The Official LOST Season Five *No Spoilers* Thread

[karajeboo]

Anyone else really said that Charlotte died? I feel so bad for Daniel. He really loved her. I was hoping her last words would have been "I love you too" or something to that effect. Instead she comes out with something about chocolate!!!

I said to DH when that happened, "how cool to die and your last thought is chocolate."

I don't think that Daniel and Charlotte are brother/sister because a couple episodes ago when they were in the 1950's he said he was madly in love with her.

Not if they don't KNOW they are related?

I agree with ya, and I think my last post explains the different pics a little. I think they are from 2 seperate visits by different people. Maybe Jacob is a different person to different people.

But I think if the Christian pic was from Locke's visit, which I'm pretty sure it was, because when I saw the Christian still shortly after, I remember thinking, "why the heck are they bringing that guy back into this?" If that's true then "Jacob" showed up to Locke as Christian again...

This makes a lot of sense too! Just like Charlie coming back to Hurley - he was real but only to Hurley. And the idea of Jacob not helping Locke get up - maybe because Locke had to do it all himself.

Was this the thread I posted on about Ben's carpet van? The name of the company was an anagram for reincarnation...

See? There is just soooo much to keep up with! This show is nuts but I can't stay away!

What ever happened to Michael? Did he die on the freighter? Why did they bring him back just to have him blow up again? Was his role on the freighter that important that he needed to come back? Or is he still around somewhere too?

 

[gometros]

I thought last season Jin figured out she understood Korean and called her on it Anyone else remember the specifics?

I don't recall the specifics, but we definitely knew Charlotte spoke Korean before last night.

 

[LuvBaloo]

I thought last season Jin figured out she understood Korean and called her on it Anyone else remember the specifics?

The way I remember it, Jin figured it out because Charlotte was paying attention to Sun and Jin talking. He called her on it, and told her she had to get Sun off the island.

Last night, I completely missed that the 2 dead bodies on the beach that Jin saw were Robert copies. I just though they were 2 of the 3 guys that went down the hole. I did think it was interesting that Jin saved Danielle, if he hadn't been there, she would have gone down the hole with her companions. So does that make the whole time-travel situation inevitable? If they hadn't reached this time travel thing, then Jin wouldn't have been there to save Danielle, so Ben wouldn't have ended up with Alex, so Ben wouldn't have killed the mercenary leader and the ship wouldn't have blown up, and Jin would have gotten off the island. or am I just way overthinking this.

 

[debraW76]

Last night, I completely missed that the 2 dead bodies on the beach that Jin saw were Robert copies. I just though they were 2 of the 3 guys that went down the hole. I did think it was interesting that Jin saved Danielle, if he hadn't been there, she would have gone down the hole with her companions. So does that make the whole time-travel situation inevitable? If they hadn't reached this time travel thing, then Jin wouldn't have been there to save Danielle, so Ben wouldn't have ended up with Alex, so Ben wouldn't have killed the mercenary leader and the ship wouldn't have blown up, and Jin would have gotten off the island. or am I just way overthinking this.

I didn't catch that either until someone else here pointed it out.

and for the rest... Hmmmmmmm

 

[Kycha]

Last night, I completely missed that the 2 dead bodies on the beach that Jin saw were Robert copies. I just though they were 2 of the 3 guys that went down the hole.

See, I'm not convinced that the 2 bodies on the beach were Robert copies. I just think it was the other 2 men in their party. If they were Robert copies, I think there would have been a bigger deal made about it...having the camera linger on there faces or something.

 

[debraW76]

See, I'm not convinced that the 2 bodies on the beach were Robert copies. I just think it was the other 2 men in their party. If they were Robert copies, I think there would have been a bigger deal made about it...having the camera linger on there faces or something.

OK Thats it. I am rewatching as soon as I get home today.

 

[MouseMomx2]

Everyone keeps wondering who Jacob is, but I think we should be asking what he is. After last night I am convinced that Jacob is the smoke monster (along with Christian, Claire, Eko's brother, Kate's horse, Danielle's group members, Ben's mother, etc.) as it is now clear that Smokey can impersonate human beings. I am also wondering if Richard Alpert is a manifestation of Smokey.

Going with this theory, what is Smokey's goal? With Danielle's group members, it seemed like there was a sinister motive, as it tried to lure them down into it's lair and, later, Robert tried to kill her. If Jacob is Smokey the it is clear that Smokey is the "being" calling all of the shots on the island. I'm just thinking out loud here, but I really believe that Smokey is much more important in the Lost mythology than previously thought.


Oh, and as another poster mentioned, Jin realized that Charlotte understood his and Sun's conversation in Korean when they were at the medical station. Sun said something about Daniel liking Charlotte and it was clear that Charlotte understood. Later, back at the beach, Jin confronted Charlotte and spoke to her in Korean. She pretended to not understand him. He told her , again in Korean, that she needed to guarantee that Sun would make it off the island or he would make it very unpleasant for her. She nodded, indicating that she did understand him.

 

[Camster0307]

See, I'm not convinced that the 2 bodies on the beach were Robert copies. I just think it was the other 2 men in their party. If they were Robert copies, I think there would have been a bigger deal made about it...having the camera linger on there faces or something.

That's what I thought too.

