The Liberal Thread #2 - No Debate Please

[eclectics]

Good point. I like that.

Except that the Cons, from all observations, think the Democrats do not support nor admire the military, and I'll add "as much as they do" even though I probably don't have to. Just remember what they did to Kerry. In their eyes, having a pro military history or stance gets negated just by the fact that they are a Dem. So, easy to see that they would dismiss W. Clark out of hand. The Con base won't be impressed at all. McCain might be cautious about dissing him, but the base certainly won't.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Anyone hear the Bush endorsement of McCain? It was all "He's a good man" and "I know his family" and "I've been to his house"...I mean, talk about folksy...

Now that the Bush endorsement is complete and the torch has been passed, it's amazing to think that neo-con public enemy #2, right below Hillary, is the standard bearer for the Republican Party. McCain is now their leader!

So my question is this, what becomes of all of the proud Bush supporters here on the DIS? Does Dawn, TCPluto and Joe still hold sway as the elites of the Conservative thread or does a more moderate, less abrasive conservative, like say Zippa, move to the front of the line? It's all such a shift here...my mind is swimming!

 

[Hound 109]

I was hoping for a knockout blow too. But, it's not going to happen. Clinton and Obama will continue the way they are until the convention. Unlike some here, I think it's the best thing that can happen for the Democratic party.

There's excitement here. There's enthusiasm. People are paying attention. These are good things in politics. Part of the reason why we ended up with the sack of crap sitting in the Oval Office is people were asleep at the wheel. No more. People are energized and hungry for more. The ratings on the various debates aren't going down. They're going up and this is in an election season that has been going on for over a year and has already had 20 debates. The Republicans would give their eye teeth for half of that.

And one last thing: I watched Mike Huckabee's speech last night. What a classy guy.

I agree. Both candidates will be battle tested after this & BO & HC forces will shake hands....then it's off to defeat GW McCain.

 

[Laura]

Anyone hear the Bush endorsement of McCain? It was all "He's a good man" and "I know his family" and "I've been to his house"...I mean, talk about folksy...

Did he give him a nickname?

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Did he give him a nickname?

He did, but I'm afraid the DISboards filter won't allow me to post it!!

 

[disneyfan67]

McCain will be OK as long as Bush doesn't say "McCainie you're doing a heck of a job there". You have my full support.

If Bush says that, all bets are off.

 

[eclectics]

McCain will be OK as long as Bush doesn't say "McCainie you're doing a heck of a job there". You have my full support.

If Bush says that, all bets are off.

Trust me, Eddie, the "chum" factor will never get that far. You're not going to see Bush at too many McCain rallys. He'll fund raise for him behind the scenes but the photo ops are going to be very few and far between. McCain may be many things, but he's not stupid.

 

[Chloe'sMom]

Anyone hear the Bush endorsement of McCain? It was all "He's a good man" and "I know his family" and "I've been to his house"...I mean, talk about folksy...

All he needed was "I've looked into his eyes and see a good soul."

~Amanda

 

[disneyfan67]

Trust me, Eddie, the "chum" factor will never get that far. You're not going to see Bush at too many McCain rallys. He'll fund raise for him behind the scenes but the photo ops are going to be very few and far between. McCain may be many things, but he's not stupid.

Oh, I know that all to well.

The treatment McCain received in the 2000 primaries from the Bush camp was disgraceful and it should have been a wake up call to me. I'm sure there has to be some bitterness left over on McCain's part, but he wants the big prise and probably swallows his disgust, IMO. I don't think I could.

 

[eclectics]

Oh, I know that all to well.

The treatment McCain received in the 2000 primaries from the Bush camp was disgraceful and it should have been a wake up call to me. I'm sure there has to be some bitterness left over on McCain's part, but he wants the big prise and probably swallows his disgust, IMO. I don't think I could.

Not only that, but McCain knows Bush, due to his unpopularity, is much more of a detrement than an asset, when it comes to his electability.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Not only that, but McCain knows Bush, due to his unpopularity, is much more of a detrement than an asset, when it comes to his electability.

Anyone notice in his acceptance speech last night, he was already mentioning how the next Pres has to "explain how he or she intends to bring that war to the swiftest possible conclusion"? That certainly pricked up my ears a bit! How very un-Bush of him!!

 

[eclectics]

Anyone notice in his acceptance speech last night, he was already mentioning how the next Pres has to "explain how he or she intends to bring that war to the swiftest possible conclusion"? That certainly pricked up my ears a bit! How very un-Bush of him!!

These little tidbits make me smile when I think of the indignant sputtering that's going to occur when he keeps, ever so slightly and subtly, moving to the center. Should be fun!

