The Genie Usage, Tips and Strategy ONLY Thread

[thanxfornoticin]

I think rise will always be $15 until they decide to raise the ceiling on ILL.

If ROTR continues to sell out the ILL in a few hours, the price is going to go up. Disney is monitoring these attractions closely, and they'll be supply and demand driven, I'm sure. I could see older ILL attractions like SM and EE dropping prices because few buy them. But ROTR will likely go the other way in the immediate future - until that becomes one of the 'older' attractions and doesn't sell out ILL.

 

[persnickity]

SM does allow you to go past a portion of the line as a single rider - but it's not at the beginning of the queue, you have to wait a bit and then tell a CM that you are a single.

(I've never done it, but I've watched a lot of vlogger videos lately, lol.)

 

[leeniewdw]

Ahh--okay, so we think that if I made one at Hollywood Studios (depending on availability) at say 1:30--that would be okay, because I could still reserve one my 3rd one at 1 and keep it all going.

Yeah, this still works as long as the time's work I think. DISCLAIMER, I don't know any more than anyone else who hasn't been. But these exercises actually help me!

7am	grab a 10:45+ LL for MFSR	Stack = 1LL
8:30am	RD either SDD or TT/RRC
9-11am	Standby Rides
11:00am	Book HS LL2 for 1:15	Stack = 2LL
11:10am	Tap into MFSR	Stack = 1LL
11:11am	Book MK LL1 for post 2:30	Stack = 2LL
11:12-1:00	Standby Rides/Lunch
1:00pm	Book MK LL2 for post 2:30	Stack = 3LL
1:15pm	Tap into HS LL2 ride selected at 11am	Stack = 2LL
1:16pm	Book MK LL3 for 3:00+	Stack = 3LL
1:30pm	Depart HS for MK
2:00pm	Arrive at MK with 3 LLs	Stack = 3LL
2:00pm on	cycle the stack ride by ride always booking another LL before you tap into the next ride

And actually this is what post #257 is all about, IIRC they talked about maybe grabbing another HS ride but opted not to.

 

[thanxfornoticin]

I am sorry if this has been asked/answered before, but can both paid LL be purchased right away at 7am? I mean, you don’t have a two hour window in between booking those like you do with the regular genie+ rides do you?

That's a really good question. One clarification, though. You can only purchase the paid LL at 7AM if you are a resort guest. But I've not seen anything yet stating you can't purchase 2 at the same time.

 

[snikki]

If ROTR continues to sell out the ILL in a few hours, the price is going to go up. Disney is monitoring these attractions closely, and they'll be supply and demand driven, I'm sure. I could see older ILL attractions like SM and EE dropping prices because few buy them. But ROTR will likely go the other way in the immediate future - until that becomes one of the 'older' attractions and doesn't sell out ILL.

I’m sure it’s coming but for right now the max for ILL is $15. Once they raise the max Rise will stay at that max price every day of the year. It won’t have a weekday vs weekend pride like the rest of the rides seem to have.

 

[snikki]

I am sorry if this has been asked/answered before, but can both paid LL be purchased right away at 7am? I mean, you don’t have a two hour window in between booking those like you do with the regular genie+ rides do you?

They can both be booked at 7 am. They can overlap times or be booked at two different parks. There’s no 120 minute cool off.

 

[thanxfornoticin]

I’m sure it’s coming but for right now the max for ILL is $15. Once they raise the max Rise will stay at that max price every day of the year. It won’t have a weekday vs weekend pride like the rest of the rides seem to have.

I think you're right. It's selling out fast enough now, it doesn't seem to matter if it's weekday or weekend or holiday. Good point.

 

[MomDoc_99]

Since when has Space Mountain had a single rider line? I've ridden it many times over the years and only saw two lines: standby and what was then called the fastpass line.

Space Mountain at WDW has sort of a single rider line (at least they did pre-COVID). Once you get into the main room, you can tell a CM you are a single rider and they will direct you. You don't skip all of the line, but you can skip part of it.

 

[robinb]

SM does allow you to go past a portion of the line as a single rider - but it's not at the beginning of the queue, you have to wait a bit and then tell a CM that you are a single.

(I've never done it, but I've watched a lot of vlogger videos lately, lol.)

Sometimes the CMs will ask for a single ride at the final loading queue. Is that what you're talking about?

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

We will be going to the MK on Thursday. I am starting to understand the stacking. Is this the way to do it? We will have a 2 and 3 year old with us. At 7:00 get a ll for 11:30 at JC At 9:00 get a ll for somewhere in Fantasy Land. Rope drop and do as many rides in Fantasy Land a s possible. Lunch at 11:00. Over to JC and add a ll for rides near there. Keep stacking rides in that area then in the other lands. See about getting a 3rd ll. Not paying for any.

