The Liberal Thread #2 - No Debate Please

[JARNJ3]

This op-ed piece is from the delusional wing of politics. John McCain is a dream candidate for the Democrats. He's running against hope and change when the country is screaming for hope and change.

Centrists feel the pinch in their wallet. Centrists see the neverending war in Iraq and McCain's having no problem with 100 more years of it. What is there about John McCain that would appeal to a centrist? Maybe someone could explain that and not in terms of the Clinton/Obama tussle.

Run, John, run.

I doubt there is no one defintion of the word "centrist" or "independent" for that matter.

Think about it - you ask someone - are you a dem or rep? Not are you a centrist, conservative, or liberal? I doubt no one knows how the independents will vote in November. A lot could happen to change things.

I just found that opinion contrary to others out there - and wanted to see if there was some merit to it.........

Got to go back to work to make the Disney money!!!

 

[Oreo Cookie]

Just saw this on the WCBS news this evening;

http://wcbstv.com/politics/hillary.clinton.barack.2.657932.html

NEW YORK (CBS) ― Here in New York City election officials are dealing with a startling discovery: 80 election districts -- many in minority areas -- had no votes recorded for Barack Obama.

Obama supporters are protesting and a recount is under way.

"It was clear from the votes, just people volunteering, that the majority of the votes were for Obama," said poll watcher Gordon Davis.

Imagine Davis' surprise when he learned that the tally from that machine, a device he watched, was reported to election officials as Hillary Clinton 141, Barack Obama 0.

"That's an outrage," Davis said. "It's wrong. It's wrong."

Many in the district agree.

"I don't feel good about it," one man said.

What's more troubling to Obama supporters is that 80 different election districts reported zero votes for the senator from Illinois.

"All of a sudden something like this happens, bad business," Davis said. "(It's) bad for New Yorkers, bad for the country and no good for Barack Obama."

Election officials say primary night tallies are always unofficial and that they always re-check the machines before certifying the vote.

"What you can see here clearly is just an omission when they put the vote in for Barack Obama because it does include the votes from his delegates," said Marcus Cederqvist, executive director of the NYC Board of Elections.

Cederqvist showed CBS 2 HD the tally sheets from a district in Brooklyn that initially had 118 votes for Sen. Clinton and none for Sen. Obama.

A recount found 116 for Obama.

"Election night is unofficial and the official results are going to come when we have a chance to canvas all the machines and the paper ballots," Cederqvist said.

Obama supporters hope that if the official count continues to go in their favor they could pick up a delegate or two.

It's too early to tell if any of those recounts could change the breakdown of New York's delegates, but in a race so tight, the change of just one delegate could end up deciding the Democratic nomination.
(© MMVIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)

I'm glad the official recount is happening, maybe Obama will pick-up a few delegates.

 

[lilyv]

Just saw this on the WCBS news this evening;

http://wcbstv.com/politics/hillary.clinton.barack.2.657932.html

NEW YORK (CBS) ― Here in New York City election officials are dealing with a startling discovery: 80 election districts -- many in minority areas -- had no votes recorded for Barack Obama.

Obama supporters are protesting and a recount is under way.

"It was clear from the votes, just people volunteering, that the majority of the votes were for Obama," said poll watcher Gordon Davis.

Imagine Davis' surprise when he learned that the tally from that machine, a device he watched, was reported to election officials as Hillary Clinton 141, Barack Obama 0.

"That's an outrage," Davis said. "It's wrong. It's wrong."

Many in the district agree.

"I don't feel good about it," one man said.

What's more troubling to Obama supporters is that 80 different election districts reported zero votes for the senator from Illinois.

"All of a sudden something like this happens, bad business," Davis said. "(It's) bad for New Yorkers, bad for the country and no good for Barack Obama."

Election officials say primary night tallies are always unofficial and that they always re-check the machines before certifying the vote.

"What you can see here clearly is just an omission when they put the vote in for Barack Obama because it does include the votes from his delegates," said Marcus Cederqvist, executive director of the NYC Board of Elections.

