The horse is dead!

[Tidus]

I have to say that I think Americans are often very generous. I for one wish this topic would go away once and for all! The world has a lot more problems then this, so I'm sorry if many people don't feel that strongly about others "working the Disney Dining System". It is not because we are immoral, but there are too many things too worry about and this just doesn't make the top of the list for most of us. I think people post on this topic to purposely get things heated because it does make good reading! Personally it takes up too much of my "ride" time, to eat more than 1 TS meal a day. I would actually like a couple of days w/out any, but until Disney themselves, puts the Child/adult credits into effect, people will do what they want with the credits. I do however, feel that the majority of people are just looking to share a few adult meals w/ another adult (say a 10 yr.old child).

 

[Sammie]

I have to say that I think Americans are often very generous. I for one wish this topic would go away once and for all! The world has a lot more problems then this, so I'm sorry if many people don't feel that strongly about others "working the Disney Dining System". It is not because we are immoral, but there are too many things too worry about and this just doesn't make the top of the list for most of us. I think people post on this topic to purposely get things heated because it does make good reading! Personally it takes up too much of my "ride" time, to eat more than 1 TS meal a day. I would actually like a couple of days w/out any, but until Disney themselves, puts the Child/adult credits into effect, people will do what they want with the credits. I do however, feel that the majority of people are just looking to share a few adult meals w/ another adult (say a 10 yr.old child).

I agree about the ride time. We are doing Signature to use up our TS instead of trying to save them for more meals. I don't want to spend alot of time waiting to eat.

As to sharing I think the issues have become clouded and personally I think some of those in favor of sharing are doing the clouding and pot stirring. I think most who have been misquoted, do not have a problem with parents sharing with kids, too much food etc.

If Disney has a problem they will let the guest know, it can't be done. The sharing discussion started because someone contacted Disney and posted their response. It might be a good idea for some to re-read those postings. Other such as myself "tried" to explain why Disney might stop sharing. I personally never said it was evil.

Based on conversation with friends that work for Disney, their concern is not sharing within a plan with those members on that plan, but sharing outside the plan with someone not on it. There is a huge difference.

 

[bstnsprts]

No one knew it was Disney and they got the land DIRT cheap and now pay taxes at an AGRICULTURAL rate (reported by WFLA - channel 8 Tampa). If you know your tax system, agricultural land is taxed at a HUGH discount off of commerical tax rate. Now who's playing the real game.

If Disney was to stop working and gaming the tax system, imagine what the cost of your vacation would be. Disney also saves money by exploiting loopholes and gaming the system. The above OP is correct and if you doubt this it is public record. Maybe your friends could fill you in on how Disney's games and uses loopholes. I wonder how many "political contributions" and back room dealings were involved to set up ME at MCO. As far as passing on costs, there's only so munch of that Disney can do. After all if it wasn't for the fact they can't fill their hotels and restaurants do to ever increasing competition, they wouldn't be offering any deals at all. Supply and demand will dictate their price structure. If Disney does decide to change DDP, or raises cost a bit and the plan isn't right for you, I believe I've read a few times in these threads that the plan isn't for everyone.

I don't think everyone is worried about protecting Disney. I am postive they are capable of doing that themselves. I am concerned about the inconvenience, the lack of enjoyment during my vacation and my money, that is affected when people work a system by abusing it.

The cost of the fix for a loophole is passed on to me. It is also passed onto those that caused Disney to fix it. Which is what I find so amusing. People talk about using the plan to save money and everytime they do something that is against what Disney has planned, they are only going to end up costing themselves money too.

 

[punkin]

If Disney was to stop working and gaming the tax system, imagine what the cost of your vacation would be. Disney also saves money by exploiting loopholes and gaming the system. The above OP is correct and if you doubt this it is public record. Maybe your friends could fill you in on how Disney's games and uses loopholes. I wonder how many "political contributions" and back room dealings were involved to set up ME at MCO.

Completely OT, but the taxi drivers and limo owners were complaining that ME is driving them out of business. I have a feeling that as soon as there is no alternative to ME other than rental cars, Disney will start charging for the service.

 

[disney2d2]

I agree about the ride time. We are doing Signature to use up our TS instead of trying to save them for more meals. I don't want to spend alot of time waiting to eat.

And in that statement sir, lies your fault. Not everyone thinks alike, or visits WDW the way you do. Some people just like walking around the parks, taking a ride or two and visiting multiple restaurants etc. People are different. I have been called cheap, and I'll take that. But just think about it, do you see any one opposing your view point labeling you "stupid people who waste food and money"?

As to sharing I think the issues have become clouded and personally I think some of those in favor of sharing are doing the clouding and pot stirring. I think most who have been misquoted, do not have a problem with parents sharing with kids, too much food etc.

