The Official 2013 Wine and Dine Half Marathon Thread

I ran a local half marathon yesterday and it was probably the worst race I've run yet. :sad2: So many things went wrong...some were my fault, some weren't (course crowding, weather). Anyway, after thinking about it for a bit I thought I'd share what I learned here. Don't make the same mistakes I did!

1. Don't underestimate the importance of hydrating in the days leading up to the race. Normally I am really good about this, but for whatever reason this time I drank barely any water last week, and I felt it yesterday. My legs felt like lead. It was awful. A big part of my problem was pretty intense stomach issues throughout the race, and I think being hydrated would have helped with this too.

2. Don't slack on strength training and rolling with a foam roller/The Stick. I used to have IT Band issues, but last year I got them under control thanks to regular strength training (specifically squats...not even using weights, just squatting down and coming back up with my body weight and adding a jump at the end) and rolling my IT Bands. I fell off the wagon and it didn't bother me at all until this race yesterday. It was bad enough that I had to stop and stretch out more than once.

3. Recognize when it's just not a good run and adjust expectations accordingly. I came into this race with a very specific goal time that was ambitious but definitely achievable for me. I realized very early on in the race that the run wasn't going well, and rather than readjust my goal to something more realistic, I stubbornly kept try to hold on to achieving that original goal time. As a result I finished discouraged and disappointed, and spent the rest of the day yesterday sulking and feeling sorry for myself.


And that's my sob story. It was a good learning experience, I guess. And as my husband said yesterday, even though it was a bad run, I still finished. So I guess that's something! ::yes::

Thanks for all of the tips. Those are all very practical expectations to keep in mind during a race. How many half-marathons are you running before W&D? I think you mentioned another one a month before the Disney race?
 
Thanks for all of the tips. Those are all very practical expectations to keep in mind during a race. How many half-marathons are you running before W&D? I think you mentioned another one a month before the Disney race?

Yep, one other half marathon on October 6. It's the inaugural Rock & Roll half in Cleveland and I signed up 7 months ago or something because it was super cheap. That was before Wine & Dine came into the picture! :thumbsup2
 
Yep, one other half marathon on October 6. It's the inaugural Rock & Roll half in Cleveland and I signed up 7 months ago or something because it was super cheap. That was before Wine & Dine came into the picture! :thumbsup2

Awesome! I've heard so many great things about the Rock & Roll series of races. Would love to do one, eventually. Right now, we choose bigger races where we will have babysitters available :). The next half I am angling to do is either Tinkerbell in 2015 or Disneyland Half in 2014.
 
Wow, sounds like some of us had good and bad weekends, but since we are not in 'official' training for W&D yet, we can cut ourselves some slack. ;)

Ariel, thanks for the tips! They will really come in handy. And no sob stories, you were out there and you finished, that is all that counts. Your husband is correct, You did it! ;)

pix13dust, peachygreen and smileyk8 great jobs on the runs.

Capeseal, no worries, we are not in 'official' training mode...yet :lmao:

I did a 8M on Saturday and a 10K on Sunday. they were both great races. I am more in training mode because I have my first 1/2 in less than 3 weeks, and can't wait actually. I will have one more in September. Going to be hard training through the summer :crazy2:
 

Ariel484 said:
I ran a local half marathon yesterday and it was probably the worst race I've run yet. :sad2: So many things went wrong...some were my fault, some weren't (course crowding, weather). Anyway, after thinking about it for a bit I thought I'd share what I learned here. Don't make the same mistakes I did!

1. Don't underestimate the importance of hydrating in the days leading up to the race. Normally I am really good about this, but for whatever reason this time I drank barely any water last week, and I felt it yesterday. My legs felt like lead. It was awful. A big part of my problem was pretty intense stomach issues throughout the race, and I think being hydrated would have helped with this too.

2. Don't slack on strength training and rolling with a foam roller/The Stick. I used to have IT Band issues, but last year I got them under control thanks to regular strength training (specifically squats...not even using weights, just squatting down and coming back up with my body weight and adding a jump at the end) and rolling my IT Bands. I fell off the wagon and it didn't bother me at all until this race yesterday. It was bad enough that I had to stop and stretch out more than once.

3. Recognize when it's just not a good run and adjust expectations accordingly. I came into this race with a very specific goal time that was ambitious but definitely achievable for me. I realized very early on in the race that the run wasn't going well, and rather than readjust my goal to something more realistic, I stubbornly kept try to hold on to achieving that original goal time. As a result I finished discouraged and disappointed, and spent the rest of the day yesterday sulking and feeling sorry for myself.