Cederqvist showed CBS 2 HD the tally sheets from a district in Brooklyn that initially had 118 votes for Sen. Clinton and none for Sen. Obama.

A recount found 116 for Obama.

"Election night is unofficial and the official results are going to come when we have a chance to canvas all the machines and the paper ballots," Cederqvist said.

Obama supporters hope that if the official count continues to go in their favor they could pick up a delegate or two.

It's too early to tell if any of those recounts could change the breakdown of New York's delegates, but in a race so tight, the change of just one delegate could end up deciding the Democratic nomination.
(© MMVIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)

I'm glad the official recount is happening, maybe Obama will pick-up a few delegates.

I'm sure his campaign is following this behind the scenes, but I haven't heard Obama complain, moan or whine. I really appreciate he takes the high road, even when he appears to be treated unfairly.

Contrast his attitude with the latest frowny-faced, "He quoted his friend without attribution" gripe.

 

[Oreo Cookie]

I'm sure his campaign is following this behind the scenes, but I haven't heard Obama complain, moan or whine. I really appreciate he takes the high road, even when he appears to be treated unfairly.

Contrast his attitude with the latest frowny-faced, "He quoted his friend without attribution" gripe.

ITA!

 

[chris1gill]

I'm sure his campaign is following this behind the scenes, but I haven't heard Obama complain, moan or whine. I really appreciate he takes the high road, even when he appears to be treated unfairly.

Contrast his attitude with the latest frowny-faced, "He quoted his friend without attribution" gripe.

Not to mention all the disenfranchised New Yorker's who actually thought their vote WOULD be counted.... Looks like it will be, but you'd better bet if this were Hillary's lost votes she'd be out there on National TV every hour complaining about how disenfranchised her voter's are.... Just look what she's doing with Florida in Michigan where she knew going in those delegates would not be seated.

 

[wvrevy]

Exit polls are showing that Barack made major inroads into Hillary's strongholds, possibly winning the female vote outright, as well as doing considerably better with non-college educated workers, while Hillary is still winning the elderly vote.

These things aren't typically terribly reliable, but if the numbers I'm hearing are accurate, Barack could be in for a very good night!!!

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Ok, robin, who'd you end up voting for? Ya, flip-flopper you!

All eyes are on Wisconsin tonight!

 

[DISUNC]

ABC just called Obama wins Wisconsin

 

[robinb]

Ok, robin, who'd you end up voting for? Ya, flip-flopper you!

All eyes are on Wisconsin tonight!

I ended up voting for ....







































Hillary !

I adore Obama but Hillary just edged him out on national heath care, her plan to get out of Iraq and gay marriage (v/s only civil unions).

Why can't we have both? I really wanted to vote for BOTH of them and I flipped and flopped all day long. *sigh* All my friends split the vote too with half of us voting for Obama and half Hillary.

I worked the polls from 7:45 am - 3pm at the university where 2 out of 3 voters were NEW registrations (which can be done at the polls). It was very exciting to see all the young people voting . I felt like the shoemaker's daughter when I didn't get to vote until 7:00 pm!

 

[Honu]

ABC just called Obama wins Wisconsin

CNN too. I'm pretty confident he'll take Hawaii as well.

 

[Mugg Mann]

"Uh, Mrs. Clinton, could you please hand over your belt and your shoelaces...."

 

[BuckyFan04]

Hillary !

I adore Obama but Hillary just edged him out on national heath care, her plan to get out of Iraq and gay marriage (v/s only civil unions).

Why can't we have both? I really wanted to vote for BOTH of them and I flipped and flopped all day long. *sigh* All my friends split the vote too with half of us voting for Obama and half Hillary.

I worked the polls from 7:45 am - 3pm at the university where 2 out of 3 voters were NEW registrations (which can be done at the polls). It was very exciting to see all the young people voting . I felt like the shoemaker's daughter when I didn't get to vote until 7:00 pm!

Sorry to just jump into this thread, but....
I voted at the UW today. I was already registered so I got to skip the line and vote right away. I was number 900 at my polling place at around 4:45 pm, and was surprised at how busy the polling places were. Normally the primaries get a pretty low turnout at the university.

