*The Dave Ramsey 'Baby Steps' Thread*

I think lots of good Ramsey advice being reinforced. I would also say you need to eat out 0 times a week. You said you went from 14 to a few of which those few a couple are required for work. I can tell you that it is embarrassing but when there are other paying diners some restaurants will allow a brown bagger to sit with the others. Maybe suggest to the coworkers that these eat out meetings start to be eat in meetings and then everyone goes for a walk after.
I was screaming the same reading that post!

Its not going to be pleasant but this needs to be treated like an emergency for a couple years to get on track. Eating out 4-5 times a week and taking 5 years to pay off debts is not taking this seriously enough considering the age and status of retirement accounts.
 
I was screaming the same reading that post!

Its not going to be pleasant but this needs to be treated like an emergency for a couple years to get on track. Eating out 4-5 times a week and taking 5 years to pay off debts is not taking this seriously enough considering the age and status of retirement accounts.
I completely agree. Eating out and vacation should be at 0 a month. Sorry it sucks and I know this from a deep personal level but it’s the most realistic cut
 
I completely agree. Eating out and vacation should be at 0 a month. Sorry it sucks and I know this from a deep personal level but it’s the most realistic cut
I agree that eating out and vacations should be at zero but sometimes things have to be done in a sub-optimal way, especially when only 1 of the 2 involved are on board with trying to get out of the pickle that they are in.

Too many cuts and the resistance will turn in to rebellion, leaving them further behind than they started.

There have been massive steps made, as posts on the Debt Dumper thread will attest, but unfortunately there is still a long way to go. Keep plugging away, make the search for additional income a priority via any and every route possible and send as much as possible to those debts (whilst trying to prevent your wife incurring more).

I think the suggestion to look for another church that is running the DR course sounds like a really good one, especially if you can persuade your wife to join you.

Good luck.
 
I just found this thread. We LOVE Dave at our house and have followed his advice for years. We are on Baby Step 7 now and were able to pay off our mortgage last year. Don't give up, keep on doing it! It is hard but so worth it!!!!!
Congratulations on Baby Step 7! Paying off the mortgage is such a big milestone!
 

Thank you.

I'm not a fan of the eating out thing during work as I'd rather be working, lol, especially since we have to pay for our own meals when we have a meeting at lunch. So yes, I can see cutting all the way back to just those days and then Sunday after church with friends as the only days. But it's just tough with 2 of us, and we don't really eat leftovers and don't freeze meat of any kind, whether cooked or raw. We'd rather just go to Walmart every 4-5 days and buy as we need. Much cheaper. But I understand, and I'd like to cut back to just those days I mentioned.

I do agree about the extra work for 10-12 hours per week. Hopefully that comes to fruition by the end of this month for me. Then if DW feels like getting one, maybe she can too. But I'm not going to force her to work outside of her already full time job. I didn't realize Indeed worked that way. I thought they saw all apps once you submitted. But I will look at other options as well.

I will go back and check out about the car stuff. However, I am upside down on it. So I'd have to pay about $5,800 to get it to what it's worth so I could sell it to one of these dealers calling me nonstop and asking about buying it. Not sure how I'd come up with that extra money. Then I'd need money to go and buy a cash car at the dealership on top of that. I may look more into what all this would entail. So thanks for the tip.

I've enjoyed learning the DR way. I know it's not the end all, be all, but it's definitely great advice. It's hard to follow. I saw another one yesterday that popped up on my YT that suggested paying off high interest loans first (after starting the EF) then worrying abotu the lower interest loans in step 9. So, I know there's options out there. And I like DR's style for the most part. So I've enjoyed being a part of his group and his community.

I think lots of good Ramsey advice being reinforced. I would also say you need to eat out 0 times a week. You said you went from 14 to a few of which those few a couple are required for work. I can tell you that it is embarrassing but when there are other paying diners some restaurants will allow a brown bagger to sit with the others. Maybe suggest to the coworkers that these eat out meetings start to be eat in meetings and then everyone goes for a walk after.

Concerning Indeed apps, they often get kicked out and never get in front of anyone. You need to talk to people in your network and make a job happen. Both of you need to pick up the extra job.

You mentioned that you can’t sell the car as you work in opposite directions. Read the post about selling the car and then getting a cheaper car.