And that's my sob story. It was a good learning experience, I guess. And as my husband said yesterday, even though it was a bad run, I still finished. So I guess that's something! ::yes::

How was the weather and course? I had heard mixed reviews before but all I could find was old info so I wasn't sure if it was still accurate. I would think it would be fun to run by the lake if u could see it. I was going to run the 10k just to try toget a good time for signing up for princess and tink. I heard the 10k doesn't get a medal- any truth to that?
 
In terms of tips for longer races, do you guys carry energy gels? For ToT, I only stopped for water. I made sure to hit every station except the first, but was forcing myself to do it. I was pretty depleted at the end and got sick on my post-race snack box. (What I was willing to eat, which wasn't much since I was feeling so tired and sick after running in the heat/humidity.) I'm wondering if I can power through a half without bringing anything with me or should I learn to like the gel snacks to get me through the final miles? Also, I can't stand Gatorade, but I am guessing I should go for that a couple of times during this race?
 
Just an FYI... this morning I submitted a 10K time from the weekend via e-mail and received a confirmation back with an updated registration just a few hours later. Very prompt! Now I need a half-marathon time to submit for the WDW Marathon in January...
 
Just an FYI... this morning I submitted a 10K time from the weekend via e-mail and received a confirmation back with an updated registration just a few hours later. Very prompt! Now I need a half-marathon time to submit for the WDW Marathon in January...

Thanks for the info. I haven't submitted my 10k time yet and was wondering how it would work. I should get that in. ;)
 
In terms of tips for longer races, do you guys carry energy gels? For ToT, I only stopped for water. I made sure to hit every station except the first, but was forcing myself to do it. I was pretty depleted at the end and got sick on my post-race snack box. (What I was willing to eat, which wasn't much since I was feeling so tired and sick after running in the heat/humidity.) I'm wondering if I can power through a half without bringing anything with me or should I learn to like the gel snacks to get me through the final miles? Also, I can't stand Gatorade, but I am guessing I should go for that a couple of times during this race?

Try something else - we do cliff shot blocks as I can't stand consistency of Gu or gels. You can also even do things like small packs of gummy bears or skittles like my hubby does. Find what works for you. But after running out of fuel last year, I would be first to recommend you take some fuel to have during race. I had the shot blocks, but not enough.
 
ETA: OMG...I didn't mean to write a novel below...:rotfl2: Oops!

Awesome! I've heard so many great things about the Rock & Roll series of races. Would love to do one, eventually. Right now, we choose bigger races where we will have babysitters available :). The next half I am angling to do is either Tinkerbell in 2015 or Disneyland Half in 2014.
I've heard good and bad things...and most of the bad things I have heard were about the inaugural races, and of course the one I am doing is inaugural. :eek: We'll see! I have heard that the medals are excellent so I'm looking forward to that, for sure.
Ariel, thanks for the tips! They will really come in handy. And no sob stories, you were out there and you finished, that is all that counts. Your husband is correct, You did it! ;)
Thank you. :) You're totally right!
How was the weather and course? I had heard mixed reviews before but all I could find was old info so I wasn't sure if it was still accurate. I would think it would be fun to run by the lake if u could see it. I was going to run the 10k just to try toget a good time for signing up for princess and tink. I heard the 10k doesn't get a medal- any truth to that?
Did you run any of the races last year? I did the half last year too and there was a heat advisory...this year wasn't as hot but it still wasn't great race weather. Mid-70s when I finished with some humidity. One of the other things that went wrong for me was leaving my sunglasses in the car. :headache: Luckily it was pretty overcast, so that helped a LOT. The buildings downtown blocked out a lot of the sun too.

I like the course. It goes west, so through Edgewater and along the lake. The Edgewater part was nice - lots of nice houses to look at and good spectator support. I really had to remind myself to look around and take it all in since I was so focused on my goal time and was so unhappy with myself. From there it goes through Ohio City and Tremont, then back downtown via the Lorain Avenue bridge. I always forget how hilly it is though! They say it's fast and flat, but there are definitely inclines. I'll have to dump my data into Garmin Connect later and post it for oyu.

Right before the finish the half and full courses split, and the full course heads east...and I was SO glad not to be taking that turn with the full marathoners! :faint:

As far as I know the 10k runners didn't get a medal, and I'm pretty sure that's right because if you look at the race information pages they specifically list finisher medals for the half and full, but not for the 10K. 10K runners get t-shirts, where the half and full marathoners get tech shirts - the designs are the same for everyone but they'll say what the race is (mine says "1/2M" and "Half Marathon" on the sleeve) and they are different colors (the half shirt was a white tech shirt, and from what I saw the 10K shirt was a teal cotton t-shirt). I've never done the 10K but I might try it next year just to switch things up.
In terms of tips for longer races, do you guys carry energy gels? For ToT, I only stopped for water. I made sure to hit every station except the first, but was forcing myself to do it. I was pretty depleted at the end and got sick on my post-race snack box. (What I was willing to eat, which wasn't much since I was feeling so tired and sick after running in the heat/humidity.) I'm wondering if I can power through a half without bringing anything with me or should I learn to like the gel snacks to get me through the final miles? Also, I can't stand Gatorade, but I am guessing I should go for that a couple of times during this race?
YES. The first time I ran a longer race was a local 10-miler - it took me about 2 hours and I felt so sick and awful when I was done. This is when I started researching fueling and hydration during races. During that race I didn't eat or drink at all and I think that's what did me in.