And the other thing we haven't discussed from last night: when Charlotte said she was taken off the island by her mother when she was younger, a very scary man told them never to come back - and the scary man was Daniel! What the heck is that all about? So Charlotte has seen Daniel before on the island and she's just mentioning on her death bed?

 

[debraW76]

That's what I thought too.

And the other thing we haven't discussed from last night: when Charlotte said she was taken off the island by her mother when she was younger, a very scary man told them never to come back - and the scary man was Daniel! What the heck is that all about? So Charlotte has seen Daniel before on the island and she's just mentioning on her death bed?

That's right. She did say scary man. She was a little girl and he was a man. Plus we have seen Daniel constructing one of the stations so he must have time travelled before or after. Plus he has that weird journal and refers to it as if he doesn't even remember every where (or when) he has been.

 

[debraW76]

And I have to ask...
Who else was doing this when Jin hugged Sawyer ?

 

[Kycha]

Going with this theory, what is Smokey's goal? With Danielle's group members, it seemed like there was a sinister motive, as it tried to lure them down into it's lair and, later, Robert tried to kill her. If Jacob is Smokey the it is clear that Smokey is the "being" calling all of the shots on the island. I'm just thinking out loud here, but I really believe that Smokey is much more important in the Lost mythology than previously thought.

Oh, I agree that Smokey is more important. It is much more than just a security system. And if you remember back to season 1, Locke was out hunting for boar with Kate when the monster appeared to attack him(I don't think we ever saw Smokey, but heard him). It was after that that Locke started talking about the island as if it's a person. Then, in season 2, when Locke and crew went looking for the black rock. He was grabbed by Smokey and almost taken down in his hole. Locke wanted Jack to let him go. There is definitely some sort of relationship between the island, the smoke monster and Locke.


Here, I found photos of the 2 bodies on the beach and Robert. While they do look similar in appearance, they are definitely not the same guy. They aren't even wearing the same clothes.

 

[rascalmom]

Oh, I agree that Smokey is more important. It is much more than just a security system. And if you remember back to season 1, Locke was out hunting for boar with Kate when the monster appeared to attack him(I don't think we ever saw Smokey, but heard him). It was after that that Locke started talking about the island as if it's a person. Then, in season 2, when Locke and crew went looking for the black rock. He was grabbed by Smokey and almost taken down in his hole. Locke wanted Jack to let him go. There is definitely some sort of relationship between the island, the smoke monster and Locke.


Here, I found photos of the 2 bodies on the beach and Robert. While they do look similar in appearance, they are definitely not the same guy. They aren't even wearing the same clothes.

Hmmm - body 1 and body 2 from your pictures look like the same guy to me. The clothes being different - well, maybe when they are "manifested" they had a change of outfits before Danielle shot them?

As far as the standing guy not being the same - I still think it could be....the facial features are very similar and so is the beard. I don't remember what the other members of the party looked like - I'm going to have to re-watch!

 

[Camster0307]

And I have to ask...
Who else was doing this when Jin hugged Sawyer ?

The "Awwww" moment of the night! (there's one every week!)

 

[Camster0307]

Hmmm - body 1 and body 2 from your pictures look like the same guy to me. The clothes being different - well, maybe when they are "manifested" they had a change of outfits before Danielle shot them?

As far as the standing guy not being the same - I still think it could be....the facial features are very similar and so is the beard. I don't remember what the other members of the party looked like - I'm going to have to re-watch!

Well there was a blond guy; but he was the first one that got attacked by Smokey and pulled in the hole (whose arm was ripped off - how lovely was that?) I do remember one of the other guys had dark hair, cute, carrying a guitar. I would think all of them would beards, wouldn't they though, because they've been stuck on the island?

 

[debraW76]

I am not convinced either way so I resized those photos. I am by no means a photoshop expert so if anyone can do it without the bluriness please do so.

 

[debraW76]

And my husband just sent me this link of a picture with all of ruso's research gang. There were def 3 brown headed guys

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:5x04_Science_expedition.jpg#filelinks

 

[beattyfamily]

They are not the same person. IMHO.

 

[Kycha]

Hmmm - body 1 and body 2 from your pictures look like the same guy to me. The clothes being different - well, maybe when they are "manifested" they had a change of outfits before Danielle shot them?

I doubt they had thought to bring other clothes with them.

This is Robert. First picture is from outside the temple when smoke monster took the other guy under ground. The second picture is a couple months later, on the beach before Danielle killed him. Notice he is wearing the same clothes.

This is Brennan. Notice the same green t shirt.
Here he is alive.

Now dead.

And this is Lacombe. Again, notice he is wearing the same collared shirt.

Here he is alive.

Now dead.

 

[karajeboo]

That's right. She did say scary man. She was a little girl and he was a man. Plus we have seen Daniel constructing one of the stations so he must have time travelled before or after. Plus he has that weird journal and refers to it as if he doesn't even remember every where (or when) he has been.

That's right! I had forgotten about him working on the construction of the station! So how would he be a "scary" man?

 

[Kycha]

And my husband just sent me this link of a picture with all of ruso's research gang. There were def 3 brown headed guys

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:5x04_Science_expedition.jpg#filelinks

Thanks for that link. I was looking for a picture like that. From left to right it is Montand, Robert(kneeling), Nadine, Brennan, Danielle(kneeling) and Lacombe.