I say this kindly. Many of us in this thread have been there. Don’t be resistant and have a rebuttal for everything, instead say “I can do that and here is how.” @WDW_fan_in_TX
 
I agree. But we have to eat out for work some days. We have mandatory meetings at lunch, and we have to pay for our own. So no way to eat out zero. But maybe going eating just those 3 times out will help cut down. Plus, that's when I eat my healthiest.

I was screaming the same reading that post!

Its not going to be pleasant but this needs to be treated like an emergency for a couple years to get on track. Eating out 4-5 times a week and taking 5 years to pay off debts is not taking this seriously enough considering the age and status of retirement accounts.
 
Thanks. Yes, vacations are out. And the only times we'll be eating out going forward is when it's mandatory meetings for work. That happens 3 times per week. But 3 is better than the 14+ it used to be 10 years ago.

I completely agree. Eating out and vacation should be at 0 a month. Sorry it sucks and I know this from a deep personal level but it’s the most realistic cut
 
Thank you for this info. As I've said a couple of times, the only time I'll be eating out is for work meetings. So that'll help.

And yes, there's a long way to go. I know the only way to have additional income is to find a second job, and I'm trying. Got turned down at Whataburger, lol, because the guy said I was too old. I'm 50. I guess they just want 20 somethings or teenagers, who knows. But I even tried there. And I've decided to stop using the CCs unless absolutely necessary like this past weekend when we had to buy groceries. It was either put them on CC or not eat. And I'm a fat kid, I have to eat, lol.

I will see if there's anywhere that offers the DR course, however, we're not switching churches. We absolutely love our church and are happy to go for the first time in probably 15+ years. We don't like missing. We're involved in choir, prayer group, bible study and church. It takes up Tuesday, Wednesday and Sunday, and we absolutely love it. But it also leaves me 3 other days (Monday, Thursday and Friday) to find a part time job for 10-12 hours per week, so that's a really good thing. I will see if we can do the DR thing on Youtube. Maybe it's a free class on there or something.

I agree that eating out and vacations should be at zero but sometimes things have to be done in a sub-optimal way, especially when only 1 of the 2 involved are on board with trying to get out of the pickle that they are in.

Too many cuts and the resistance will turn in to rebellion, leaving them further behind than they started.

There have been massive steps made, as posts on the Debt Dumper thread will attest, but unfortunately there is still a long way to go. Keep plugging away, make the search for additional income a priority via any and every route possible and send as much as possible to those debts (whilst trying to prevent your wife incurring more).

I think the suggestion to look for another church that is running the DR course sounds like a really good one, especially if you can persuade your wife to join you.

Good luck.
 
Congratulations on Baby Step 7! Paying off the mortgage is such a big milestone!
We turned it into a family event. We had a piece of paper in the kitchen with the UP house and balloons. Each time we made an extra payment the kids would help us color in the balloon. When it was finally paid off we went to Magic Kingdom to celebrate!

We went through FPU in our early 20s. We didn’t always stick to the plan 100% but we did overall. It does work… it truly does!

We homeschool and our kids just did the Dave Ramsey high school program. I don’t want them to make the silly mistakes we did. ❤️
 

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@WDW_fan_in_TX

It's going to tough and it's going to mean a meager existence for quite a while.

My first suggestion is to cancel the WDW trip. Yes, I know it hurts to do that. And yes, I know that you already invested $300 in airfare that is non-refundable. But that Disney hotel isn't free and the reservation can be canceled. If you've already put money toward it, you will get it back. Put it toward your debts. You don't have the money to be going to WDW when you have less than $1 to your name until the next paycheck. Parking at your home airport is going to cost something. Food during your trip is going to cost something. You cannot afford this trip. I know it sounds brutal but Dave would tell you the same thing.

Make sure that you are paying the minimums on every debt. Do it on time or even early because the last thing you need is late fees on top of interest. Meanwhile, work on getting that emergency fund going. Even just $5 a week is a start. The suggestion to use an online bank with no branch offices near you is an excellent recommendation.

Cut up the credit cards so that you cannot use them. Remove them from any contactless payment methods on your phone. In fact, call the credit card companies and freeze the accounts so that no charges can be made on them. When the one with an annual fee is paid off, cancel it. You don't want that $100 annual fee getting in the way of paying off your debts. Your credit score will only take a small hit and only for a short time.