I think during your training this is something that you want to experiment with, because it's so different from person to person. Try gels, blocks, gummies, whatever - do you like certain flavors? Do certain textures not agree with you? They'll provide a gel stop during the course but I personally will be bringing my own.

Just to give you an example, when I was trying to figure this out for myself, I came to a few conclusions...

- Hammer gels are too watery...disgustingly watery, yet I can see how others would like them because they may be gentler on the stomach
- Honey Stinger gels get a lot of love from runners because they are all-natural and a good option for people who can't handle caffeine. I really wanted to love them, but for me they are WAY too sweet. Sadness. :sad:
- Eventually I decided I liked the consistency of Gu gels. I don't like orange-flavored anything, so that was out. I didn't like the Triple berry flavor. The Mint chocolate flavor tasted good, but it made my stomach burn. Chocolate outrage tasted good but reminded me too much of icing. Vanilla is just right. :thumbsup2
- And after that I ended up going with Gu chomps because I like having something solid during the race, especially if I feel hungry. Favorite flavors are strawberry and blueberry pomegranate. In contrast, my brother hates these because they get stuck in his teeth.

Of course these above^^ are all personal preferences...there are tons of folks who love Hammer Gel and Honey Stingers, and tons who can tolerate Chocolate Outrage and Mint Chocolate Gu. I am not one of them!

Now my routine is to drink water every 2 miles and have 1/2 bag of Gu chomps every 4 miles. Some people can get by with more, some can get by with less. It just depends.

This is the kind of stuff you want to figure out during training and practice during your long runs...i.e. BEFORE the race. Not on race day itself. :thumbsup2 And just an FYI, in the past they have had Powerade at the stops, not Gatorade. I can handle both but I know some can't handle one but are fine with the other. :confused: I've also heard it's diluted at the water stops. I try to switch - have Powerade, then Gatorade at the next stop, then back to water - just do whatever you do during training and you should be okay.
Just an FYI... this morning I submitted a 10K time from the weekend via e-mail and received a confirmation back with an updated registration just a few hours later. Very prompt! Now I need a half-marathon time to submit for the WDW Marathon in January...
Yeah, they're surprisingly good about that, I think! ::yes::
Try something else - we do cliff shot blocks as I can't stand consistency of Gu or gels. You can also even do things like small packs of gummy bears or skittles like my hubby does. Find what works for you. But after running out of fuel last year, I would be first to recommend you take some fuel to have during race. I had the shot blocks, but not enough.
AMEN! :worship: I've never tried Shot Bloks but I know tons of people swear by them.
 
Yikes, I'm beginning to think I'm underestimating this run. :scared: I just get out there and go, no specific training plan, no concern about fueling, etc... I had been thinking of pasta for lunch the day or the race, but that was about all I had thought of.
Maybe I should rethink my approach to this. :scratchin
LOL, at the baked potatoes!
 
In terms of tips for longer races, do you guys carry energy gels? For ToT, I only stopped for water. I made sure to hit every station except the first, but was forcing myself to do it. I was pretty depleted at the end and got sick on my post-race snack box. (What I was willing to eat, which wasn't much since I was feeling so tired and sick after running in the heat/humidity.) I'm wondering if I can power through a half without bringing anything with me or should I learn to like the gel snacks to get me through the final miles? Also, I can't stand Gatorade, but I am guessing I should go for that a couple of times during this race?

Just adding to what Ariel said, I like Gummy bears. I have not tried any of the other gels out there yet. So far the bears seems to work for me. I think I had about 6 - 8 on each of my races this weekend. And they don't bother my stomach so I know I can use them in a big race.

In regards to hydration, again, everyone is different. My first 10K I stopped at one of the water stops and drank (it was a small cup) and got the WORST cramp in my side. I don't know if I drank to fast or what but it took a few minutes to recover from it. I never drink water on my training runs so that was the first time I had drank during a run. Now I take a tiny sip and pour the rest down my back to cool me off. :rotfl:
 
Yikes, I'm beginning to think I'm underestimating this run. :scared: I just get out there and go, no specific training plan, no concern about fueling, etc... I had been thinking of pasta for lunch the day or the race, but that was about all I had thought of.
Maybe I should rethink my approach to this. :scratchin
LOL, at the baked potatoes!

