The nothing negative about Disney post

[DoingDisney]

You're right, your attitude doesn't determine whether or not you get the FP. It determines how enjoyable you'll allow your vacation to be regardless of whether or not you have the FP.

But see you go right back to the "your vacation is only as enjoyable as you allow it to be". Then why don't you just stay home ? Let your backyard be as enjoyable to you as Disney World. Think of all the money you would save and all the great things you could do with it ???

Or wait, is it actually possible that your level of enjoyment is actually related to what disney offers you, that the things you are able (or unable) to do actually effect how enjoyable your vacation is ??? Oh right, thats why ... thats why any of us go to WDW in the first place. Because they offer stuff that makes a WDW vacation better than our backyards !!! Which means, when WDW doesn't offer you things, or cuts back on things, or creates systems which no longer allow you to get things, your enjoyment goes down, its not just about your "attitude" its about what WDW is doing and offering you.

 

[Elevationist]

Also, what do you do when you DON'T get in at all ? Just pretend that you got in ? Just be happy for the extra time you spend on mainstreet in stead ? Then why not just stay home and just have a good attitude about that, according to your argument you can enjoy that just as much. Lots of people don't have a home to stay in after all, just think positive thoughts ?

Actually, yes. If one ADR is going to make or break your entire Disney vacation and make you that unhappy... Stay home. Please.

 

[10-4 Good Buddy]

How can positive people be so negative?

 

[5kidsmommy]

How can positive people be so negative?

Because many of us are tired of the whining, so tired of it that we start whining ourselves. I actually need to deal with the board members as toddlers because when you have toddlers you can so easily start whining when they whine but you can stop yourself and just ignore them which is really want I need to do. And I need to remind my self that disboards is really a fine example of first world problems.

 

[DoingDisney]

How can positive people be so negative?

Was wondering that myself ? Can't they just have a better attitude about these boards and not mind seeing posts about people complaining ?

 

[alliecat523]

But see you go right back to the "your vacation is only as enjoyable as you allow it to be". Then why don't you just stay home ? Let your backyard be as enjoyable to you as Disney World. Think of all the money you would save and all the great things you could do with it ???

Or wait, is it actually possible that your level of enjoyment is actually related to what disney offers you, that the things you are able (or unable) to do actually effect how enjoyable your vacation is ??? Oh right, thats why ... thats why any of us go to WDW in the first place. Because they offer stuff that makes a WDW vacation better than our backyards !!! Which means, when WDW doesn't offer you things, or cuts back on things, or creates systems which no longer allow you to get things, your enjoyment goes down, its not just about your "attitude" its about what WDW is doing and offering you.

I do love my home. So much so that I work out of it so I am here 99% of the time! Sometimes I like a change of scenery so I go to WDW and enjoy that too. I don't feel like Disney has lessened my experience like you do. If I did, I wouldn't go. I would still be happy sitting in my home like I do every other day of the year.

 

[Elevationist]

I do love my home. So much so that I work out of it so I am here 99% of the time! Sometimes I like a change of scenery so I go to WDW and enjoy that too. I don't feel like Disney has lessened my experience like you do. If I did, I wouldn't go. I would still be happy sitting in my home like I do every other day of the year.

This! A hundred times, this! I just can't wrap my head around how some people can be so miserably unhappy with a place and their operations, but still continue to throw their money at it. It makes zero sense.

 

[Dentam]

Or wait, is it actually possible that your level of enjoyment is actually related to what disney offers you, that the things you are able (or unable) to do actually effect how enjoyable your vacation is ??? Oh right, thats why ... thats why any of us go to WDW in the first place. Because they offer stuff that makes a WDW vacation better than our backyards !!! Which means, when WDW doesn't offer you things, or cuts back on things, or creates systems which no longer allow you to get things, your enjoyment goes down, its not just about your "attitude" its about what WDW is doing and offering you.

Bingo. I'm sure Disney would prefer that every guest have a sunny outlook and never complain about anything but it sure wouldn't encourage them to improve the way they operate, would it? I think there are some very valid concerns that people bring up on the DIS - the latest MNSSHP comes to mind. If cramming more people into the parks is more important to the company than the experiences those guests are getting out of the party, then there is a problem there. If enough people complain about this then maybe some of the policies could be changed. Or... maybe there will just always be enough people willing to put up with that type of craziness? I kind of lean toward the latter and am beginning to think that WDW has just become too popular for my taste. I'm an introvert who admittedly struggles with a bit of anxiety in crowds, so maybe WDW is just a better place for extroverts who thrive in this type of atmosphere.