Freeze the debit card in a great big old block of ice. Pay cash for everything you can. The last time I looked, every brick and mortar store takes cash. Withdraw a set amount of cash every paycheck at the teller to pay for things like gas, groceries, essential toiletries and medications. When the cash is gone, you are done spending until the next paycheck.

Ditch the Amazon, Walmart purchases and any other online buying that you do. It's too easy to spend more than you need to when it just goes on the credit card.

Give consideration to moving closer to either your or your wife's job. You're stuck with the car you are underwater on until you pay it down to what it's worth, but you can sell the other one and then drop her off in the morning at her job, pick her up after you're done at yours, or visa versa. Bonus for getting rid of the second car is that your insurance payments go down.

I get that groceries are expensive. My grocery bill this week was over $160 and that didn't include much in the way of meat. But it did include a large amount of fresh vegetables when frozen would be cheaper. We also tend to buy whole grains, organic foods and name brand products. All of which could change if we had to tighten our belts. Are you buying a lot of processed foods and convenience foods? Stop if you are. They aren't good for you and they're expensive. Learn to cook. Do it on weekends if you're too tired when you get home from work. Cook on Sunday after church, portion it out for the rest of the week and refrigerate. Crockpot meals and casseroles are your friend! Or make foods you love to get when you eat out and you won't be tempted to order out because nothing in the fridge appeals to you. Cut out all eating out, including stops for coffee and snacks, with the exception of those required by the workplace (and try to change the work climate that dictates you must do this). Pack a lunch. If you find yourself out of food before the next paycheck, start visiting food banks and food outlets instead of the chain grocery stores. We have produce outlets near me that sell blemished and bruised produce for a fraction of what the big box stores sell. Even after you weed out the stuff you cannot eat, it's still cheaper.

Finally, get a second job ASAP. Both of you! Even if that job involves asking "Do you want fries with that?" The holiday season is coming up and stores like Target and Walmart will be looking for overnight workers to restock shelves. The work is temporary but the entire paychecks can go toward your debts. There's usually a bonus if you stay beyond the holidays to deal with all the returns. While on the subject of the holidays...cut out all gift giving. There's no shame in bowing out of the workplace secret Santa or refraining from buying gifts for all the nieces and nephews.

I think you can accomplish getting on stable financial ground but it's going to take a lot of sacrifices. Dave Ramsey's approach has worked for a lot of people but only if they embrace the entire program. There's no cherry picking which baby steps you will do and which you will skip. Borrow one of his books from your local library and really take the advice to heart. And come back here regularly to celebrate your accomplishments or commiserate when things go sideways. You've got this!
 
Thank you for this. A couple of things to answer:

The Disney trip is paid off. We used my DN's discounts and got the room for $230 total for 3 nights. Using her gues passes for park entry. We might still consider canceling, though, even though we'd lose $300. But we do have a trip coming up next summer for work. So I might can see if they'll let me extend the credit through then.

We pay the minimums, and I put a little extra when I can. But as I said, we got into a bind this past week. And we had to use the CC to buy groceries. So everything I paid on it, I just put right back on it with needing food to eat. But the ultimate goal is to pay them off.

As far as cash, I like the idea. And I think everyone except for Sams will let you pay cash for stuff. I don't think you can pay cash for gas without having to walk in somewhere. And we also can't pay our bills with cash as they're all online. But I believe everywhere else accepts cash. So I will look into that.

And I'm looking for a second job now. I actually walked into Whataburger, and I asked if they were hiring. They said I was too hold to work there, lol. I'm guessing they only want teeny boppers or 20 somethings. Who knows. But that's what the young guy at the cash register told me. But I am trying to find something else for 10-12 hours per week.


@WDW_fan_in_TX

It's going to tough and it's going to mean a meager existence for quite a while.

My first suggestion is to cancel the WDW trip. Yes, I know it hurts to do that. And yes, I know that you already invested $300 in airfare that is non-refundable. But that Disney hotel isn't free and the reservation can be canceled. If you've already put money toward it, you will get it back. Put it toward your debts. You don't have the money to be going to WDW when you have less than $1 to your name until the next paycheck. Parking at your home airport is going to cost something. Food during your trip is going to cost something. You cannot afford this trip. I know it sounds brutal but Dave would tell you the same thing.

Make sure that you are paying the minimums on every debt. Do it on time or even early because the last thing you need is late fees on top of interest. Meanwhile, work on getting that emergency fund going. Even just $5 a week is a start. The suggestion to use an online bank with no branch offices near you is an excellent recommendation.

