The Holocaust

[T.O'Brizzle]

Too bad it is happening again in Darfur though.

oh i know it's horrible.

 

[BabyPiglet]

Okaaaaayyy umm now...well....

Caitlin I am sorry I made a thread (in the past) that brought up some bad memories for you.

That was not the point of this thread. Back when this thread was made there was a lot of stuff in the news about tons of people not believing the Holocaust happened. I just wanted to know peoples opinions about what these people were saying.

Umm why don't we just let this thread fade....again.

 

[straightj23]

Well since I was about 10 years old I've been obsessed about books concerning Jewish people during the Holocaust. My favorite books were books from the eyes of the children. Some of my favorite were - The Diary of Anne Frank - Behind the Cuboard - Night - Dawn - Tell Me we remeber...

Anyway, I heard recently on the news that some people are specualting that The Holocaust didn't even happen. ???

Tell me what you think of the Holocaust...

It happened. That's all I know. I read "Night" for school my freshman year. I thought it was a good book for the most part, but I don't necessarily have an interest in history. Of course what happened was very bad, but it's all in the past in my opinion.

I am going on a band trip to Washington, D.C. near the beginning of next month and one of the things that we will be touring is the Holocaust Museum. Any of you guys been there?

 

[coolkidhann95]

I never really have cried about a tragedy (dont call me evil)
But wow one of my friends and her reading group were reading a diary of somebody who lived through the Holocaust and for a project they told about it. I had Never heard of it and they brought two books with a lot of pics of the Concentration Camps and some tears fell down my cheek.

The worst part was when I read that they tricked the Jews by saying they would take a nice hot shower. Wrong! the "showers" were poison gas chambers. And those who found out were shot. I cried on the inside when I read that.

 

[AllyGirlie]

My grandfather was taken by the Nazis when he was about 16. He never really talks about it and when he does, he's pretty vague..

My grandfather was born and raised in Mor, Hungary, and one day he and his friends were playing in the woods. When they were walking down the road, heading home, a truck full on Nazi soldiers pulled up next to them and stopped. The Nazis got out with their guns and told them to get in and he did (I mean what else are you supposed to do when you have guns pointed at you? It's either get in or be killed)

He doesn't really say what happens next but he said he ended up in Germany where he was forced labor. He was forced to dig holes which would soon become the mass graves for the dead. He never said how long he was there but he escaped. He said that he and another person, when they could, would sneak off to a secluded part of the fence that was never really patrolled and somehow would slowy cut holes in it. It was a long process but eventually they were able to break through one night. He said they ran through woods for a long time until they eventually reached a road. Once at the road, he and the other person went separate ways. He then said he walked for 2 days with no food and no shoes. One night he reached a farm and he broke into the barn to sleep for the night. In the morning the farmer came in and found him and my grandpa said he was terrified that he would send him back. But instead the farmer agreed to let him stay as a stable hand where he would receive a place to stay, food and a little money. It took him a little over 2 years before he had enough money to return home to Hungary.

Once he was home he and his family decided to come to the US where his aunt was living. And he's been here ever since.

It's very rare that he talks about this, but every once in a while he will say something about it. I think it's hard for him after all he was taken from his home and also lost one of his older brothers in the war.

I remember one day my aunt had a dead squirrel on her front doorstep (some pain in the a** kids though it would be funny). Anyways my aunt got my grandfather to get rid of it and bury it in the backyard. As he took the shovel to scoop it up, he was gagging and tearing up really badly. Of course when he was done my aunt began poking fun at him like, "what's your problem." I'll never forget what he said to her: "You haven't been through what I have. You've never seen dead bodies." That ended the conversation right there.

 

[pigletgirl]

My grandfather was taken by the Nazis when he was about 16. He never really talks about it and when he does, he's pretty vague..

