The Official LOST Season Five *No Spoilers* Thread

[brerrabbit]

While maybe not identical the three canoes are all of the same design, they are outrigger canoes which are widely used by people all over the Pacific Islands. At his point I think there are just way to many clues that point to the Aijira survivors being on the island with the Hydra Station.

 

[harleyquinn]

While maybe not identical the three canoes are all of the same design, they are outrigger canoes which are widely used by people all over the Pacific Islands. At his point I think there are just way to many clues that point to the Aijira survivors being on the island with the Hydra Station.

I agree with you there, but I don't think Kate's canoe is a part of it. but it stands to reason if they had canoes like the one Kate/Sawyer took, that they had bigger ones too. They are definitely at the Hydra.

 

[lg3]

Didn't Ben tell Locke that whoever moves the island can never go back? Or was that another one of Ben's lies? Another poster said that perhaps Ben is with the other flight 316 passengers because the island is done with him.

Yes - Assuming it wasn't one of his lies.

I know it was announced that a new female character had joined the cast - I thought it was the cop accompanying Sayid; maybe it's the woman in the boat with Frank and we haven't met her yet.

I hadn't heard about a new female character being introduced. (trying not to look at too many sites - did that last season and didn't end up enjoying it as much, but of course I was less confused. ) I think the woman on the plane escorting Sayid (Alana?)looks way too much like Ana Lucia. That in itself confuses me.

Frank was flying the plane, but was there a co-pilot on board?

If so they didn't mention or show one - I remember when they showed Frank coming back to see Jack on the plane, they didn't show an open cockpit door.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see why Alana and Cesar (sp?) from 316 are all so calm and obviously comfortable on the island they just crashed into. No panic or anything. Perhaps time has passed since they crashed and then her having the morning conversation with Locke on the beach? Also, what exactly are they searching for? Cesar didn't seem surprised to find the laboratory/science station at all.

 

[harleyquinn]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see why Alana and Cesar (sp?) from 316 are all so calm and obviously comfortable on the island they just crashed into. No panic or anything. Perhaps time has passed since they crashed and then her having the morning conversation with Locke on the beach? Also, what exactly are they searching for? Cesar didn't seem surprised to find the laboratory/science station at all.

Yeah, that bugged me too. Makes you feel like they knew this was going to happen. I bet they work for Widmore.

 

[karajeboo]

Yeah, that bugged me too. Makes you feel like they knew this was going to happen. I bet they work for Widmore.

But then why did Cesar ask Locke about Hurley not being surprised when the plane started shaking? It IS weird that they seem so calm though. Cesar looked like he was looking for something very specific in that office.

 

[karajeboo]

Oh, and what did he put in his bag that he hid from Alana?

 

[Heidict]

Couple of questions I had last night.

1- Locke lands in the hospital after his car accident. I’m not sure how long he had been back, but I’m assuming that it would have been within a month or so since he was still in a cast and using a wheelchair. Yet, when he wakes up in the hospital bed, there is Jack, in his lab coat at the hospital he works at.

I thought Jack was suspended due to drug and alcohol issues. How long was the alcohol issue going on? Had he just not been suspended at that time?

2- How long from the time he got out of the hospital to the time he died? Days? Maybe a week or so? I can’t see Jack going downhill into a drug and alcohol induced existence, breaking up with Kate, getting suspended from the hospital, hooking up with Ben and getting clean all in the matter of a week or so. The timing of all of this is just not making sense.

Yeah, that bugged me too. Makes you feel like they knew this was going to happen. I bet they work for Widmore.

Yeah, I'm thinking they, or at least Caesar have to have some connection.

Oh, and what did he put in his bag that he hid from Alana?

It looked like a double barrel sawed off shotgun.

 

[karajeboo]

Couple of questions I had last night.

1- Locke lands in the hospital after his car accident. I’m not sure how long he had been back, but I’m assuming that it would have been within a month or so since he was still in a cast and using a wheelchair. Yet, when he wakes up in the hospital bed, there is Jack, in his lab coat at the hospital he works at.

I thought Jack was suspended due to drug and alcohol issues. How long was the alcohol issue going on? Had he just not been suspended at that time?

2- How long from the time he got out of the hospital to the time he died? Days? Maybe a week or so? I can’t see Jack going downhill into a drug and alcohol induced existence, breaking up with Kate, getting suspended from the hospital, hooking up with Ben and getting clean all in the matter of a week or so. The timing of all of this is just not making sense.