Cut up the credit cards so that you cannot use them. Remove them from any contactless payment methods on your phone. In fact, call the credit card companies and freeze the accounts so that no charges can be made on them. When the one with an annual fee is paid off, cancel it. You don't want that $100 annual fee getting in the way of paying off your debts. Your credit score will only take a small hit and only for a short time.

Freeze the debit card in a great big old block of ice. Pay cash for everything you can. The last time I looked, every brick and mortar store takes cash. Withdraw a set amount of cash every paycheck at the teller to pay for things like gas, groceries, essential toiletries and medications. When the cash is gone, you are done spending until the next paycheck.

Ditch the Amazon, Walmart purchases and any other online buying that you do. It's too easy to spend more than you need to when it just goes on the credit card.

Give consideration to moving closer to either your or your wife's job. You're stuck with the car you are underwater on until you pay it down to what it's worth, but you can sell the other one and then drop her off in the morning at her job, pick her up after you're done at yours, or visa versa. Bonus for getting rid of the second car is that your insurance payments go down.

I get that groceries are expensive. My grocery bill this week was over $160 and that didn't include much in the way of meat. But it did include a large amount of fresh vegetables when frozen would be cheaper. We also tend to buy whole grains, organic foods and name brand products. All of which could change if we had to tighten our belts. Are you buying a lot of processed foods and convenience foods? Stop if you are. They aren't good for you and they're expensive. Learn to cook. Do it on weekends if you're too tired when you get home from work. Cook on Sunday after church, portion it out for the rest of the week and refrigerate. Crockpot meals and casseroles are your friend! Or make foods you love to get when you eat out and you won't be tempted to order out because nothing in the fridge appeals to you. Cut out all eating out, including stops for coffee and snacks, with the exception of those required by the workplace (and try to change the work climate that dictates you must do this). Pack a lunch. If you find yourself out of food before the next paycheck, start visiting food banks and food outlets instead of the chain grocery stores. We have produce outlets near me that sell blemished and bruised produce for a fraction of what the big box stores sell. Even after you weed out the stuff you cannot eat, it's still cheaper.

Finally, get a second job ASAP. Both of you! Even if that job involves asking "Do you want fries with that?" The holiday season is coming up and stores like Target and Walmart will be looking for overnight workers to restock shelves. The work is temporary but the entire paychecks can go toward your debts. There's usually a bonus if you stay beyond the holidays to deal with all the returns. While on the subject of the holidays...cut out all gift giving. There's no shame in bowing out of the workplace secret Santa or refraining from buying gifts for all the nieces and nephews.

I think you can accomplish getting on stable financial ground but it's going to take a lot of sacrifices. Dave Ramsey's approach has worked for a lot of people but only if they embrace the entire program. There's no cherry picking which baby steps you will do and which you will skip. Borrow one of his books from your local library and really take the advice to heart. And come back here regularly to celebrate your accomplishments or commiserate when things go sideways. You've got this!
 
We turned it into a family event. We had a piece of paper in the kitchen with the UP house and balloons. Each time we made an extra payment the kids would help us color in the balloon. When it was finally paid off we went to Magic Kingdom to celebrate!

We went through FPU in our early 20s. We didn’t always stick to the plan 100% but we did overall. It does work… it truly does!

We homeschool and our kids just did the Dave Ramsey high school program. I don’t want them to make the silly mistakes we did. ❤️
Oh, how cute and so much fun!

We started FPU about 15 years ago, so our children have also grown up with it. We homeschool as well and used the high school finance program (and the career discovery one).

We are in a weird situation where we completed Baby Step 6 before fully finishing Baby Step 4 (that snowball effect is real!). Now that cash-flowing college has started, we are struggling to increase our retirement contributions.

But I love how Dave used to say, if you work the plan, the plan works. If you don't work the plan, the plan won't work. So true!
 
And I've decided to stop using the CCs unless absolutely necessary like this past weekend when we had to buy groceries. It was either put them on CC or not eat. And I'm a fat kid, I have to eat, lol.

We used to buy $0.22 bags of individual ramen noodles. It is possible to eat extremely cheaply with change or cash on hand. When money is tight, don't use a cart or hand basket. Walk in with a few bucks, and walk out with a few things in your hands. Eating reduced meals or skipping them altogether is not preferable, but you will live to see another day.

