The Official LOST Season Five *No Spoilers* Thread

[MushyMushy]

I'm with those of you who believe that Daniel told Charlotte something different. I'm not sure if that would have changed anything, but here's a thought... they cut away from what he was saying, and they never leave those stones unturned for long. So, IF Daniel is dead, then we just may see Charlotte turn up alive at some point and we'll get to see that scene from her point of view.

I think he's dead. I'm really hoping not, but I think he is.

 

[praline3001]

I'm with those of you who believe that Daniel told Charlotte something different. I'm not sure if that would have changed anything, but here's a thought... they cut away from what he was saying, and they never leave those stones unturned for long. So, IF Daniel is dead, then we just may see Charlotte turn up alive at some point and we'll get to see that scene from her point of view.

I think he's dead. I'm really hoping not, but I think he is.

He is dead. The writers have confirmed they let Jeremy Davies go as a regular cast member.
They did say his death is a cornerstone to what I going to happen and for the shows sake he had to die. They said to think of his death as the end of the chapter and starting the last chapter in the book will start next week.

I won't post the entire interview as it does contain some spoilers but Here is a great quote from the writers ~

"When we kill off a character we want the audience to say, ‘How dare you!,’ not, ‘It’s about time,’” explains Lindelof, who was particularly impressed with Davies' final scenes. “He has never been better than he was in 'The Variable.'"

No kidding!!!! I was soooo ticked! It could have been Juliet and I wouldn't have blinked an eye however

 

[harleyquinn]

"When we kill off a character we want the audience to say, ‘How dare you!,’ not, ‘It’s about time,’” explains Lindelof, who was particularly impressed with Davies' final scenes. “He has never been better than he was in 'The Variable.'"

No kidding!!!! I was soooo ticked! It could have been Juliet and I wouldn't have blinked an eye however

That's funny since I felt completely the opposite. Spending such a large portion of the time with him having mental issues when we'd very rarely seen him that way before really, really didn't work for me. I didn't feel anywhere near the way I felt when Charlie died, even though I was so well prepared for it.

 

[brerrabbit]

He is dead. The writers have confirmed they let Jeremy Davies go as a regular cast member.
They did say his death is a cornerstone to what I going to happen and for the shows sake he had to die. They said to think of his death as the end of the chapter and starting the last chapter in the book will start next week.

I won't post the entire interview as it does contain some spoilers but Here is a great quote from the writers ~

"When we kill off a character we want the audience to say, ‘How dare you!,’ not, ‘It’s about time,’” explains Lindelof, who was particularly impressed with Davies' final scenes. “He has never been better than he was in 'The Variable.'"

No kidding!!!! I was soooo ticked! It could have been Juliet and I wouldn't have blinked an eye however

I delve into a lot of the spoilers as well and always have to remember what to say where on these two threads (Spoilers vs No Spoilers) but even seperating the two and pretending I did not hear the what the writers said about him being dead I pretty much conceded he was dead. The thing that put me over the top was when Hawkings ( Daniels mother) was coming out of the hospital from seeing Penney and ran into Widmore. Widmore said something about Penney and not seeing her and Hawking's got mad and said don't talk to me about that because of what I had to do to my son. In otherwords she told Daniel to get on the freighter sponsored by Widmore knowing it would lead Daniel back to 1977 and back to the Hostiles camp where she would shoot, and kill him. In otherwords the Hawking of 2004 has known since 1977 that she was going to kill her son. That is where the whole what happened, happened stuff comes from in my mind. When it comes to anyone who has been on the island involved with Dharma, or the Others I find it most significant when they say they honestly don't know something. To me that is more significant then when they say what they do know. This whole thought process has me truly believing that in the writers version of time travel, you cannot change things. Hawking has known this for years and it's the reason she has the interaction with Desmond about the ring. She is a true believer in the whole process because she has made the supreme sacrifice of everyone involved. She raised a son with the full knowledge that he would die as a direct result of her younger selfs actions.

Somewhere and in someway she hoped she could change things and that was the reason she pushed Daniel so hard. She hoped that if he was smart enough, if he worked hard enough, if she pushed him enough, that he could change history. As she urged him to get on the freighter she still hoped he could be cured by the island in time for him to change things but in a way from her looks and actions she had conceeded that she was sending him to die.