 

[10-4 Good Buddy]

This! A hundred times, this! I just can't wrap my head around how some people can be so miserably unhappy with a place and their operations, but still continue to throw their money at it. It makes zero sense.

Because they love the place as much as you do?

 

[mesaboy2]

We went from "enjoyment goes down" to "miserably unhappy" in 6 posts. This is better than Telephone.

 

[dixiegirl]

OP - thank you for your positive attitude! Nothing in life is perfect - life is messy and often unpleasant. And no, you can't always control what happens but you certainly can control how you choose to react to it. Don't let those who insist on posting negatives get you down - you just keep on trucking with that pixie dust!

 

[Jennasis]

Well, I can certainly "roll with the punches" while ON vacation and still have a fantastic trip, and then come home and complain here about how long FP+ took to set up or how often MDE glitched.

 

[10-4 Good Buddy]

Don't let those who insist on posting negatives get you down - you just keep on trucking with that pixie dust!

Keep on Trucking! 10-4 good buddy, my kinda post!

 

[Magpie]

Bingo. I'm sure Disney would prefer that every guest have a sunny outlook and never complain about anything but it sure wouldn't encourage them to improve the way they operate, would it? I think there are some very valid concerns that people bring up on the DIS - the latest MNSSHP comes to mind. If cramming more people into the parks is more important to the company than the experiences those guests are getting out of the party, then there is a problem there. If enough people complain about this then maybe some of the policies could be changed. Or... maybe there will just always be enough people willing to put up with that type of craziness? I kind of lean toward the latter and am beginning to think that WDW has just become too popular for my taste. I'm an introvert who admittedly struggles with a bit of anxiety in crowds, so maybe WDW is just a better place for extroverts who thrive in this type of atmosphere.

Nobody goes there any more. It's too crowded.

~Yogi Berra

 

[Elevationist]

Bingo. I'm sure Disney would prefer that every guest have a sunny outlook and never complain about anything but it sure wouldn't encourage them to improve the way they operate, would it? I think there are some very valid concerns that people bring up on the DIS - the latest MNSSHP comes to mind. If cramming more people into the parks is more important to the company than the experiences those guests are getting out of the party, then there is a problem there. If enough people complain about this then maybe some of the policies could be changed. Or... maybe there will just always be enough people willing to put up with that type of craziness? I kind of lean toward the latter and am beginning to think that WDW has just become too popular for my taste. I'm an introvert who admittedly struggles with a bit of anxiety in crowds, so maybe WDW is just a better place for extroverts who thrive in this type of atmosphere.

The thing though is that vehemently complaining on an unofficial Disney forum does exactly diddly squat except make that person feel validated in their whining.

If real change is to be effected, the only thing Disney is going to listen to is $$$. That's it, that's all. When people become so unhappy with their operations and business practices that they start losing revenue, that's the only time anything might change.

But when those same unhappy people continue to willingly hand their money over to a company who just continues to disappoint them to the extent that the find themselves here on the Dis needing to vent about how awful it is... They are a part of the very problems that are vexing them.

In our capitalist society, your money is your voice. The way to be heard by a corporation like Disney is to take your business elsewhere. Anything else is just self-indulgent overly-privileged foolishness.

 

[BigAlsGal]

I love disney!!! It took me a few years to become accustomed to these boards. Some people are just sooo irritating. If they're this irritating on these boards I can't imagine being in their real life presences. I'd probably claw my own eyes out, pour gasoline on my head, and set myself on fire. I've learned which posters are more like me and which posters aren't. I'm constantly rolling my eyes. I don't let it bother me.

Really I'm just glad I'm not them. I'm joyful at Disney. I know it's my happy place. Disneys not perfect but any time I've had an issue they have made it right. I love the place. Top to bottom. A world without Disney is a world I don't wanna be in. Anyone who has a negative opinion about the place is like a pesky fly I swat away. They can find some other turd to land on.

Did I mention I LOVE DISNEY!?!?!?!

 

[10-4 Good Buddy]

The thing though is that vehemently complaining on an unofficial Disney forum does exactly diddly squat except make that person feel validated in their misery......Anything else is just self-indulgent overly-privileged foolishness.

I respectfully disagree. Even complaints can be informative for those seeking advice. Do you ever read a review on Amazon or TripAdvisor or Yelp? Do you automatically dismiss any negative reports because you think that person is just a miserable fool?