I was thinking the same thing. Jack seemed to be fine. And the house where Kate was when John went to see her looked like the same house she shared with Jack. Was that her place or his??? If it was his, then they were still together then.

So in the season finale when Jack meets Kate at the airport, is that AFTER Locke goes to see Jack? Yes, because it's after he sees the obituary, right? You are so right, because Jack has to go to the funeral home within a couple of days of Locke dying, right? And he's a mess when he goes there. And Kate is gone. This is messed up!!!!

 

[harleyquinn]

But then why did Cesar ask Locke about Hurley not being surprised when the plane started shaking? It IS weird that they seem so calm though. Cesar looked like he was looking for something very specific in that office.

I don't know about you, but if my plane was doing that, I probably wouldn't be so focused and clear about what other passengers are doing--I would notice them disappear, but to say Hugo wasn't surprised was pushing it.

Couple of questions I had last night.

1- Locke lands in the hospital after his car accident. I’m not sure how long he had been back, but I’m assuming that it would have been within a month or so since he was still in a cast and using a wheelchair. Yet, when he wakes up in the hospital bed, there is Jack, in his lab coat at the hospital he works at.

I thought Jack was suspended due to drug and alcohol issues. How long was the alcohol issue going on? Had he just not been suspended at that time?

2- How long from the time he got out of the hospital to the time he died? Days? Maybe a week or so? I can’t see Jack going downhill into a drug and alcohol induced existence, breaking up with Kate, getting suspended from the hospital, hooking up with Ben and getting clean all in the matter of a week or so. The timing of all of this is just not making sense.

Well, I commented to DH that Jack was obviously already on the path to the alcohol abuse. I thought seeing John was what sparked it for him, but last night it was clear that he was already having issues, but I can't remember the timeline either. I vaguely remember him getting suspended after he sees John, but before the funeral? So what made him all unhappy before that? Visiting Hugo? But didn't he visit Hugo after Locke had been to see Hugo? I think I need to rewatch some things! lol

 

[Camster0307]

Well, I commented to DH that Jack was obviously already on the path to the alcohol abuse. I thought seeing John was what sparked it for him, but last night it was clear that he was already having issues, but I can't remember the timeline either. I vaguely remember him getting suspended after he sees John, but before the funeral? So what made him all unhappy before that? Visiting Hugo? But didn't he visit Hugo after Locke had been to see Hugo? I think I need to rewatch some things! lol

Didn't Jack start going on his bender when the visions of his father started appearing to him when he was at work? He was living with Kate then, wasn't he? And that was before Locke had come to see him. I'm pretty sure Kate and Jack had already broken up because I thought there was a scene where Jack had asked Kate when did John came to visit her.

Or do I completely have my seasons mixed up?

 

[debraW76]

Why did Ben kill Locke after he heard Hawkin's name??

Ben said we will get the 6 together and I dont know what we'll do after that but we will figure something out. Then Locke said "I know, we are suppose to see Eloise Hawkings". That is when Ben's demeanor changed and he killed Locke. So Ben needed that information on where to go. As soon as he got the name he no longer had a need for Locke.

I knew we'd see that guy (at the airport, who spoke to Jack) again. Just didn't think it'd be so soon.

So, what the heck happened on that plane? Why did Hurley, Jack, Kate, Sun and Sayid just disappear while the rest of the plane just crashed and Locke and Ben are with them but the rest (Jack Kate etc...) are elsewhere????

Why does Locke seem 'alive'? Is he? If he really is alive then is Jack's dad? Claire?

Who is the evil one, Ben or Witmore? I'm thinking either it's Ben or it's both of them.

Ceasar was the guy's name.

I'm a little confused about him being alive (or is he) on the island. The producers have said that if someone dies, they're really dead. But did they mean if they die on the island? I don't know if they made that distinction or not.

I think they showed us Locke eating the mango for a reason. We haven't seen Christian, Claire, or any other 'dead' people eat or even touch another human. This shows a difference between Locke and them. We know that smokie can manifest itself in human form (remember Eco's brother?). It is possible that Christian and Claire are manifestations of the smoke monster. Locke is the islands leader and the island still needs Locke. Therefore the island let him die for a period of time to be resurrected as their leader?

I had some more thought about last night's show; let me know what you guys think about this:

- ok, so flight 316 crashes, the Oceanic 6 flash back to the 1970's and the rest of the plane and passengers are on the beach at the "present" time. So why did Alanna and that other guy know where to find an office and what were they looking for?