As far as the backstory on Libby, it's not going to happen. Lindoff and Cuse have said as much, because since there have been so many characters and so many stories that given the impending end of the show that there is not enough time to roll up all of those stories. The bigger end game is really the island.

 

[harleyquinn]

As far as the backstory on Libby, it's not going to happen. Lindoff and Cuse have said as much, because since there have been so many characters and so many stories that given the impending end of the show that there is not enough time to roll up all of those stories. The bigger end game is really the island.

Did they specifically say Libby? I read that statement too, but I thought it was in reference to some other characters. I don't think Libby needs a whole episode, but there is somethings that can be cleared up rather easily. Plus, if I remember correctly, they brought Libby up again on the show AFTER that quote. I think we'll see the rest of her story, but it really might not be all that important.

 

[TheZue]

I'm with those of you who believe that Daniel told Charlotte something different. I'm not sure if that would have changed anything, but here's a thought... they cut away from what he was saying, and they never leave those stones unturned for long. So, IF Daniel is dead, then we just may see Charlotte turn up alive at some point and we'll get to see that scene from her point of view.

I think he's dead. I'm really hoping not, but I think he is.

What if he never said exactly what she said he did but that's how she remembered it? That's the other tricky point, you could THINK you are changing something but be avoiding what somebody remembered and not what really happened.

 

[gometros]

Sorry! I didn't mean that 'umm' to sound as condescending as I now realize it does!!

I totally don't begrudge anyone's theories! it's just a TV show. Sorry I came off all stupid! Can you forgive this crabby pregnant lady who has to do 3 storytimes today?

You're preggers? That explains everything

No offense taken.

 

[gometros]

I don't think we'll ever know that anyone is really, really dead until the series finale!

Even actors who had no further contract with the show have come back (Michael, Ana Lucia (not that either of them were brought back from the dead, per say).

My memory is failing me, when did Ana Lucia come back? A flashback or something else?

Even if it turns out some of the previous actors are not dead they don't necessarily have to "come back" only be referenced, but I guess barring availability issues, for the right situation, anyone can be brought back for one or two episodes.

 

[gometros]

Just as an FYI -- it's easy to do this if you multi-quote.

Instead of clicking the "quote" box on someone else's post, click the box right next to it, with a quotation mark and a plus sign. The plus sign changes to a minus sign, and you keep reading. Click as many as you like, then when you're done, click "reply", and all of the quotes will show up within your one post, so you can go back and answer as many as you want.

I always seem to click on a ton of posts, then end up deleting half of them because someone else already responded the way I was going to!

Thanks for that. Oddly enough, after all this time, I realized I could do that in another thread I was following. I just clicked all the posts I wanted to reply to and then clicked quote on the last post once I got to the end of the thread. The thing I hate about that though, is by the time I get to the end, I realize everyone has already said everything I wanted to say and I cancel my post

 

[Amy]

This whole thought process has me truly believing that in the writers version of time travel, you cannot change things. Hawking has known this for years and it's the reason she has the interaction with Desmond about the ring. She is a true believer in the whole process because she has made the supreme sacrifice of everyone involved. She raised a son with the full knowledge that he would die as a direct result of her younger selfs actions.

Somewhere and in someway she hoped she could change things and that was the reason she pushed Daniel so hard. She hoped that if he was smart enough, if he worked hard enough, if she pushed him enough, that he could change history. As she urged him to get on the freighter she still hoped he could be cured by the island in time for him to change things but in a way from her looks and actions she had conceeded that she was sending him to die.

AHA! See, Daniel believed that he DID find a way to change history - he had it in his notebook when he went to find Ellie in the Hostile's camp, only he didn't get to do any of it because Ellie shot him. Remember, Eloise sent him back to the island, they did the whole time-flash stuff, Daniel got on the sub and went to Ann Arbor to continue his research, coming back with (hopefully) the way to change history. So (to appease the "what happened, happened" folks) Ellie shot Daniel just like she did back in 1977. BUT THE VARIABLES, Kate and Jack, are there now. Remember that DAniel said that Jack and Kate weren't supposed to be there, so that's already something different. Jack and Kate will take DAniel's notebook and see if they can figure out what Daniel was trying to do to stop The Incident.