I am expecting Obama to win Wisconsin. After Obama spoke here at the university last week, everyone who went to see him was so fired up about him. The Kohl Center (where he spoke) was full to capacity, and many people waited 2 hours in some other room, and he spoke to them afterwards. He seems to have gained a lot of momentum in Wisconsin...his ads are being played on TV twice in every commercial break, it seems.

 

[DISUNC]

I ended up voting for ....
Hillary !

I adore Obama but Hillary just edged him out on national heath care, her plan to get out of Iraq and gay marriage (v/s only civil unions).

Why can't we have both? I really wanted to vote for BOTH of them and I flipped and flopped all day long. *sigh* All my friends split the vote too with half of us voting for Obama and half Hillary.

I worked the polls from 7:45 am - 3pm at the university where 2 out of 3 voters were NEW registrations (which can be done at the polls). It was very exciting to see all the young people voting . I felt like the shoemaker's daughter when I didn't get to vote until 7:00 pm!

Tell the truth, It was the fear of Obama eating your young wasn't it?

CNN too. I'm pretty confident he'll take Hawaii as well.

Yup, thats a given!

"Uh, Mrs. Clinton, could you please hand over your belt and your shoelaces...."

She still has "HOPE" with texas, Ohio & PA!

 

[wvrevy]

I guess Wisconsin is just another of those insignificant states that have gone for Obama.

That's 10 in a row...and I think Hawaii makes 11. At this point, I think it's official - if she doesn't win Ohio and Texas, and win them BIG, she's done.

 

[robinb]

I was number 900 at my polling place at around 4:45 pm, and was surprised at how busy the polling places were. Normally the primaries get a pretty low turnout at the university.

Holy cow! Where did you vote? The Memorial Union was at 400ish when I left at 3:00. My own number was 811 at 7:00pm on the Isthmus.

I have worked the polls at the University (in the Paul Bunyan room) where we're lucky to get 20 people by noon!

 

[BuckyFan04]

I guess Wisconsin is just another of those insignificant states that have gone for Obama.

That's 10 in a row...and I think Hawaii makes 11. At this point, I think it's official - if she doesn't win Ohio and Texas, and win them BIG, she's done.

Well, I wouldn't say insignificant.... I think they were expecting a pretty close race here. But yeah, I agree that Hillary will be done if she doesn't win big in those two states.

 

[DISUNC]

Well, I wouldn't say insignificant.... I think they were expecting a pretty close race here. But yeah, I agree that Hillary will be done if she doesn't win big in those two states.

BIG

 

[BuckyFan04]

Holy cow! Where did you vote? The Memorial Union was at 400ish when I left at 3:00. My own number was 811 at 7:00pm on the Isthmus.

I have worked the polls at the University (in the Paul Bunyan room) where we're lucky to get 20 people by noon!

I voted at the Porch Light dining room at Brooks and Johnson St. I was really surprised that I was #900. Usually when I vote in the primaries around that time I'm around number 100 or even lower. It was nice to see such a big turnout.

 

[NewJersey]

Sorry to just jump into this thread, but....
I voted at the UW today. I was already registered so I got to skip the line and vote right away. I was number 900 at my polling place at around 4:45 pm, and was surprised at how busy the polling places were. Normally the primaries get a pretty low turnout at the university.

I am expecting Obama to win Wisconsin. After Obama spoke here at the university last week, everyone who went to see him was so fired up about him. The Kohl Center (where he spoke) was full to capacity, and many people waited 2 hours in some other room, and he spoke to them afterwards. He seems to have gained a lot of momentum in Wisconsin...his ads are being played on TV twice in every commercial break, it seems.

Its great to see how involved people are getting, especially our generation.

 

[NewJersey]

I guess Wisconsin is just another of those insignificant states that have gone for Obama.

That's 10 in a row...and I think Hawaii makes 11. At this point, I think it's official - if she doesn't win Ohio and Texas, and win them BIG, she's done.

Just more "second-class" delegates.

The debate on thursday is going to be a blood bath.