- and we're assuming since we saw that Jack, Kate and Hurley flashed back to the 1970's, but we haven't seen Sun - can we assume Sun flashed back with them since she was one of the Oceanic 6? But Locke and Ben didn't flash back, they seem to be on the island in the present time.

- after the crash when Locke was staring into the ocean and that deputy woman (Alanna??) was talking to him, she said that the pilot and "a woman" took one of those outrigger canoes. DH and I assumed that the "woman" was one of the flight attendants. If so, why didn't Alanna say "the pilot and a flight attendant" took the canoe? So "woman" has to be another passenger. Can't be Sun since she's one of the Oceanic 6 and would have flashed back to the 1970's where Jack, Hurley and Kate are. It has to be another female passenger on the plane, someone who sat back in coach and we didn't see……what about Penny? Maybe she and Desmond (I'm hoping Desmond is still alive and Ben didn't kill him) got on the plane after all, and maybe Penny couldn't find Desmond after the crash, so she and Frank Lapidus took the canoe to look for him?

- I thought maybe that woman who went in the canoe could also be Eloise Hawkings, that she got on the plane for some reason, but the more I thought about it, it seems like she's the one who stays in the "real" world and coordinates things with the island.

- Eloise Hawkings is bothering me. She obviously knows and works with Widmore (Widmore was financing Daniel's research, Widmore knew exactly where she was since he gave Desmond her address) and she obviously knows and works with Ben. Why is she playing both sides? Does SHE know which one, Ben or Widmore, is the good guy? Or…..is she working to help THE ISLAND, and figures that the feud between Ben and Widmore is just some side story and she doesn't really care which one of Ben or Widmore "wins" their fight as long as she saves the island?

- Maybe Eloise Hawkings is Jacob!!

How about this: Eloise is Daniel's mother. I think Widmore is his dad.

I can't decide either if Ben or Widmore is the good guy. Neither seem to be saints. Maybe it is just who is lesser evil?

I think either Widmore is the real bad guy--or that they BOTH are bad guys and the island wants John now, but they will both try and take back over. The writers tried very hard to make you like Widmore and hate Ben in this episode, which bugs me...But this begs the question, Widmore knew how to get back on the island--or that the O6 were going to try, so why didn't he go too? Why isn't he obsessed with getting on the island? He sent people to take it over, but didn't come himself?

So maybe they take the canoes to the other island and leave them there and thats when the jump happened.

My big questions come from the scene with Walt. Why is Walt dreaming about John? Why didn't anyone tell the kid that his father is dead?! None of the O6 saught him out?! I find that kinda strange. I can see them staying away in the beginning while the lie was fresh, but it's been 3 years, you would think one of them came to talk to him...

Widmore was looking for the island right? I dont understand if he was searching for the island why he sent his man Matthew to make sure Locke was on the island. Why didn't Widmore just get on flight 815 if he was looking for the island himself? Maybe he couldn't return to the island until Ben was dead?

Walt did go to Hurley and ask why no one came to see him. With all the time flashes and such I am confused when this happened but I do remember seeing that.

 

[Amy]

Oh, and what did he put in his bag that he hid from Alana?

I don't know if some papers fell on the floor or what, but Cesar was looking at some papers while squatting on the floor; he happened to glance over to the desk and saw something underneath and grabbed it. It was a shotgun; he was putting it in his bag when Alanna came in and asked what he put in his bag and he gave her his flashlight instead.

So.....even though it looks like both Cesar and Alanna are working together (and working for Widmore? Ben? someone else?), it also looks like they don't trust each other.

 

[Camster0307]

Walt did go to Hurley and ask why no one came to see him. With all the time flashes and such I am confused when this happened but I do remember seeing that.

Oh - and Locke had that vision of Walt back on the island - when Ben had shot him and dumped him in the pit of Dharma skeletons. (remember when Locke told everyone he had seen Walt, but he was bigger; Sawyer responded" "you mean like a giant?" ) And that was supposed to be long after Michael and Walt had already left the island; yet it was never explained why Locke was seeing Walt in his vision.

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced they can't be done with the Walt character. I think he will play into this much more somewhere down the road.

 

[goofy's friends]

I got the impression that it was Kate's house and assumed that Kate and Jack were broken up. Jack hadn't heard about John's visit to Kate cuz he was surprised to see him.

As far as the canoes, remember that Sawyer found a bottle from the plane so the canoe that they took could be the one that was taken by Frank and the girl (who I assumed was Sun, but why didn't she jump?) I do think they are on the small island.