Clouding and pot stirring? Speaking for myself, I am just trying to know others opinions on how I intend to use my dining credits, and seek like minds who have used them in such a way.

If Disney has a problem they will let the guest know, it can't be done. The sharing discussion started because someone contacted Disney and posted their response. It might be a good idea for some to re-read those postings. Other such as myself "tried" to explain why Disney might stop sharing. I personally never said it was evil.

I posted the CMs response. It's from an online chat with a reservation support CM, and I just wanted to know if what she said was correct, apparently not, as many have concurred. If Disney has regulation against it, I will understand. But if I was paying OOP for a meal (Disney or not) I would share my food. So naturally I don't see a problem with doing it on the DDP.

Based on conversation with friends that work for Disney, their concern is not sharing within a plan with those members on that plan, but sharing outside the plan with someone not on it. There is a huge difference.

You have said the same line in more than one other thread. Pardon me, but I have yet to see any official words on this from Disney. So unless your friend is a manager at a Disney restaurant who has instructed all his staff to prevent people from sharing, or checking everyone IDs to make sure they are on the plan, I don't think what he said affects me or anyone else.

 

[minnie61650]

Linda, I just wanted to point out that nowhere in the disney literature I received did it say that you couldn't use the credits as you want, although it does say that children must eat a child meal when offered. We routinely used 2 for breakfast and 2 for lunches (normally) and shared since my children a) don't like anything on the kids menus and b) there was just WAY too much food and had we all got meals we would have been throwing food away.
At TS restaurants where my children could order adult entrees we only ever ordered one for them to share, as it would have again been too much food.
For my family we may not do the DP next time simply because we would be limited to mainly buffets for TS since we have children with adult tastes!
Lying about your child's age, bringing a refillable mug back, etc. are completely different issues imo.
Hope this thread stays civil!

I have no problems (and I am hoping Disney also has no problem) with families sharing meals with other family members who are also on the plan.
The part about the child's credit being used for an adult refers to this Q and A on page 5 of the dining brochure.

http://adisneyworld.disney.go.com/m...gespecific/eng/nontheme/tickets/MYWDining.pdf

Q. Can adults use child meal entitlements?
A. Sorry, meal entitlements cannot be shared between adults and children age 3-9.

That was the rule to which I was referring.

Thanks for hoping this thread stays civil.

 

[calypso*a*go-go]

Here's the deal: Everybody knows what the rules are. The people that are going to use Child credits for Adult meals are going to do it no matter what is said on any of these threads. Period! So why keep beating a dead horse? There are those that will take advantage of every loophole they can find and it's really up to Disney to straighten this whole mess out. To me, the only solution is to not pool the credits...put each guests credits on their resort I.D. card and specifically print on the card whether it is a child or adult. Then it's up to the servers to verify whose meal it is and deduct the credits accordingly. No "child" card should ever be swiped to pay for an adult meal. You want to pay for your child's meal OOP...fine, go ahead, but you might end up with some unused credits at the end of your stay. You want to lie about your child's age to get the adult free DDP...fine, you'll pay adult prices on the park tickets as well.

Honestly, Disney needs to put a stop to this nonsense and do it NOW!

 

[punkin]

To me, the only solution is to not pool the credits

Boy is that right. Until that happens I will do whatever Disney allows. Untill Disney unpools the credits all these threads are just

 

[JimMIA]

it's really up to Disney to straighten this whole mess out. To me, the only solution is to not pool the credits...put each guests credits on their resort I.D. card and specifically print on the card whether it is a child or adult.

If we clear away all the sniping back and forth, we'll see that there have really only been two sharing issues raised here. One is the practice -- taking advantage of a loophole, often with the active encouragement of Disney CMs -- of using child credits for adult meals...which also happens to be the main issue in OP's original post.

Disney could have stopped that in an instant, but instead of doing so, they chose to let it go for a while. Now they have revised the brochure to say it is not allowed, and servers enforcing it can't be far behind. I really think using child credits for adult meals is dead...as it should be.

The more difficult question is sharing adult credits. Is it allowed or not? It is currently apparently allowed in the restaurants, but in their emails, they'll tell you it's not. Inconsistency from Disney? Who'da thunk it?

We have heard from Sammie (who DOES have close connections to folks high up in the food chain at WDW, BTW) that Disney is concerned about part of the sharing. Not sharing among US -- people participating in the dining plan -- but participants in the dining plan sharing with those who are not participants. The obvious issue there for Disney is someone getting a room or two at a value resort, putting the whole clan off-site, and then attempting to feed the entire hoard on Disney's nickel. IF that is Disney's main issue -- and I have no reason to think it is not -- it is something they could stop instantly, just by asking for room keys from anyone who's eating on the dining plan.

My prediction? Disney will not stop any of the adult-to-adult sharing.