I will see if we can do the DR thing on Youtube. Maybe it's a free class on there or something.

You can find some of his older classes online, or videos of churches that recorded their FPU sessions. It won't include the full modern lessons of today, but it should help. Plus, go to the local library and take out books from Dave Ramsey or any of his on-air co-hosts.

We pay the minimums, and I put a little extra when I can. But as I said, we got into a bind this past week. And we had to use the CC to buy groceries. So everything I paid on it, I just put right back on it with needing food to eat. But the ultimate goal is to pay them off.

This is a budgeting issue. I know you keep saying you have your four walls covered, but you don't. If you are putting extra money towards debt or putting money into a savings account, only to turn around and make purchases with the credit card or withdraw savings, then you are not budgeting properly. This takes time, but do not add savings or pay down debt until basic necessities are properly budgeted and paid for. Then at the end of the month, if there truly is money leftover, it goes to an emergency fund.

And I think everyone except for Sams will let you pay cash for stuff.

Sam's takes cash at staffed registers, just not self-checkout ones. However, with only two people in your household and reduced funds, buying in bulk is not recommended. During the uncertainty of the pandemic, our family of four could not afford a huge weekly shopping trip. So, we shopped frequently for no more than $20 cash a time. Also, anything taken home gets eaten, or it doesn't get bought. It helped us keep costs low until everything stabilized.
 
We don't buy much at Sams. We buy toilet paper and a couple of other things that we use more often and is cheaper to buy in bulk. But I was mainly talking about getting gas at Sams. It's cashless from best I can tell, although I'm going to check into it next time.
Sam's takes cash at staffed registers, just not self-checkout ones. However, with only two people in your household and reduced funds, buying in bulk is not recommended. During the uncertainty of the pandemic, our family of four could not afford a huge weekly shopping trip. So, we shopped frequently for no more than $20 cash a time. Also, anything taken home gets eaten, or it doesn't get bought. It helped us keep costs low until everything stabilized.
 
The Disney trip is paid off. We used my DN's discounts and got the room for $230 total for 3 nights. Using her gues passes for park entry. We might still consider canceling, though, even though we'd lose $300. But we do have a trip coming up next summer for work. So I might can see if they'll let me extend the credit through then.
Is the room refundable? What about food and ground transportation costs? Have they also been paid for? That's a great rate for 3 nights in a Disney hotel but it's still money that you need.

If you can get a refund on the room, cancel. That $230 would almost pay off CC#2. Although Dave would advocate that it goes into an EF.

If your flight is with Southwest, you can cancel and get a transferable credit. The terms for its expiration are dependent on when you purchased and what type of fare it is. Look for someone who will purchase the credit from you for half the price you paid. Instead of "losing" $300, you only "lose" $150. Use the $150 you get from the sale as seed money for your EF. I put "losing" in quotes because at this point, it's money spent and you're not losing $300 if you don't go. You're losing a round trip flight for 2 people. But if you cancel and sell the transferable credit to someone who can use it, you'll be ahead of where you are right now.

So, there you go! $380 in an EF and you're already 1/3 of the way to finishing BS#1!


As far as cash, I like the idea. And I think everyone except for Sams will let you pay cash for stuff. I don't think you can pay cash for gas without having to walk in somewhere. And we also can't pay our bills with cash as they're all online. But I believe everywhere else accepts cash. So I will look into that.

If you have to walk into the store or the gas station attendant booth to pay cash for gasoline, do it! It's well worth walking a few steps to put your $20 bill on the counter and ask them to turn on pump #X. It's much more costly to use a credit card at a high rate of interest just for the convenience of standing by the pump to fill your tank. And since Sam's doesn't accept cash for gasoline purchases, think hard about whether their discounted price is worth paying 28%-30% more in interest on a credit card.

Direct pay your bills that don't take cash thru EFTs right from your bank account. Almost the same as using cash without needing a debit card. I have 3 monthly bills that get paid that way - cellphone, electric and water. The cellphone and electric withdraw automatically and I go into my bank account online and pay the water bill.

And I'm looking for a second job now. I actually walked into Whataburger, and I asked if they were hiring. They said I was too hold to work there, lol. I'm guessing they only want teeny boppers or 20 somethings. Who knows. But that's what the young guy at the cash register told me. But I am trying to find something else for 10-12 hours per week.