Why isn't Sayid's escort concerned about where Sayid is--another hint that she may know what is going on. Maybe Ben planted her and the guy with a forewarning that this would happen and what to do when they got there. I originally thought that the guy was the secret marshall (don't they put them on every flight?). I seemed like he was suprised it was all happening, but they he and Sayid's escort seem to be working together.

I think Hurley pulling down his sleeping mask was a shocking enough reaction that anyone would take notice of his calm!

I'm going back and forth on Ben/Widmore being the good guy/bad guy. Eloise is certainly working with both of them......

 

[debraW76]

Oh - and Locke had that vision of Walt back on the island - when Ben had shot him and dumped him in the pit of Dharma skeletons. (remember when Locke told everyone he had seen Walt, but he was bigger; Sawyer responded" "you mean like a giant?" ) And that was supposed to be long after Michael and Walt had already left the island; yet it was never explained why Locke was seeing Walt in his vision.

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced they can't be done with the Walt character. I think he will play into this much more somewhere down the road.

Maybe Locke is Walt's real daddy?

 

[harleyquinn]

Didn't Jack start going on his bender when the visions of his father started appearing to him when he was at work? He was living with Kate then, wasn't he? And that was before Locke had come to see him. I'm pretty sure Kate and Jack had already broken up because I thought there was a scene where Jack had asked Kate when did John came to visit her.

Or do I completely have my seasons mixed up?

No, that sounds right and makes sense. I completely forgot about the visits from Christian--no wonder Jack believed Locke and looked so freaked out last night! I guess the part that matters was when was he suspended...

Walt did go to Hurley and ask why no one came to see him. With all the time flashes and such I am confused when this happened but I do remember seeing that.

I very vaguely remember that. Thanks!

 

[Sk8Leigh]

It would really stink if Sun is with the other 316 survivors in the present and Jin is back in the 1970's and they're both on the same island but separated by time. THen again, that's just the kind of things Damon and Carlton will do to us!

That's what I'm assuming will happen. Oh, the irony.

 

[1LuckyMom]

I went back and rewatched. Had to pause and slo-mo a few times. Here are some interesting things I caught and new questions..aren't there always new questions! I love a show that makes you think!

When Cesear is in the hydra station (the file clearly has a six headed snake on it later on in the show when he talks to Locke) the Life mag has the date April 19,1954 - not sure if that means anything although it does have some of the "evil" numbers. Cesear breaks into the file cabinet and takes out a file. The papers he looks at are a map of the islands (you can make out the swan station marker) and another paper that seems to mark the movements of the island (with the arrows marked "space time" and "real time"). Seems to me as if he knew to go looking for these...he's got to be working for someone!

Widmore says to John that he was "exiled by him just as you were". This makes me think that he might be talking about Jacob or Christian, not Ben.

Also, if Widmore was watching Tunisia because that is the return spot, how come he didn't see Ben return?

How does John know about Michael being on the freighter?

Someone (Cesear, I think) tells John the pilot took the passenger list with him when he left. Why?

In the trailer for next week Sun is definately with Ben.

 

[Jenvenza]

Great episode!! My Dh was asking me why I thought Ben talked John down just to end up killing him and I think it was because he got the information he needed from John and then wanted him gone - this isnt the first time Ben has tried to kill him. I think he is threatened by him and maybe thought that by getting rid of John after he found out how to get back to the island, then he could go back and lead again. I didnt seem like he had any idea John would be coming back to life when he left the room and told him that he really would miss him.

I also softened with Whidmore last night. I believe him when he said Ben exhiled him after he lead his people for three decades. That just seems like something Ben would do!

My question is if it was Frank and Sun - or even Frank and someone else who left on the boat, were they the ones shooting at Sawyer and the rest of the people? And why would they do that and where would they have gotten the guns from?

I cannot wait to see Kate and Sawyer next week!

 

[debraW76]

To answer some of the time-related questions. On Lostpedia they have a timeline.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline:2005_and_beyond

It is clear now about Jack's alcohol/drug problem. He was drinking and drugging the whole time. But what pushed him over the edge and caused him to lose his liscense was when he tried to jump off the bridge after he had talked to Locke (Bentham). That's when he made the comment about "see who is drunker, me or my dad".

I'm still thinking that Sun is in the 70's with the other O6. It just doesn't make sense to take some and not all of the O6. I think that next episode they figure out how to get everyone back in the same time and that is why she is with Ben.

I cant wait for the Jin - Sun reunion