My grandfather was born and raised in Mor, Hungary, and one day he and his friends were playing in the woods. When they were walking down the road, heading home, a truck full on Nazi soldiers pulled up next to them and stopped. The Nazis got out with their guns and told them to get in and he did (I mean what else are you supposed to do when you have guns pointed at you? It's either get in or be killed)

He doesn't really say what happens next but he said he ended up in Germany where he was forced labor. He was forced to dig holes which would soon become the mass graves for the dead. He never said how long he was there but he escaped. He said that he and another person, when they could, would sneak off to a secluded part of the fence that was never really patrolled and somehow would slowy cut holes in it. It was a long process but eventually they were able to break through one night. He said they ran through woods for a long time until they eventually reached a road. Once at the road, the and the other person went separate ways. He then said he walked for 2 days with no food and no shoes. One night he reached a farm and he broke into the barn to sleep for the night. In the morning the farmer came in and found him and my grandpa said he was terrified that he would send him back. But instead the farmer agreed to let him stay as a stable hand where he would receive a place to stay, food and a little money. It took him a little over 2 years before he had enough money to return home to Hungary.

Once he was home he and his family decided to come to the US where his aunt was living. And he's been here ever since.

It's very rare that he talks about this, but every once in a while he will say something about it. I think it's hard for him after all he was taken from his home and also lost one of his older brothers in the war.

I remember one day my aunt had a dead squirrel on her front doorstep (some pain in the a** kids though it would be funny). Anyways my aunt got my grandfather to get rid of it and bury it in the backyard. As he took the shovel to scoop it up, he was gagging and tearing up really badly. Of course when he was done my aunt began poking fun at him like, "what's your problem." I'll never forget what he said to her: "You haven't been through what I have. You've never seen dead bodies." That ended the conversation right there.

Wow, I'm always amazed with those kind of stories.

We have a holocaust survivor that lives down the street from me, and she's one of the strongest person I have ever met. The news about the middle east makes her very upset, along with any other kind of violence. She still has the numbers on her arm, and she refuses to take them off. It's just too painful for her to do that. She was the only one in her family to survive the camp. The rest of them were either shot or placed in a gas chamber. The only reason why she survived was because she hid, behind a train car, and then when it left, she crawled underneath it. Truly amazing, if you ask me.

 

[BabyPiglet]

Wow, I'm always amazed with those kind of stories.

We have a holocaust survivor that lives down the street from me, and she's one of the strongest person I have ever met. The news about the middle east makes her very upset, along with any other kind of violence. She still has the numbers on her arm, and she refuses to take them off. It's just too painful for her to do that. She was the only one in her family to survive the camp. The rest of them were either shot or placed in a gas chamber. The only reason why she survived was because she hid, behind a train car, and then when it left, she crawled underneath it. Truly amazing, if you ask me.

My grandfather was taken by the Nazis when he was about 16. He never really talks about it and when he does, he's pretty vague..

My grandfather was born and raised in Mor, Hungary, and one day he and his friends were playing in the woods. When they were walking down the road, heading home, a truck full on Nazi soldiers pulled up next to them and stopped. The Nazis got out with their guns and told them to get in and he did (I mean what else are you supposed to do when you have guns pointed at you? It's either get in or be killed)

He doesn't really say what happens next but he said he ended up in Germany where he was forced labor. He was forced to dig holes which would soon become the mass graves for the dead. He never said how long he was there but he escaped. He said that he and another person, when they could, would sneak off to a secluded part of the fence that was never really patrolled and somehow would slowy cut holes in it. It was a long process but eventually they were able to break through one night. He said they ran through woods for a long time until they eventually reached a road. Once at the road, he and the other person went separate ways. He then said he walked for 2 days with no food and no shoes. One night he reached a farm and he broke into the barn to sleep for the night. In the morning the farmer came in and found him and my grandpa said he was terrified that he would send him back. But instead the farmer agreed to let him stay as a stable hand where he would receive a place to stay, food and a little money. It took him a little over 2 years before he had enough money to return home to Hungary.