If it works, they'll change history. If it doesn't, then "what happened, happened" will hold up.

 

[debraW76]

What if he never said exactly what she said he did but that's how she remembered it? That's the other tricky point, you could THINK you are changing something but be avoiding what somebody remembered and not what really happened.

That hurt my brain but I think I understand what you were saying

 

[brerrabbit]

AHA! See, Daniel believed that he DID find a way to change history - he had it in his notebook when he went to find Ellie in the Hostile's camp, only he didn't get to do any of it because Ellie shot him. Remember, Eloise sent him back to the island, they did the whole time-flash stuff, Daniel got on the sub and went to Ann Arbor to continue his research, coming back with (hopefully) the way to change history. So (to appease the "what happened, happened" folks) Ellie shot Daniel just like she did back in 1977. BUT THE VARIABLES, Kate and Jack, are there now. Remember that DAniel said that Jack and Kate weren't supposed to be there, so that's already something different. Jack and Kate will take DAniel's notebook and see if they can figure out what Daniel was trying to do to stop The Incident.

If it works, they'll change history. If it doesn't, then "what happened, happened" will hold up.

The only way to stop the incident would be for Jack, Kate et al to figure out how to detonate the atom bomb within the next 6 hours becuase the incident occurs on that day. I really think that the next step is for them to figure out how to get back to the future using Daniels notebook. The time travel stuff is really played out and they have officially all given up on being members of Dharma because they have been exposed. I think by the end of the season they will be back in 2008/09 dealing with things and leaving the past unchanged. The blogger at Dark UFO that writes reviews of the show differs with my opinion greatly. Where I have actually changed from believing you can change the past to you cannot. He claims that this weeks show only proved that you can change things and the actions of Hawking, Widmore and Ben are all about making sure that things don't change. The other thing that has really surprised me is that at one point I thought the whole time travel thing was something that had been going on for a while and could be controlled. They dropped a ton of hints that by the way they show you scenes suggest that time travel was happening all the time. Example, Richard visiting a young Lock, Daniel running into Dr McCandles at the Swan station posing as a worker, etc. You think these are all examples of people traveling in time, and they are but, they are related to the same event. Ben turning the wheel and time travel is not a more common event. Many people that write and talk about the show are taking a reference from season one that the Dharma initiative was there because the world was destroying itself and they were attempting to change that by creating a time loop to keep doing it over and over again till they created a situation where the world did not destroy itself. The way things have happened I think the time travel that has occured was a fluke and it was the first time it did happen so the idea that they are looping is not right.

This show is got me going in circles trying to figure it out and I seem to be suprised every week. I sure am going to miss it when it's gone.

 

[brerrabbit]

Did they specifically say Libby? I read that statement too, but I thought it was in reference to some other characters. I don't think Libby needs a whole episode, but there is somethings that can be cleared up rather easily. Plus, if I remember correctly, they brought Libby up again on the show AFTER that quote. I think we'll see the rest of her story, but it really might not be all that important.

This is what they said about Libby, and all non central charactures in general:

Alex: One mystery that you said a month ago, in a Sky One interview, you were not going to show us is basically Libby's backstory, yet two seasons ago you basically said there was one significant missing piece from her story which is how she got from Desmond to the mental institution, and you also added that to know that answer, you had to show her story through another character's flashback. So, now that you've said that her story is done on the show, can you now tell us her missing piece and which character would you have told it through?

Carlton: Uhh, you know, again, these are not questions that we are going to answer. I think the point we were trying to make with the Libby story is that everything is graded in terms of importance for us, and, as we are doing the last season of the show, it's not going to be sort of a didactic, you know, here's a list of a thousand questions that we're going to answer. That would not make for a very entertaining show. We are focusing on what we consider to be the significant questions, and mysteries, and character relationships. That's the story that we're gonna tell. I think that the reference to Libby was more illustrative of the fact that I think, we accept the fact that in the end of the day there will, probably, you could ask a spectrum of a thousand different fans “Well what question did you not get answered?” and there might be a thousand different answers, but we are focusing on what we consider to be the main questions of the show and the main narritive. It's i! mpossible to tie up every loose end, and we don't really consider, honestly, Libby's story is incredibly tangential to the principle action on the show. For us, the focus of the final season really has to be on the main characters and what would generally be acknowledged as the most significant mysteries.

