The large number of new Aulani resale contracts??

[AstroBlasters]

Why would anyone pay $35 to $40 a point for value room when you could pay $15 to $20 a point for sleep around points and get standard view or even savanah view cheaper? The value studios are a good use of points being something like 40% cheaper then standard but if you’re paying over $30 a point for it youre paying more to get a smaller room.

Because it’s still a lot cheaper than cash prices and most renters aren’t planning 7-11 months out…

 

[Philsfan77]

Why would anyone pay $35 to $40 a point for value room when you could pay $15 to $20 a point for sleep around points and get standard view or even savanah view cheaper? The value studios are a good use of points being something like 40% cheaper then standard but if you’re paying over $30 a point for it youre paying more to get a smaller room.

Because a non-member has no idea what anything you just said means. They just see a room at a deluxe resort for $296 a night, but they don't know that room only requires 8 points to book it, so they pay $37 a point to a rental broker and it's still cheaper than Disney pricing.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Why would anyone pay $35 to $40 a point for value room when you could pay $15 to $20 a point for sleep around points and get standard view or even savanah view cheaper? The value studios are a good use of points being something like 40% cheaper then standard but if you’re paying over $30 a point for it youre paying more to get a smaller room.

Renters dont know what sleep around points are. Renters tend to want the cheapest way to get a room. Even with the price per point being higher the room overall is still cheaper at times. Confirmed reservations are listed as a $ amount for the stay not on a cost per point basis. So the renter usually doesnt even know what they are paying per point.

 

[VGCgroupie]

I’m not sure why you are being so combative about this.

Someone made some a playful educated guess about input variables, which are not wildly unreasonable based on the prices many of us have paid for AUL and AUL-S and the current rental market, and I ran a quick TVM based on those back of the napkin assumptions. It was all in good fun as we had previously stated we would not be buying right now without understanding if someone knows something we don’t (I.E there is wisdom in markets).

I didn’t buy my AUL points to rent out and I wouldn’t buy a timeshare to rent out. Part of that is because of the risks that you have correctly pointed out about with regards to changes in company enforcement of commercial renters, local regulations on short term rentals, categorization of renting time share points, taxes, etc.

But, I feel that you are coming way over the top here and I’m not sure why you feel the need to do so.

Yeah I really saw it as being playful not that you were heading off to "invest" or recommending anyone else to do so.

 

[atthebeachclub]

Having a bot do you work for you makes renting so much more lucrative, so I agree that alone would help immensely.

I honestly want my own bot to book my vacations so I can sleep in. lol. Not going to lie, I have considered learning how to do this to book my BLT standard 1 or 2 bedroom since it seems those get walked. Don’t worry I am not going to…but the extra sleep is awfully lucrative.

 

[VGCgroupie]

I grew up in a house with a single Mom and 3 siblings, so the only money I had to spend was money that I went out and earned.

Here are some of my lower paying jobs:

1) Local paper delivery.
2) Lawn mowing.
3) Marshals, Target, JC Penny, Abercrombie
4) Work study in college: mail delivery and on campus gym office job
5) Movie theatre

I get what you are saying…. it’s not a job that most people would aspire to. I just think that as a general principle I don’t want to be looking down on someone based on what job they do. I’m grateful that they are getting up and going to work instead of relying on the government to take care of them.

I understand that many people don’t have a choice on getting a job (my sister is legally disabled), but I respect the ones that do because I respect work ethic.

<AstroBlasters steps off his soapbox and apologies for getting on it in the first place>

Me wondering if you were one of the ones who stood outside the store

 

[Leight19]

Because it’s still a lot cheaper than cash prices and most renters aren’t planning 7-11 months out…

Because a non-member has no idea what anything you just said means. They just see a room at a deluxe resort for $296 a night, but they don't know that room only requires 8 points to book it, so they pay $37 a point to a rental broker and it's still cheaper than Disney pricing.

I understand these points but at end of day if they are posting akv value that high others could undercut them with just standard rooms and someone looking at prices wouldn’t go higher. Now it’s possible the confirmed reservations in general just go for more but in past I believe math for other studios were even better from Disney price to point perspective. I haven’t checked in years but something like September poly I recall being much better price per point even then akv value. Akv value is good from absolute point perspective and value is much better then standard for studio akv but in general akv doenst have that great of a point to cost ratio compared to rack rates from what I recall.

