The debate board.. please read

[MaryAnnDVC]

Why, thank you Dan!! It does help to know the facts, when one wishes to debate them.

 

[emmagata]

I think it's pretty funny that the CBers think the DBers were nasty when at the same time you have a user named MeanLauren.

 

[N.Bailey]

I just wanted to say for users who are on dial-up, you can go into user CP at the top of your screen, then into edit options, from here you can check these boxes.


Thread View Options
Show user's signatures in their posts? yes no
Show user's avatar in their posts? yes no
Show image attachments and code in Posts?
Selecting no will show a hyperlink instead.

We just got cable in my town, but when I was on a dial-up, this really helped me load the pages a lot faster.

 

[Kelsie]

Originally posted by MaryAnnDVC
Why, thank you Dan!! It does help to know the facts, when one wishes to debate them.

<b>Debate with facts?? wow, I wonder if anyone would have any fun at all </b>

 

[AlanUK]

Hi,

Wow, I have not logged on for 24 hours and so much has changed

As someone who has recently joined and started posting I would like to say that I found the DB had a certain attraction and kept me logged into the site rather than just passing through a couple of times a day to see what had changed. I will miss it

I would hope that the few posts that I had started making were not seen by people to be too off the wall or trying to pick fights. The nature of debate is to take sides and argue opposing views which can get heated at times and I do feel that to debate successfully and enjoy it fully you can't be too 'thin skinned' (this is different to being 'thick skinned' IMHO).

I have enjoyed reading the opinions of the other DB'ers and found with the exception of a few obviously outrageous posters that the majority of people had well thought out and intelligent arguments, even if I didn't agree with them.

I do find myself wondering how permanent this move turns out to be. WA stated that he had surveyed the mods and found that they weren't moving a lot of posts to the debate board. Well if I am looking for an over 30's club in a street full of normal clubs and it's well signposted I don't chose one of the others. If the club owners do a poll and ask how many over 30's they've had to point in the right direction and they all decide it's none do they shut down the over 30's club?? Probably not if it is well used!! I know this isa terrible analogy but it gets my point across.

At the end of the day I agree that it's Pete's site and he can do what he likes with it but if this decision ends up degrading the enjoyment of the people who prefer to hang out on the other boards then maybe we'll se a reversal of opinion

I look forward to the future with interest.

See you all around.

Alan.

 

[BostonTigger]

Originally posted by WebmasterPenny
Hi BostonTigger

I'm sorry you felt we were having a war of words - I didn't mean to come across like that

It sounded to me like you were criticizing Alex (and he was taking some heat from other people too) for making the DB decision and I was just trying to make it clear that it wasn't just him and that he shouldn't be the sole focus of people's 'discontent'. It sounds like, from your later post, you may have been confusing him with Pete? (Who really can do anything he likes with these boards as they belong to him and is therefore 'his world').

Anyhow, I should really be thanking you now that you've brought to light Alex's nefarious plans for a hostile takeover - don't think you are fooling me with that innocent look Alex...

Ah, don't worry about it Penny... it's already forgotten. I shouldn't have let it get to me, but for some reason it struck a chord. Yea, about mixing Alex up with Pete....Sorry Alex! You know, at some point I did realiz that I had confused Alex with Pete, and I sat there and thought to myself, "Oops, maybe if I ignore it people won't notice?!" And as for the hostile take over... no problem. I saw Alex hiding in the shadows. Thought you could get away with it huh Alex? Just Knight me or something, Sir BostonTigger.... I like the sound of that. Ok, all together now group hug.

 

[AmyA]

Originally posted by ear_poppin
Ive just posted on the other thread. In fact a lot of the militants demanding " rights " for the debate board were not even sponsers!!!

Right....it's the DB people that call names and make personal attacks. Only the DB people

Lots of quite entertaining hypocrisy over here!!

 

[DSNY FN]

LOL at AmyA's comment.