Once he was home he and his family decided to come to the US where his aunt was living. And he's been here ever since.

It's very rare that he talks about this, but every once in a while he will say something about it. I think it's hard for him after all he was taken from his home and also lost one of his older brothers in the war.

I remember one day my aunt had a dead squirrel on her front doorstep (some pain in the a** kids though it would be funny). Anyways my aunt got my grandfather to get rid of it and bury it in the backyard. As he took the shovel to scoop it up, he was gagging and tearing up really badly. Of course when he was done my aunt began poking fun at him like, "what's your problem." I'll never forget what he said to her: "You haven't been through what I have. You've never seen dead bodies." That ended the conversation right there.

Real stories like that and stories my grandfather tells me are way better than any made up fiction book.

 

[Sparkle_Cherry]

... Caitlin I am sorry I made a thread (in the past) that brought up some bad memories for you. ...

It's okay, I just wish this thread had never been revived. It seems like everyone just wants to put in their two-cents worth and a rewrite painful stories. We all know what happened, and I'm sure plenty of our ancestors went through the Holocaust. If it's so painful, why do we keep swapping horror stories? Just... please.

~Caitin

 

[Loves Disney]

It's okay, I just wish this thread had never been revived. It seems like everyone just wants to put in their two-cents worth and a rewrite painful stories. We all know what happened, and I'm sure plenty of our ancestors went through the Holocaust. If it's so painful, why do we keep swapping horror stories? Just... please.

~Caitin

I think there is finally an appropriate time to use this comment: If it pains you so much, don't open the thread.

We all understand the horror that took place...but it is part of History and something everyone should know about and understand. Should the world become this one place where everyone doubts whether this tragic event ever took place and then the stories of millions become only a myth and a fairytale?

I understand the gravity of this and so I mean it most respectfully, if you know what this thread is about and don't like it, don't read it.

 

[Sparkle_Cherry]

I think there is finally an appropriate time to use this comment: If it pains you so much, don't open the thread.

We all understand the horror that took place...but it is part of History and something everyone should know about and understand. Should the world become this one place where everyone doubts whether this tragic event ever took place and then the stories of millions become only a myth and a fairytale?

I understand the gravity of this and so I mean it most respectfully, if you know what this thread is about and don't like it, don't read it.

I can't, I can't believe people are still beating this topic to death. It's hard to know that people are still writing on this thread like show-and-tell time. Why can't we let it be and keep it in history class? Why was it dragged to the front page again?

We all still have to look at: ''The Holocaust'' every time we open the TB. I am seriously asking you, can we let the thread rest? Please?

~Caitlin

 

[Loves Disney]

I can't, I can't believe people are still beating this topic to death. It's hard to know that people are still writing on this thread like show-and-tell time. Why can't we let it be and keep it in history class? Why was it dragged to the front page again?

We all still have to look at: ''The Holocaust'' every time we open the TB. I am seriously asking you, can we let the thread rest? Please?

~Caitlin

"The Holocaust" is written all over this world. It's unavoidable. Adolf Hitler is THE most written about man of the 20th century. If people need to talk about it or are actually interested in an empathetic way to read about the Holocaust, why should they be devoided of that when someone else can merely skip over the thread?

 

[Sparkle_Cherry]

"The Holocaust" is written all over this world. It's unavoidable. Adolf Hitler is THE most written about man of the 20th century. If people need to talk about it or are actually interested in an empathetic way to read about the Holocaust, why should they be devoided of that when someone else can merely skip over the thread?

We all have our reasons, and I don't feel the need to explain mine to you. No hard feelings Caitlin, I still love you

If this is how it is, then I won't push anymore. I asked a question, and I guess it's answered.

Can you do me a favour Caitlin, and PM me when this thread is laid to rest again? You are completely right, and I don't think I can be around to watch this happen. Nothing personal, you're right, I shouldn't be around to watch this happen if I can't take it.