I fearlessly predict they will take the path of least resistance -- they'll raise the price of the paid dining plan and raise the room rates during free dining to compensate for whatever they feel they're losing. No muss, no fuss, no nasty confrontations with an entire herd of cheaters who are really tent-camping in Ocala National Forest, but claim rights to the dining plan.

I'd much rather Disney stop those who are cheating them and leave the rest of us alone, but that's not the Disney way. It's a lot easier to market than enforce, and they are good at marketing. Plus...they'll make more money that way.

 

[minnie61650]

Boy is that right. Until that happens I will do whatever Disney allows. Untill Disney unpools the credits all these threads are just

Why?
Why do you not choose to follow a simple rule?
Is it the thrill of breaking a rule and seeing if you get away it?
Is it that you think Disney costs too much and you are trying to save money by bending or breaking a posted rule?
Do you simple enjoy antagonizing others on a forum board?
Are you completely anti-rules?
Or just anti-Disney rules?

I am not trying flame you.
And I am not trying to pick on you.
I just do not understand why you feel the do.
Sometime it seems to me that you are completely anti-Disney.
Maybe you begrudge Disney because in order to get the DDP you have stay onsite and pay rack rates to boot.
I don't know I'm just guessing because I don't understand.
The reason I wrote this thread was because I wanted to really find out why some think breaking a rule is a big game.

A few have tried to answer my question and I wish to thank them.
I would also like to thank everyone for keeping this thread civil and I hope it will remain civil.
Thanks to all!

 

[TnKrBeLlA012]

Cheating starts from big companies down. Some of the biggest cheaters are the wealthiest. Now is it fair to set those kinds of standards in your own home? I would answer the question with a firm NO. Do I feel Disney is suffering from mug refills,or someone lying about their kids age? NO! I'm sure they know people will take advantage of something. So to offset the problem they raise the price to ensure they get their proper take. I would not loose sleep over this issue. Disney knows what they are doing. I'm sure they are making it up somewhere!!

 

[punkin]

Why?
Why do you not choose to follow a simple rule?
Is it the thrill of breaking a rule and seeing if you get away it?
Is it that you think Disney costs too much and you are trying to save money by bending or breaking a posted rule?
Do you simple enjoy antagonizing others on a forum board?
Are you completely anti-rules?
Or just anti-Disney rules?

Well, let's see if I can do this point by point.

I do not believe Disney has set out a "simple rule." They have told some people "no sharing" and allowed others to share (and in fact encouraged it)

No thrill because there is no rule. See explanation above.

I can afford my vacation, thank you very much. I do like to get my money's worth. Again, there really is no rule.

Yes, I enjoy antagonizing people on the forums. Particularly if they are constitutionally incapable of seeing more than one side of an issue.

Again, in my opinion there is no rule.

You start with a faulty premise with which I disagree; namely that Disney has a rule against sharing. I will restate (for the 6th time in this post) that there is no such rule. It is not in the brochure and Disney enforcement is nonexistant.

You obviously made up your own rules and it amazes me that you expect me to follow them.

Oh, by the way, I'm not flaming you.

 

[bstnsprts]

Why?
Why do you not choose to follow a simple rule?
Is it the thrill of breaking a rule and seeing if you get away it?
Is it that you think Disney costs too much and you are trying to save money by bending or breaking a posted rule?
Do you simple enjoy antagonizing others on a forum board?
Are you completely anti-rules?
Or just anti-Disney rules?

I am not trying flame you.
And I am not trying to pick on you.
I just do not understand why you feel the do.
Sometime it seems to me that you are completely anti-Disney.
Maybe you begrudge Disney because in order to get the DDP you have stay onsite and pay rack rates to boot.
I don't know I'm just guessing because I don't understand.
The reason I wrote this thread was because I wanted to really find out why some think breaking a rule is a big game.

A few have tried to answer my question and I wish to thank them.
I would also like to thank everyone for keeping this thread civil and I hope it will remain civil.
Thanks to all!

Boy is that right. Until that happens I will do whatever Disney allows. Untill Disney unpools the credits all these threads are just

Minnie, this last quote from Punkin pretty munch sums it up. You can't have a rule saying that Adult and Child DDP credits are separate, then at check in provide pooled credits, and accept them that way when using the credits to pay for a TS or CS. Child credits, adult credits still do not exists, only total credits. It would be like Disney deciding that you were only going to receive a snack credit every other day, then at check in giving you one each day. Your stay is 8 nights, here's 8 snack credits, but the new brochure says you only have four. Well if they give me 8, I'm using 8. If they give me pooled credits, I'm using pooled credits. Plain and simple it is Disney's responsibility to separate the credits if that's what they desire. Until then people should feel free to use them as Disney is providing them, pooled. They are not stealing, Disney is providing them that way. You can't steal something that is given to you. When they do separate the credits, there will be no more debate on pooled credits. Hope this helps explain the other side of the argument. Is it exploiting a loophole or gaming, yes, is it illegal or cheating, no.