 

[KyDerbyMan]

I wonder where Hillary's tax returns are? Hmmm...

And just how convenient was this $20 million payout from Ron Burkle to hubby Bill?
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Clinton_loaned_her_campaign_5_million.html

 

[JARNJ3]

Interesting Article on the "Supers" - pertains to both candidates:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/8867.html

Superdelegates play hardball

By: Josephine Hearn and Amie Parnes and Josh Kraushaar
Mar 5, 2008 07:40 PM EST

Flexing their new power to determine the Democratic presidential nomination, a bloc of Ohio superdelegates is withholding endorsements from Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton until one or the other offers a concrete proposal to protect American jobs, two Ohio Democrats told Politico Wednesday.

The apparent deal among Ohioans is the first evidence of superdelegates’ banding together and seeking concessions from the presidential candidates in return for votes at the convention. It’s a practice that could become more common after Clinton’s victories in Ohio and Texas on Tuesday put her back on solid footing in her race against Obama and ensured that the battle for superdelegates will continue for many weeks to come.

Ohio Democratic Rep. Marcy Kaptur, one of the leading protectionists in Congress, said Ohioans have many suggestions on economic and trade issues they hoped the candidates would address.

“We have a laundry list of measures we think would be effective, some involving tax policy, some involving investment policy, intellectual property incentives to hold investments in this country,” Kaptur said. “I’m hoping superdelegates [who] are uncommitted that have the economy as their major concern will gravitate to our group and use that power to gain additional attention.”

Among congressional Democrats from Ohio, only Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, a Clinton backer, has endorsed. The rest — Kaptur, Reps. Dennis J. Kucinich, Tim Ryan, Zack Space, Betty S. Sutton and Charlie Wilson, and Sen. Sherrod Brown — remain uncommitted even after their state’s voters handed Clinton a decisive victory in Tuesday’s Democratic primary.

“We had a general agreement,” Kucinich said of the pact. “We have economic issues that need to be addressed. Ohio has economic issues more urgent than any other state.”

A spokesman for Ryan acknowledged that the Ohioans sent a letter to both Obama and Clinton last week in which they outlined their views about the economy, but he insisted there was no agreement to withhold votes. Ryan himself told Politico: “We want the candidates to talk about the issues important to Ohio. We all have the same issues, and we’ve talked about them. But I don’t think there’s any coordinated effort to stick together. There are conversations. It gets hard to build any kind of alliance when, in a lot of our districts, certain candidates did really, really well.”

Ryan said he had been thinking of making an endorsement “up until Monday,” then added: “There’s always talk of trying to build coalitions.”

In the Feb. 25 letter, the Ohio lawmakers urged the candidates to address manufacturing job losses, “unfair” international competition and U.S. trade policy, with a particular emphasis on China. “American workers and industry can compete with any nation, provided the playing field is even,” they wrote.

The Ohio superdelegates’ decision to remain uncommitted even after their state had spoken mirrored patterns seen across the country Wednesday. Only two superdelegates — Dayton Mayor Rhine McLin and Georgia Democratic Party Chairwoman Jane Kidd — changed their positions after Clinton won in Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island, and both of them endorsed Obama.

Harold Ickes, a senior adviser to the Clinton campaign, said on a conference call Wednesday that many superdelegates were “keeping their powder dry. … They’re watching and waiting.”

Rep. Raul M. Grijalva (D-Ariz.), an Obama backer, echoed that sentiment verbatim. “I think, after this, there is a pause. Everybody waits. They keep their powder dry.”

Democratic officials said Tuesday that the Obama campaign planned to unveil the support of 50 new superdelegates Wednesday. No such announcement came Wednesday, but several Obama backers said that such a plan had, in fact, been in the works. Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) said Wednesday morning that she thought the plan was “going forward” but added that she had yet to check in with the campaign.

Both campaigns had expected that Wednesday would bring a wave of new endorsements for Obama if he’d won in both Texas and Ohio.

“Many people [backing Clinton] were saying, ‘I’m going to go on and pull out after Tuesday.’ And now they’re saying, ‘Under no circumstances am I pulling out. I’ve been there all along,’” said Clinton supporter Rep. Emanuel Cleaver II (D-Mo.). “It’s amazing how three wins can turn people around.”

Clinton’s victories provided much-needed relief for her backers on Capitol Hill, especially African-Americans who had faced pressure from some black activists to back Obama.

As Clinton gave her victory speech in Ohio Tuesday night, a group of her congressional supporters gathered around a television at the home of Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.). As Clinton ran through a list of those who had helped her in Ohio — the governor, the lieutenant governor, former Sen. John Glenn — they anxiously yelled at the television, “And? And?”

“And I especially want to thank Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones,” Clinton said. The room erupted into cheers.