~Caitlin

 

[ursulaforever]

I am extreamely intrested in the holocaust. Anne Frank is my heroine. I
think holocaust deniers are very ignorant. The holocaust should never
happen again

 

[disney100666]

Have you ever seen Paper Clips? It's about these kids who did a project on th eholocaust. I LOVE that movie!

we watched it last year.

 

[Axel]

If you're interested in the Holocaust, a really good fiction book is "If I Should Die Before I Wake" and I can't remember the author. It's about a girl who belongs to a neo-nazi group (modern day times) and she is very anti-jewish, anti-gay, anti-blacks etc. but she gets into an accident and is taken to a Jewish hospital and she is "possesed" by memories of another life in a concentration camp during WWII. It's really touching.

Anyway, I'm just sick and tired of people focusing only on the Jews that were killed in the Holocaust. People rarely tend to know about the gypsies, the homosexuals, the mentally ********, the handicapped/disabled, the blacks, the jehovah's witnesses, and so on.

But what really gets me is that there are modern-day holocausts happening in Darfur, in Burma, in Rwanda (Hotel Rwanda is a really good movie), but people are so focused on the Holocaust of WWII, that they neglect what's happening today. We were discussing this in my AP History class and we were discussing ideals and morals, too. Our teacher challenged us to prove that our morals were any better than Hitler's. And he proved his point. It isn't just one person, it isn't just one belief, it isn't just one perspective, one country, one ruler- it's one world, filled with many different people, with many different ideas as to what's right and what's wrong. Hitler and the hardcore Nazis were in the percentage that had a different idea as to what was right and what was wrong. To them, they were only doing what they believed to be right. The rest of the world told them it was wrong.


And that's why I'm totally against the killing of things, people, animals, plants, ideas, etc. I may not agree, but I'll let you have your opinion.

 

[reminisce]

If you're interested in the Holocaust, a really good fiction book is "If I Should Die Before I Wake" and I can't remember the author. It's about a girl who belongs to a neo-nazi group (modern day times) and she is very anti-jewish, anti-gay, anti-blacks etc. but she gets into an accident and is taken to a Jewish hospital and she is "possesed" by memories of another life in a concentration camp during WWII. It's really touching.

Anyway, I'm just sick and tired of people focusing only on the Jews that were killed in the Holocaust. People rarely tend to know about the gypsies, the homosexuals, the mentally ********, the handicapped/disabled, the blacks, the jehovah's witnesses, and so on.

But what really gets me is that there are modern-day holocausts happening in Darfur, in Burma, in Rwanda (Hotel Rwanda is a really good movie), but people are so focused on the Holocaust of WWII, that they neglect what's happening today. We were discussing this in my AP History class and we were discussing ideals and morals, too. Our teacher challenged us to prove that our morals were any better than Hitler's. And he proved his point. It isn't just one person, it isn't just one belief, it isn't just one perspective, one country, one ruler- it's one world, filled with many different people, with many different ideas as to what's right and what's wrong. Hitler and the hardcore Nazis were in the percentage that had a different idea as to what was right and what was wrong. To them, they were only doing what they believed to be right. The rest of the world told them it was wrong.


And that's why I'm totally against the killing of things, people, animals, plants, ideas, etc. I may not agree, but I'll let you have your opinion.

agreed

 

[CastawayJ]

# the *'s is a book I read
and then they came for me is a play I saw


but did you know that, i think it's achmadinijad, denies the holocaust even happened

 

[BabyPiglet]

*blushes* I can't believe I used to write like that.

Anyways, this thread was made back in January. There really is no need to bring it back. =)

If you wanted to talk about the Holocaust, you could try making a thread about it. I'm sure you'll get lots of conversation on it.

 

[disney100666]

nvm

 

[BabyPiglet]

Uhm, that wasn't a flame and it was directed towards ursulaforever. =)