 

[copper0426]

[I have no problems (and I am hoping Disney also has no problem) with families sharing meals with other family members who are also on the plan.
The part about the child's credit being used for an adult refers to this Q and A on page 5 of the dining brochure.

http://adisneyworld.disney.go.com/m...gespecific/eng/nontheme/tickets/MYWDining.pdf

Q. Can adults use child meal entitlements?
A. Sorry, meal entitlements cannot be shared between adults and children age 3-9.

That was the rule to which I was referring.

HARK... I do believe I hear a rule ringing I that sentence right from the brochure.
What other side is there to that, other than to ignore it for convenience.
I don't get the harsh feelings toward the OP here why so defensive it is just a question to try to understand what other people are thinking.
Tony

 

[JimMIA]

In fairness, I don't believe I have seen a post from punkin or any of his/her supporters saying they did not, or would not, follow Disney rules. I could well have missed one, but I don't recall seeing them post that. On the contrary, what I HAVE seen, is them saying they would follow Disney rules if they knew what they were. I don't often agree with punkin, but I agree on this one point.

The adult-child rule was only recently announced (this week, I think). Prior to that change, using a child credit for an adult meal was actively encouraged by Disney CMs, and was not prohibited by the published rules.

On the other issue -- sharing between consenting adults -- I have yet to see any consistent position by Disney. As far as I can tell, there is a "concern" about one aspect of that sharing, but I have not seen any consistent position. I've seen emails where they said no, and I've seen abundant evidence that they permit it. In fact, there is a very detailed trip report here about how one of our members very successfully shared meals just about every place they visited.

I really don't see people trying to beat the system to the extent OP does. I see a lot of confusion about what the rules are (if any), and typical Disney sloppiness in developing, explaining, and enforcing the rules.

 

[minnie61650]

You start with a faulty premise with which I disagree; namely that Disney has a rule against sharing. I will restate (for the 6th time in this post) that there is no such rule. It is not in the brochure and Disney enforcement is nonexistant.
Oh, by the way, I'm not flaming you.

If you read my first post on this thread you will see I never said that Disney had a rule against sharing.

Others may have said that but I did not.

The DDP rule I was refering to in this thread is the one posted on page 5 of the DDP.

http://adisneyworld.disney.go.com/m...gespecific/eng/nontheme/tickets/MYWDining.pdf


Q. Can adults use child meal entitlements?
A. Sorry, meal entitlements can not be shared between adults and children age 3-9.

So if your only issue is you wish a meal with DH then as long as your waiter says OK then I say go for it!

 

[Deebo]

On the other issue -- sharing between consenting adults -- I have yet to see any consistent position by Disney. As far as I can tell, there is a "concern" about one aspect of that sharing, but I have not seen any consistent position. I've seen emails where they said no, and I've seen abundant evidence that they permit it. In fact, there is a very detailed trip report here about how one of our members very successfully shared meals just about every place they visited.

That part just cracked me up.

 

[punkin]

You know, I believe I have spelled out my reasoning on MANY threads, including this one, as has bstnsprts. Any further explanation will also be ignored. Just consider me a cheater and the showpiece of a new lawless society. If you can only see in black and white where your opinion is always right, there is really no point in explaining.

See you all at Disney, where I will be sharing TS meals with my family and enjoying my vacation.

 

[minnie61650]

You know, I believe I have spelled out my reasoning on MANY threads, including this one, as has bstnsprts. Any further explanation will also be ignored. Just consider me a cheater and the showpiece of a new lawless society. If you can only see in black and white where your opinion is always right, there is really no point in explaining.

See you all at Disney, where I will be sharing TS meals with my family and enjoying my vacation.

I am a rule follower. If there are rules which I think are unfair I will try my best to get the rules changed but I will not bend or break them.

I don't only see black and white in issues which is why I was trying to understand your views. I really can see both sides on lots of issues and even if I do not agree with others I will usually respect their opinions and agree to disagree. I do not think of you as cheater or a lawless person. That would be very wrong of me to think that way.


I try to understand and respect other peoples views.

I just do not understand your views and I guess I will just have to let it drop.

I hope you and your family have a funfilled vacation at Disney!

Edited to add... I am very sorry but I spend most of my time on the resorts board and I have only seen a few of your posts on this board when I pop in out I just don't recall coming across your reasoning about your opinions. Please accept my apology for asking you about your opinions again in this thread.
I did not know you already posted your reasons many times.

Peace

 

[JLS]

I think it is classic that people here think that the potential "exploitation" of one of the biggest and greediest corporations in the country is the best example of the problems in society today! I'm sure it would be heartwarming to the folks in Disney upper management to know the degree to which the people here at the DIS are constantly looking out for the best interests and making sure that the shareholders and executives' profits are maximized to the fullest dollar.