 

[VGCgroupie]

I honestly want my own bot to book my vacations so I can sleep in. lol. Not going to lie, I have considered learning how to do this to book my BLT standard 1 or 2 bedroom since it seems those get walked. Don’t worry I am not going to…but the extra sleep is awfully lucrative.

Same. In the voice of Veruca Salt. "I want a bot and I want it now"

 

[atthebeachclub]

So the one broker has some of the listings on a flash sale today. More reasonable pricing.

Cash only though. And I am out of cash now (THANKS, DVC).

 

[Sandisw]

I'm still a bit new here but what is the reasoning behind what broker is or isn't allowed to be discussed by name? I see in various posts people describe certain brokers in so many words without saying the name. Is there a difference between saying Sun and that bright thing in the sky?

The owners of this site have made decisions that none of us are privy to. The rules require posters to use the link to any business they want to discuss.
If you don’t, and the business is in the boards filter, warning issued, and post deleted.
If a broker is filtered and you try to get around it by using hints, names, etc…then it’s against the rules and the same thing happens.

Now, we do let names of business stay sometimes without links because we are aware it’s not a filtered site, but it’s still the responsibility of the poster to know and why posting a link is always wise.

Here are the specifics:

Thread 'PLEASE post a link to any business or site you wish to mention or discuss'
https://www.disboards.com/threads/p...-site-you-wish-to-mention-or-discuss.3821848/

 

[atthebeachclub]

The owners of this site have made decisions that none of us are privy to. The rules require posters to use the link to any business they want to discuss.
If you don’t, and the business is in the boards filter, warning issued, and post deleted.
If a broker is filtered and you try to get around it by using hints, names, etc…then it’s against the rules and the same thing happens.

Now, we do let names of business stay sometimes without links because we are aware it’s not a filtered site, but it’s still the responsibility of the poster to know and why posting a link is always wise.

Here are the specifics:

Thread 'PLEASE post a link to any business or site you wish to mention or discuss'
https://www.disboards.com/threads/p...-site-you-wish-to-mention-or-discuss.3821848/

As much as I don’t love the rules, it is worth it to follow them because this is the very best place for mostly unfiltered DVC info.

 

[VGCgroupie]

I understand these points but at end of day if they are posting akv value that high others could undercut them with just standard rooms and someone looking at prices wouldn’t go higher. Now it’s possible the confirmed reservations in general just go for more but in past I believe math for other studios were even better from Disney price to point perspective. I haven’t checked in years but something like September poly I recall being much better price per point even then akv value. Akv value is good from absolute point perspective and value is much better then standard for studio akv but in general akv doenst have that great of a point to cost ratio compared to rack rates from what I recall.

I saw a listing for $1600 for 3 nights in Aulani Hotel room premium holiday. 6 nights in the summer $2600. That is a bangin deal and cannot touch a deal for a studio or 1 bed.

 

[Sandisw]

Final reminder! I had to delete several posts that were off topic and not appropriate.

If we can’t discuss what is happening with the increase in Aulani contracts without following the rules regarding discussing businesses, the thread will be closed.

 

[ocdb8r1]

The owners of this site have made decisions that none of us are privy to. The rules require posters to use the link to any business they want to discuss.
If you don’t, and the business is in the boards filter, warning issued, and post deleted.
If a broker is filtered and you try to get around it by using hints, names, etc…then it’s against the rules and the same thing happens.

Now, we do let names of business stay sometimes without links because we are aware it’s not a filtered site, but it’s still the responsibility of the poster to know and why posting a link is always wise.

Here are the specifics:

Thread 'PLEASE post a link to any business or site you wish to mention or discuss'
https://www.disboards.com/threads/p...-site-you-wish-to-mention-or-discuss.3821848/

Admittedly I didn't understand the rules. I thought I was just supposed to not try to mask or trick the system into NOT blocking out a restricted business....I thought the point of the filter was I was to just post the name and let the filter block it out if not allowed. I think what I did wrong was not post one of the business names as a "link" (I just typed out the title of the business). Not intentional and I think I understand how to proceed moving forward.