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by goofy4tink
Seems to me that the debate board isn't really gone. You have all brought over the same ole stuff. Yes, I visited there, didn't post. Do I have to read all your 'debates' here on the CB? Nope. Just go right on past them. If I want such opinionated yet close minded debating, I'll start going to our Town Meetings again!! Life is waaaay too short for such nastiness, here or on any other board. Just because you don't see eye to eye is no reason to start with the sarcasm. I have been in plenty of discussions where it has gotten somewhat heated, but after the same old point is made, it starts getting personnal...every time. Well he said such and such to me in such and such a tone...yeah? well she said it with more sarcasm to me. It just goes on and on and starts getting really old, really fast. I'll just be ignoring those 'debate' threads. Shower me with pixie-dust and good wishes......yep, that's right....a pixie-dusting, good will wishing dope!!!

I am sorry, and I mean no personal offense, but this is the type of post I have been seeing all day. People who express no interest in the DB or what its posters might have to say, and yet, they just happen to pop in here long enough to call us names : opinionated, closed minded, nasty.....from the above post alone. I did not mean to single any one poster out, but this is a perfect example of what has been said repeatedly. Both here on the CB and on other boards.

There is actually a poster over on another board claiming the debaters are "launching a campaign of spite "against the CBers.

And you wonder why our feelings are hurt and we feel picked on? How could we not? The DB gets shut down because of name calling ( for one reason ) and yet it seems okay for other posters to go out of their way to make us feel like second class citizens.

I am serious here...How many posts have there been today where people just dropped in to say how much disdain they felt for the DB people? Just a quick stop to make an insult, and then poof they are gone, knowing full well that we must be ever watchful of how we reply because, after all, we were the ones singled out. We already have a strike against us.

You want to shut down the board? Fine, none of us get a vote. Totally not our call. But somehow, the way it worked out, managed to leave other people feeling that the WORD had come down from on high " the DB people were bad people " and that taking a shot at them now was perfectly legitimate.

I, for one, would have appereciated it if, while the mods were reading every word, trying to make sure nothing got out of hand again, someone had stepped up and reminded other posters that lobbing insults is unacceptable no matter who the victim is.

 

[sunni]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
I am sorry, and I mean no personal offense, but this is the type of post I have been seeing all day. People who express no interest in the DB or what its posters might have to say, and yet, they just happen to pop in here long enough to call us names : opinionated, closed minded, nasty.....from the above post alone. I did not mean to single any one poster out, but this is a perfect example of what has been said repeatedly. Both here on the CB and on other boards.

There is actually a poster over on another board claiming the debaters are "launching a campaign of spite "against the CBers.

And you wonder why our feelings are hurt and we feel picked on? How could we not? The DB gets shut down because of name calling ( for one reason ) and yet it seems okay for other posters to go out of their way to make us feel like second class citizens.

I am serious here...How many posts have there been today where people just dropped in to say how much disdain they felt for the DB people? Just a quick stop to make an insult, and then poof they are gone, knowing full well that we must be ever watchful of how we reply because, after all, we were the ones singled out. We already have a strike against us.

You want to shut down the board? Fine, none of us get a vote. Totally not our call. But somehow, the way it worked out, managed to leave other people feeling that the WORD had come down from on high " the DB people were bad people " and that taking a shot at them now was perfectly legitimate.

I, for one, would have appereciated it if, while the mods were reading every word, trying to make sure nothing got out of hand again, someone had stepped up and reminded other posters that lobbing insults is unacceptable no matter who the victim is.

ITA, faithinkarma.

After seeing how nasty, mean-spirited and close-minded the CB is capable of being, I seriously think they need to consider shutting down this board as well. Only then will the DIS will be a happier, brighter place.

 

[sha_lyn]

faithkarma...

I think you missunderstood me on the other thread that is now closed.

Someone commented that unless the person posting was a theology major then no one could learn about religion on the debate board. I was asking why can't we make up our own minds (as in the sharing of information on the DB), instead of having to be told what to think by a theology major.

now I wonder why that thread was closed.