Perhaps more than any other African-American in Congress, Tubbs Jones had gone out on a limb to support Clinton, serving as national co-chairwoman of her campaign.

“The senator is well aware of what some African-American supporters have experienced,” said Cleaver, who was pleased that Clinton had recognized Tubbs Jones. “For people like Stephanie Tubbs Jones and [Rep.] Sheila Jackson Lee [D-Texas], this has been a vindication for them, because they have really taken hits for supporting Sen. Clinton. Today, they’re looking pretty good.”

The next big contest in the presidential race is Pennsylvania, and it’s seven weeks away.

Superdelegates from the Keystone State were almost bemused Wednesday that the state was now being described as “the new Iowa” because of the time the candidates would spend campaigning there and the significance of the outcome.

“I never expected to be in a position where Pennsylvania was going to matter,” said Rep. Jason Altmire (D-Pa.). Altmire said he feared that the campaign might get ugly in the long run-up to the Pennsylvania vote. “I just hope the two candidates don’t bash each other over the head for the next few weeks,” he said. “That’s the worst possible scenario.”

Pennsylvania Sen. Robert P. Casey Jr. concurred: “Our voters will have no patience for nastiness.”

Meanwhile, Democratic leaders were mulling plans to have Michigan and Florida hold primary votes after Pennsylvania and other primaries are finished in order to give those voters a say in the tight race.

Reflecting on that possibility and the fickleness of superdelegates, Cleaver said, “If another country elected leaders the way we do, we’d ask them to bring in the U.N. monitors.”

 

[chris1gill]

Interesting Article on the "Supers" - pertains to both candidates:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/8867.html

Sounds as if the Super's are acting more like Pac's... The presidential nominee follows them lock step and barrel and the Pac will follow them... sounds pretty typical.

On an aside, does anyone have poll numbers for upcoming Wyoming and Mississippi? I've only seen numbers for Pennsylvania....

 

[Laura]

Sounds as if the Super's are acting more like Pac's... The presidential nominee follows them lock step and barrel and the Pac will follow them... sounds pretty typical.

On an aside, does anyone have poll numbers for upcoming Wyoming and Mississippi? I've only seen numbers for Pennsylvania....

I haven't seen poll numbers. Word is that Obama is favored in WY and MS, but I don't know how they figured that out.

 

[LuvDuke]

These little tidbits make me smile when I think of the indignant sputtering that's going to occur when he keeps, ever so slightly and subtly, moving to the center. Should be fun!

Slightly moving to the center? Looks to me like he made the giant leap the very second he acknowledged he had the nomination.

And to think, Limbaugh had his dittoheads vote for Hillary? Makes you wonder why he didn't instruct them to vote for a conservative going back to Iowa? Planet Bush will believe anything.

 

[Mugg Mann]

Slightly moving to the center? Looks to me like he made the giant leap the very second he acknowledged he had the nomination.

And to think, Limbaugh had his dittoheads vote for Hillary? Makes you wonder why he didn't instruct them to vote for a conservative going back to Iowa? Planet Bush will believe anything.

It's actually great fun listening to Rush these days, and I'd encourage you to do so for a couple of minutes if you get the chance.

He's always contradicted himself, but this time he's taking it to a new level. One minute he makes a big deal about how he's just an entertainer, but in the next sentence talks about how everyone out there is scared of him and the power he wields. I've said it before, and I'll say it again; some people do crossword puzzles or sudoku for mental stimulation, and I like to listen to people like Rush using critical thinking skills to spot the contradictions in his words and his "logic".

I usually don't need more than a minute or two to hit the daily quota.

 

[eclectics]

It's actually great fun listening to Rush these days, and I'd encourage you to do so for a couple of minutes if you get the chance.

He's always contradicted himself, but this time he's taking it to a new level. One minute he makes a big deal about how he's just an entertainer, but in the next sentence talks about how everyone out there is scared of him and the power he wields. I've said it before, and I'll say it again; some people do crossword puzzles or sudoku for mental stimulation, and I like to listen to people like Rush using critical thinking skills to spot the contradictions in his words and his "logic".

I usually don't need more than a minute or two to hit the daily quota.

Exposure to large amounts of expelled hot air are bad for one's health. Speaking of hot air, I stopped looking at a certain thread and feel tons better.

 

[wvrevy]

I haven't seen poll numbers. Word is that Obama is favored in WY and MS, but I don't know how they figured that out.

Wyoming is a caucus. So far, he's won all of the caucuses (caucii? ) but one.

Mississippi's Democratic voters are about 50% African American, which Barack wins about 9 to 1.

In all likelihood, Barack will win enough delegates in those two states to more than negate the gain Hillary had in Ohio.