 

[ocdb8r1]

But, I feel that you are coming way over the top here and I’m not sure why you feel the need to do so.

I didn't feel I was being over the top at all (nor was that my intention). I simply wanted to post an opposing viewpoint...your approach seems to be saying the post wasn't that serious so no one should bother posting an opposing view?

 

[Sandisw]

Admittedly I didn't understand the rules. I thought I was just supposed to not try to mask or trick the system into NOT blocking out a restricted business....I thought the point of the filter was I was to just post the name and let the filter block it out if not allowed. I think what I did wrong was not post one of the business names as a "link" (I just typed out the title of the business). Not intentional and I think I understand how to proceed moving forward.

Yes, you post thr link and let the filter do its job. But, when you know a site is blocked you can not then share information about them that allows others to know who it is…ir names, things found in their site, etc.

For example, if someone say which broker did you use and you post the link and its filter, no issues.

If you do that and then follow up with the names of the agents or other clues that help someone figure it out, then not.

For everyone, and to be blunt, the problem here is that the speculation of who is the owner of these contract is is being hinted at one who we know can’t be discussed.

 

[disneylandtour]

Because a non-member has no idea what anything you just said means. They just see a room at a deluxe resort for $296 a night, but they don't know that room only requires 8 points to book it, so they pay $37 a point to a rental broker and it's still cheaper than Disney pricing.

Exactly!

 

[VGCgroupie]

Yes, you post thr link and let the filter do its job. But, when you know a site is blocked you can not then share information about them that allows others to know who it is…ir names, things found in their site, etc.

For example, if someone say which broker did you use and you post the link and its filter, no issues.

If you do that and then follow up with the names of the agents or other clues that help someone figure it out, then not.

For everyone, and to be blunt, the problem here is that the speculation of who is the owner of these contract is is being hinted at one who we know can’t be discussed.

So can I say one of the brokers with these listings if I dont go onto further detail? There are 3 that have increased listings.

 

[Genie+]

Because it’s still a lot cheaper than cash prices and most renters aren’t planning 7-11 months out…

Right. At a certain point in time the $30pp AKJ value studio rental becomes a good option compared to what else is left.

Shoot, we sold a BWV Mon and Tues night at near $39pp in May. $702 for us and broker tacked another $116 to the reservation, so it was bought at $408/nt. A few months out it still beat all the other comparable options. Swolphin more expensive, BC/RIV sold out, Values and Moderates not considerably cheaper for giving up location, nearby amenities, and access to EP and MK EEH.

It was a great way for us save orphaned banked and borrowed points from previously changing trips but I’d gladly give up that ability if it meant DVC brought the hammer down on commercial renting. Was a learning experience in a few ways to see the many advantages ‘for profit’ DVC use held over personal use. While we would be reluctant to book those dates in our banking window for ourselves because we don’t travel in summer, we held no risk waiting because we still had 3.5 months to reschedule a back-up rental date. I could’ve even waited until the days before the reservation because at that point ‘holding’ is not much different. I’d still find something to at least recoup my expenses. While I personally wouldn’t want to use my points like that, it works great for non-personal use. I had the whole summer to find another reservation to rent if this high priced one failed.

The more somebody rents for profit, the more they’ll learn about where and how to milk the system. It’s totally different from the way casual owners use the system. I would not mind if DVC reacted. They have to leave the ability to rent open. They in no way need to protect the potential though. If changes were made that limited extent of profits, so be it. My bet is this does impact the club for personal use owners. Only DVC knows the extent but I see enough with my own eyes to think it’s more than most assume.

 

[Sandisw]

So can I say one of the brokers with these listings if I dont go onto further detail? There are 3 that have increased listings.

If you talk in general about brokers…there are several brokers whose AUl contracts have increased, that’s fine.

If you want to say ****** (a filtered site) has 25 contracts for sale and they range from $100 to $110 a point, you can’t because you are now sharing information posted to that site.

Basically if we can’t go to that site to verify what you are saying, don’t post the information. I hope this helps.