CamColt, that is why it is good when we start these discussions. It gets us all thinking about how we should be doing things in general, but tailor made them to suit ourselves.

I have been using Jeff Galloway's training plan on the rundisney site, but not to the T. But for the most part I am getting my 2 training runs in, but my long runs don't happen every week. :sad1: But I am also training for a 1/2 in 3 weeks, where for W&D and we are not really there yet.

I am worried about what to eat the day before and the day of. That is one of my worries that I get in enough of the right stuff.

We still have time to figure out some details :thumbsup2
 
No posts on our thread in over a day? This thread is just too dead, we gotta get it moving again. :cool1:

Anyone running this weekend? I had a 8 mile race yesterday. My longest run so far. It was an absolutely perfect race. The scenery was just beautiful, I could not have been more happy with my time, I PR on my 5K and 10K and I came in 43 out of 48! :lmao: But it just gave me a big confidence booster in my running. Today I have a 10K, I figured the back to back races is practice for marathon weekend and Princes when I am going the 10K and 1/2. Wished W&D had 10K too, maybe next year. ;) But there is also a kids race after the 10K and my 5 yr old DS and 6 yr old DD can't wait to get a medal today. :cheer2:

That's great!!!

My DH and I did a Tough Mudder in FL this weekend with some friends. It ended up being about 11 miles long, and had 20 obstacles. I didn't train AT ALL for it (strength or distance-wise), and we finished in about 3 hours. I ran a LOT more than I thought I would, and only skipped 2 obstacles. I am SUPER sore still today, but I'm going to get back to running and training this weekend after I recover!

Still unsure which training plan I'm going to use (looking at a program on Cool Running, and the Jeff Galloway "Finish in the Upright Position)... this race will be part of my training for the Marathon in January, so I'll need to make sure this fits in well!

Hope everyone had a great weekend! :goodvibes
 
In terms of tips for longer races, do you guys carry energy gels? For ToT, I only stopped for water. I made sure to hit every station except the first, but was forcing myself to do it. I was pretty depleted at the end and got sick on my post-race snack box. (What I was willing to eat, which wasn't much since I was feeling so tired and sick after running in the heat/humidity.) I'm wondering if I can power through a half without bringing anything with me or should I learn to like the gel snacks to get me through the final miles? Also, I can't stand Gatorade, but I am guessing I should go for that a couple of times during this race?

I use GU brand gels, and really like them. I prefer the Octanes, and also any with caffeine in them. I take one about 15 min before I start, then about every 3 1/2 miles after that. They help me a LOT... there are a ton of brands out there, I would start experimenting now to see what agrees best with you!

As for the Gatorade, in my experience, they use a watered down Powerade mixture (lemon lime I believe - it's yellow!) at the stations. I would experiment with that as well, so you know how you'll feel with it. I always switch it up, but I didn't my first go around and I could definitely tell a difference!!
 
This is a good summary, I think. :)
http://www.runnersworld.com/nutrition-runners/how-eat-during-long-runs

It can be gels, blocks, gummies, gummy bears, Fig Newtons...whatever works for you. It's basically nutrition/carbohydrates you take in during a run to keep your energy up. I've heard ultrarunners - runners that run races longer than marathon distance - will sometimes carry baked potatoes on their runs! :rotfl2:

Ohhh, baked potatoes I would love, but only if I could have them with all the fixins! (Don't laugh if you see me sitting down enjoying my gourmet snack on the course!) :rotfl:
 
Disney races use Powerade, as it is in the Coca-Cola Family of products.

They use the powder to and mix it at not very accurate strengths, so you could have a station with more diluted Powerade than another.

I've had both the yellow and blue on a Disney course.
 
Ariel484- Funny you should mention the Honey Stinger gels. My DH brought me a sample after my last 10k and it was WAY too sweet. He loves them so was happy to finish mine but I know I couldn't run with those.

dlbwright- Thanks for the gummy endorsement. I think I am going to give the Honey Stinger chews a try. DH says they aren't as sweet as the gels.

I appreciate all of the advice to experiment with different combos. I also think I am going to invest in a water belt since I tend to get dehydrated when I go more than 6 miles without water. There doesn't seem to be a difference between Powerade and Gatorade for me. I really don't enjoy flavored drinks in general but I'll probably give some a try in the last third of the race to carry me through.

I always eat a baked potato post long run, if one is available, with a little salt and butter. I also believe that eating potatoes post cortisone shot helped negate weight gain. Instead of a post race beer, we should all go for post-race potatoes ;)

Okay, now I need a water belt recommendation...
 












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