 

[goofy4tink]

Faithinkarma...I'm not going to quote your whole response. I'm sorry if I came across as insulting. I didn't mean it to be taken that way. It just seemed to me, that everytime I went over to the DB, people were arguing instead of debating. Then, they would get off track and start insulting certain other posters. No one seemed able to make a response without others saying they were stupid if their point wasn't seen. I feel no disdain for anyone. My main reason for not posting on the DB is I'm such a fence sitter. Yes, I know..somewhat sillly/stupid of me. I just tend to be able to see everyone's point. Please don't misunderstand my intent. I would just love to see everyone on all the boards get along. Heated discussion is fine...rudeness is not. Now, I suppose 'rudeness' is a relative term. What is rude for me, may seem fine to someone else. Have you ever gone over to the resort boards and discussed pool hopping? Or reusing your refill. mugs? Talk about heated and some name calling.

And yes....there are actually people out there (can you believe it!!) that hate all the asking for good thoughts, prayers and spreading of pixie-dust. So, lets compromise....you guys don't have to send out any p.d. or prayers and we don't have to take part in debates on the CB if we don't want to.

Oh man....see?? I went and did just what I was trying to avoid..the 'us' and 'them' attitude. We are all DISers. Basically nice people with different attitudes and tastes. I think we can play nicely on the same board. Nope, no disdain here. I can be accused of actually liking some of you guys!!! (but don't tell anyone...I might not be welcome in the 'p.d. set!!)

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by sha_lyn
faithkarma...

I think you missunderstood me on the other thread that is now closed.

Someone commented that unless the person posting was a theology major then no one could learn about religion on the debate board. I was asking why can't we make up our own minds (as in the sharing of information on the DB), instead of having to be told what to think by a theology major.

now I wonder why that thread was closed.

You are absolutely right. Not having seen the original thread, I took what you said to mean you were so sure of your own beliefs, that discussion of religion was a waste of time for you. My sincere apologies. And I appreciate you taking the time to set me straight. Who knows what opinions I might have mistakenly formed about you? Well, no one would know, since I cannot express them any more

 

[Teris]

There is actually a poster over on another board claiming the debaters are "launching a campaign of spite "against the CBers.

And you wonder why our feelings are hurt and we feel picked on? How could we not? The DB gets shut down because of name calling ( for one reason ) and yet it seems okay for other posters to go out of their way to make us feel like second class citizens.

I guess I am the 'offensive poster' Faithinkarma is speaking of when I said:

It's already spilling over into the community forum. I am sure that was to be expected. I think it was a good call to close it personally. I think there is only so much moderating a volunteer mod can be expected to do, it was really getting very out of hand. But now I fear for the community board, as there seems to be a campaign of spite targeting it due to the DB closing

I don't see it as 'DBers' versus CBers",, and I never stated anything of the such. Just wanted to make sure that anything I said was kept intact, and not paraphrased, which changed it's original intent totally.

I personally found the DB to be a 'bowl of popcorn' type of entertainment. I enjoyed some of the actual debates, but was a bit shocked at the amount of bullying and nastiness that went on as well. It certainly kept me from posting in there.

I really hope that isn't going to spill over into here tho. That is my sincere concern. I am sorry if that hurts your feelings Faithinkarma,, but I recall your saying something about the bullying that went on in there yourself.

What I find appalling, is the amount of foot stomping and fit throwing that has been done in the past 24 hours by a handful of people, not by everyone who posted regularly on the DB, but just a handful. It's been a very childish display.

What I stated was how I saw it. As far as a campaign of spite goes, there has been alot of insults directed in general by people on both sides of the fence, because of a decision made by the team here. This decision was not made by the people who are regulars in the CB, but the amount of vitirol directed at them is over the top IMO.

People who don't go to the DB have been attacked for expressing their dismay at what appears to be an attempt to 'bully' the DB back into exsistance, in effect, by attempting to claim this board as the new 'debate forum'.