 

[JimmyV]

This! A hundred times, this! I just can't wrap my head around how some people can be so miserably unhappy with a place and their operations, but still continue to throw their money at it. It makes zero sense.

I don't think people are miserably unhappy so much as they are disappointed in a company that has altered its culture and which fails to recognize that some simple changes can right the ship. You are absolutely right that it makes no sense for people to drop $5,000 on a WDW vacation if doing so makes them miserable. I doubt anyone here is that stubborn. But this Board is heavily populated with people who are long time fans and who remember a time when the "Disney difference" was simply more palpable than it is today. This is not to say that the "Disney difference" no longer exists. It does, and that is what makes people keep going back. Even the complainers. But the once canyon-like gap between Disney and everything else has shrunk some. Many don't notice. Some don't care. Some don't agree that it has. But others find this to be a troubling process that is speeding up and not slowing down. That won't stop them from going. But it will cause them to post about what they are observing and how they are disappointed in certain things that should be easy to correct. We need look no further than the rant of our good host here when he goes off on the condition of the bathrooms. Is there a guy on the planet who is more enthusiastic about WDW than Pete? Is there anyone more qualified to tell us what things are like in the parks, day in and day out? And yet he is the biggest ranter of all when it comes to the bathrooms. He is not "miserable". He is simply disappointed, and yes, perhaps even angry. Because he knows that Disney is capable of so much more. And up until a short while ago, we got that "so much more". It really is as simple as corporate cost cutting. The Disney difference used to come at what seemed to be "any price", (though we know that everything has a price). Now, the Disney difference has been monetized more overtly, and in some ways it shows. Nothing wrong about people pointing that out.

Edit to add...

I think there are some very valid concerns that people bring up on the DIS - the latest MNSSHP comes to mind. If cramming more people into the parks is more important to the company than the experiences those guests are getting out of the party, then there is a problem there.

This is a perfect example. Perhaps the best one that could be cited. If you went to MNSSHP 10 years ago, and went again this year, your experience will have changed. And it didn't get better. They used to sell far fewer tickets, and the party was like a private, intimate affair. Now, it is a "crowd level 7" event. Why? The need to make more money. In 2005, someone probably said: "You know...we could sell twice as many tickets to this event", and somebody else probably said: "Sure. But it just wouldn't be the same. We revel in the Disney difference!". Now?? That has changed. Do people still go? Sure. Is it better than it was before? No rational person could say that it is.

 

[Dentam]

If real change is to be effected, the only thing Disney is going to listen to is $$$. That's it, that's all. When people become so unhappy with their operations and business practices that they start losing revenue, that's the only time anything might change.

I agree, although I do think Disney reads this site and of course a lot of potential Disney customers do as well. I did say at the end of my post that it's more likely that the people unbothered by these issues will continue to attend. What's sad to me is that many people like myself will no longer do so because the experience has been diminished for us. It would be nice if Disney cared a bit more about the experience they are giving guests over profit, but I'm not naive enough to believe that would ever happen.

 

[10-4 Good Buddy]

I wish I could type like this guy.

I don't think people are miserably unhappy so much as they are disappointed in a company that has altered its culture and which fails to recognize that some simple changes can right the ship. You are absolutely right that it makes no sense for people to drop $5,000 on a WDW vacation if doing so makes them miserable. I doubt anyone here is that stubborn. But this Board is heavily populated with people who are long time fans and who remember a time when the "Disney difference" was simply more palpable than it is today. This is not to say that the "Disney difference" no longer exists. It does, and that is what makes people keep going back. Even the complainers. But the once canyon-like gap between Disney and everything else has shrunk some. Many don't notice. Some don't care. Some don't agree that it has. But others find this to be a troubling process that is speeding up and not slowing down. That won't stop them from going. But it will cause them to post about what they are observing and how they are disappointed in certain things that should be easy to correct. We need look no further than the rant of our good host here when he goes off on the condition of the bathrooms. Is there a guy on the planet who is more enthusiastic about WDW than Pete? Is there anyone more qualified to tell us what things are like in the parks, day in and day out. And yet he is the biggest ranter of all when it comes to the bathrooms. He is not "miserable". He is simply disappointed, and yes, perhaps even angry. Because he knows that Disney is capable of so much more. And up until a short while ago, we to that "so much more". It really is as simple as corporate cost cutting. The Disney difference used to come at what seemed to be "any price", (though we know that everything has a price). Now, the Disney difference has been monetized more overtly, and in some ways it shows. Nothing wrong about people pointing that out.