I suspect the easiest way to stack a third is around whenever you take lunch. Stacking only occurs when you have 120 minutes in between pulls. That seems most likely to occur based on a break you take to eat. I'm not sure that stacking a third is optimal strategy on a low crowd day when you arrive early if you've got two stacked and can keep pulling.

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

Can someone confirm this crucial first step in the Stacking strategy. If a park opens at 9am does the LL return you booked between 7am and 8:59 am (to create the first Stack) have to have a return window that starts after 11am, or can that return window start before 11am so long as you don’t tap into it until after you book another LL at 11am (to create the second Stack)?

The second is correct. People have reported making their first reservation for 10:55 AM and still being able to stack by not tapping into that first one until they've made the second one.

 

[persnickity]

I'm trying to strategize for a lengthy mid-day break (no hopping).

Before 9: Book 11ish JC
11am: book PP for around 2 or 3

Question: After booking the 2nd ride, could I cancel the JC and rebook it for later? Or will I lose it since I now have PP booked? It's a different slot, so I'm hopeful it could work, just can't remember if this has been tested.

 

[Cotta]

Since when has Space Mountain had a single rider line? I've ridden it many times over the years and only saw two lines: standby and what was then called the fastpass line.

Just watched this on Mr. Morrow... Space does not have a "single rider line" per se. But it does have a sign that says tell your attendant if you are single (Which don't they always ask anyway??) But Mr. Morrow did indeed skip a big portion of the line being a single rider.

 

[Disturbia]

Sometimes the CMs will ask for a single ride at the final loading queue. Is that what you're talking about?

They do that for FOP but that’s in the last 5-10 minutes of a 60 min wait

 

[Disturbia]

Just watched this on Mr. Morrow... Space does not have a "single rider line" per se. But it does have a sign that says tell your attendant if you are single (Which don't they always ask anyway??) But Mr. Morrow did indeed skip a big portion of the line being a single rider.

Single rider or single?

 

[Disturbia]

I'm trying to strategize for a lengthy mid-day break (no hopping).

Before 9: Book 11ish JC
11am: book PP for around 2 or 3

Question: After booking the 2nd ride, could I cancel the JC and rebook it for later? Or will I lose it since I now have PP booked? It's a different slot, so I'm hopeful it could work, just can't remember if this has been tested.

As long as you don’t tap into your 10:45-11:45 am JC pass you can book an late afternoon/evening PP pass (learned this just now).

 

[AnnaKristoff2013]

I think in this instance you loose stacking ability due to the overlap. Hence the limited amount of stacking you can do.

So if you want to hold 3 passes, and get one at 11 am, 1 pm and 3pm, your first late afternoon/evening pass has to be 3:10 pm onwards (you can enter ride 5 min early).

If you want to hold 4 passes, you need to get one at 11 am, 1 pm, 3 pm and 5 pm for 5:10 onwards (rare to have that late availability at 11 am; not advisable as you spent most of your day without using Genie+)

The only time I could see 4 stacks being both possible and the optimal strategy would be on Christmas week days when the parks are open until midnight but also incredibly crowded.

 

[wisblue]

Are people finding more availability with this than with FP+?

I loved FP+ but we barely utilized legacy FP due to the running around. It was too much with small kids. FP+ allowed me 3 rides a day which was probably 2 more rides than we used with legacy FP. We did FP+ in our PM park and we weren’t FP+ refreshers so rarely, if ever, did we get more than our initial 3. I feel with G+ we are going to be able to do more rides and save more time. Yes we have to pay now but time is money.

My immediate reaction to this is “It’s early”.

GLL+ is definitely more available now because (1) the parks haven’t been that crowded, and (2) Genie + is brand new and I would guess that a lower percentage of park guests aren’t using it, either because they don’t know about it, don’t know it works, aren’t willing or able to pay extra, or don’t think it’s necessary because standby lines haven’t been that long.

As crowds and standby lines grow, and more people decide there is value in Genie+, we might find that it will be difficult to get as much mileage out of Genie+ as we can today. Those “free” 3 scheduled FPs for headliner attractions at times we chose might look pretty good.

But, in the meantime, I intend to take full advantage of it.

 

[JakeAZ]

cycle the stack ride by ride always booking another LL before you tap into the next ride

This is very good advice, thanks!

 

[rmclain73]

One pro to the stacking aspect of Genie+ being difficult to wrap your head around at first is that your average park visitor will have no idea whats going on. Everyone on this forum will have a much greater advantage and get the most out of the $15.98 charge.