 

[harleyquinn]

You're preggers? That explains everything
No offense taken.

Yep, see my ticker? Pregnant and crazy, that's me!

My memory is failing me, when did Ana Lucia come back? A flashback or something else?

Even if it turns out some of the previous actors are not dead they don't necessarily have to "come back" only be referenced, but I guess barring availability issues, for the right situation, anyone can be brought back for one or two episodes.

She appeared to Hugo when he was fleeing the police in 2007...remember she pulled him over as a cop, while Sayid was knocked out?

This is what they said about Libby, and all non central charactures in general:

Alex: One mystery that you said a month ago, in a Sky One interview, you were not going to show us is basically Libby's backstory, yet two seasons ago you basically said there was one significant missing piece from her story which is how she got from Desmond to the mental institution, and you also added that to know that answer, you had to show her story through another character's flashback. So, now that you've said that her story is done on the show, can you now tell us her missing piece and which character would you have told it through?

Carlton: Uhh, you know, again, these are not questions that we are going to answer. I think the point we were trying to make with the Libby story is that everything is graded in terms of importance for us, and, as we are doing the last season of the show, it's not going to be sort of a didactic, you know, here's a list of a thousand questions that we're going to answer. That would not make for a very entertaining show. We are focusing on what we consider to be the significant questions, and mysteries, and character relationships. That's the story that we're gonna tell. I think that the reference to Libby was more illustrative of the fact that I think, we accept the fact that in the end of the day there will, probably, you could ask a spectrum of a thousand different fans “Well what question did you not get answered?” and there might be a thousand different answers, but we are focusing on what we consider to be the main questions of the show and the main narritive. It's i! mpossible to tie up every loose end, and we don't really consider, honestly, Libby's story is incredibly tangential to the principle action on the show. For us, the focus of the final season really has to be on the main characters and what would generally be acknowledged as the most significant mysteries.

Thank you for pulling that up! She's the only non-main character I can think of that could use any kind of explaination, but I guess we won't get it.

 

[Straitlover]

Hey, I found out what happened to Rose. She was on Southland on NBC last night! She was playing Regina King's character's mother.

That's a pretty good show, except for all the bleeping.

 

[GoodFairies]

Just wanted to point out that Fionnula Flanagan wasn't evil in The Others.

Also, isn't it strange how Daniel has an English father and an Irish mother and an American accent?

I thought it seemed clear he died last night, he did that cliche tv death look.

As far as whether Daniel's conversation continued with Charlotte or not, I am unable to tell from that scene either way.

I was wondering how Desmond went from being shot, to being okay enough to wail on Ben, to getting rushed to the hospital. I don't remember how that turned out a couple weeks ok but I thought Desmond was fine.

 

[DisneyMissy318]

Yes it does make sense to me and would SO interesting if that's how it plays out. I think it would be a hoot to see them all in the finale but like a PP mentioned - those actors aren't part of the cast anymore; AND they'd have to bring back alot of them: Charlie, Boone, Shannon, AnaLucia, Libby, Eko - I guess pretty much anyone who died in the first two seasons, right?

It really is all so confusing and fascinating at the same time. I don't always understand what I'm watching but I LOVE watching it!

Is it possible that they filmed the series final episode at the beginning - when all of the actors WERE still (1) younger and (2) still under contract? Would something like that be able to stay a secret for all of these years?

 

[chell]

Still haven't seen much about this new group of people - who are they?

 

[MouseMomx2]

Just wanted to point out that Fionnula Flanagan wasn't evil in The Others.

I was going to post the same thing. The story initially makes you think she is evil, but she isn't.

 

[gometros]

She appeared to Hugo when he was fleeing the police in 2007...remember she pulled him over as a cop, while Sayid was knocked out?

Thanks for that reminder. I don't know how I could have forgotten that.