Positive posts about things people feel good about have been ridiculed for no reason, except that a handful of others are upset at not having the DB to post it. I think this is unacceptable.

This is why people are bothering to post that they are upset over having the CB used in such a way.

Now, I think I will go back to planning my holiday and leave you all to it here. I never posted in the DB because of the atmosphere there,, and I guess this is my last post in here as well, for the same reason.

 

[faithinkarma]

goofy4tink, I really did not mean to single you out, for you certainly were not the most offensive. Unfortunately for you, you just happened to be the most recent.

I am sure you can understand how your post could easily be interpreted as just one more person stopping by to say they had no interest in reading any debate threads, and then go on to say the reason they felt that way is because ( insert any generic put-down here ).

And one of my points was that if a person has no interest in reading debate threads, why the need to stop and announce it. Why not just continue on your merry way? Say I have no interest in a thread discussing the release of the latest movie...why not just bypass it, instead of stopping in to say that I don't go to movies because I think movies are a huge waste of time and people who go to them are boring.

Again, I meant no insult to you personally, and I apologize. My aim was at the general idea that the same people who would never ever think of telling movie goers they were dumb to attend movies, somehow felt it was perfectly OK to do pretty much just that to the DB people.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

FIK, I'm trying to find other debate boards that discuss current events, and deeper subjects. Do you want me to send you links, when the person gets back to me?

 

[faithinkarma]

Teris, you are right when you say there was bullying and natiness on the DB. But I do not see how that is relevant to the point I am trying to make. That point being that somehow criticism of people from the DB has suddenly become the pc thing to do.

And I respectfully submit that your last post proves my point.

I do not see what has been said as any attempt to bully the DB back into existence. That assumes we are misguided enough to think that is possible. We are not.

We had a "home". A place where we knew each other and laughed and fought. And yes, it was getting way out of hand. But none of us made the decision to leave on our own. It was made for us. And if you cannot understand how that would make us gravitate to the next closest room to commiserate and even mourn, then may it never happen to you.

 

[jrydberg]

What I find appalling, is the amount of foot stomping and fit throwing that has been done in the past 24 hours by a handful of people... ...It's been a very childish display.

I agree. But I'm probably not referring to the same people you are

 

[Teris]

Faith, I am no stranger to messageboards. I have been around them for about 8 years, and have admined on several, before getting fed up with this very type of thing. People end up feeling an emotional connection, and a sense of ownership of something that really isn't in their control. When a step is made that they don't agree with, it becomes very combative. Been there and done that over again. I think life is too short. It's only a message board. I understand the frustration in having the DB suddenly close. I have found myself even clicking on it out of habit.

The point is, the nastiness I refer to that has been happening in the past 24 hours, has shown a sense of intolerance on both sides.

If you read the threads all in regards to the DB closing,, there have been some unwarrented comments directed at the general type of person who tends to post on the CB, not individuals. Just the type of person. Faceless,, and nameless, and the implication that they are brainless because they didnt' participate in the DB.

Be angry if you want to over the closing of a board, but to insult people because they 'need' a little pixie dust, or 'prayers' is really uncalled for. I think the people who have been doing this really should be ashamed of themselves, as at some point in their lives, I am sure they will be wanting others to be supportive of them if they are having a bad time of things.

I think that there is room for people who don't wish to debate to exist here, as well as those who feel lost if they don't get their daily dose of debating. It's the show of intolerance on both sides that there shouldn't be room for.

 

[faithinkarma]

Teris..it seems we are syaing the same thing, we are just looking at it from opposite ends of the tunnel. And I freely admit that when reading posts it is almost automatic that those that insult you or your way of thinking are the ones that stand out.

I do however maintain that I have a valid point when I say that many people just stopped in to say they did not want to follow a debate board and then went on to say why, and never in a kind way. That to me is way out of line...if you have no interest, then why the need to say so? How many debaters went into a regular CB thread to cast aspersions on them?