Target, Walmart and other big box stores can't hire teenie boppers to do overnight shifts restocking shelves. Child labor laws prevent that. Get your applications in! The holiday season starts soon and you'll want to be ready and on their list for interviews. There are more options out there than just Whattaburger and other fast food jobs. Have you considered gig work in your off hours? Instacart? Uber? Doordash? Rover? It's not consistent paychecks but you set your own hours and can pick and choose the jobs you're willing to take.
 
Thank you for this info. As I've said a couple of times, the only time I'll be eating out is for work meetings. So that'll help.

And yes, there's a long way to go. I know the only way to have additional income is to find a second job, and I'm trying. Got turned down at Whataburger, lol, because the guy said I was too old. I'm 50. I guess they just want 20 somethings or teenagers, who knows. But I even tried there. And I've decided to stop using the CCs unless absolutely necessary like this past weekend when we had to buy groceries. It was either put them on CC or not eat. And I'm a fat kid, I have to eat, lol.

I will see if there's anywhere that offers the DR course, however, we're not switching churches. We absolutely love our church and are happy to go for the first time in probably 15+ years. We don't like missing. We're involved in choir, prayer group, bible study and church. It takes up Tuesday, Wednesday and Sunday, and we absolutely love it. But it also leaves me 3 other days (Monday, Thursday and Friday) to find a part time job for 10-12 hours per week, so that's a really good thing. I will see if we can do the DR thing on Youtube. Maybe it's a free class on there or something.

I can definitely relate to the struggle of trying to make ends meet while working through the Baby Steps—it takes a lot of persistence and creativity. One thought: since you’re active in your church, you might check to see if they have any part-time opportunities. Sometimes churches need extra help with things like custodial work, setting up for events, or even serving as a barista if they have a coffee bar.

I work for a church, and over the years we’ve hired several people in situations just like yours who were looking for short-term, part-time work to help pay down debt. It might be worth asking—sometimes those opportunities aren’t widely advertised but can make a real difference.

Keep pushing forward—you’re doing hard but important work, and it will pay off.
 
We don't buy much at Sams. We buy toilet paper and a couple of other things that we use more often and is cheaper to buy in bulk. But I was mainly talking about getting gas at Sams. It's cashless from best I can tell, although I'm going to check into it next time.

Well, the "cheaper" bulk toilet paper also costs $50-$110 in membership fees. Personally, I would cancel the membership and only shop at the dollar store, Walmart, or other discounted stores. Every dollar counts. Plus, I think you can get a full 100% refund of the membership fee at customer service under their satisfaction guarantee.
 
Thanks. I will check into it. The stuff we buy is like $32 for 32 rolls at Sam's, and that lasts us a month. It's $15 for 12 rolls at Walmart. Just to check, I just checked Walgreens, and it's $18 for 12 rolls there. So seems like Sams is best choice for that. Plus, we bulk buy other stuff too that's cheaper like cases of water. But I am going to start checking into getting some paper products at Walgreens, Kroger and Tom Thumb. However, the latter 2 are too far away to buy cold stuff, as they're about 15 minutes one way away from where we live. So I can't buy the cold stuff there. But for sure can check for paper products, toiletries, etc.

Well, the "cheaper" bulk toilet paper also costs $50-$110 in membership fees. Personally, I would cancel the membership and only shop at the dollar store, Walmart, or other discounted stores. Every dollar counts. Plus, I think you can get a full 100% refund of the membership fee at customer service under their satisfaction guarantee.
 
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I agree that eating out and vacations shouldbe at zero but sometimes things have to be done in a sub-optimal way, especially when only 1 of the 2 involved are on board with trying to get out of the pickle that they are in.
Too many cuts and the resistance will turn in to rebellion, leaving them further behind than they started.
I guess I was assuming both parties were on the same page there. It’s going to be very hard to make large changes without everyone on board.

Generally speaking I like the idea of cutting to the bone and then adding back in a couple things. Adding back $100 in spending because you really miss the zoo membership is still a net win if you saved $1000.

The poster in question is on track to retire with basically social security as their funding. That is scary and requires major action. It’s either sacrifice now to get on track or be forced to make massive sacrifices later.
I agree. But we have to eat out for work some days. We have mandatory meetings at lunch, and we have to pay for our own. So no way to eat out zero. But maybe going eating just those 3 times out will help cut down. Plus, that's when I eat my healthiest.
Sorry but I am lost how an employer has mandatory lunch meetings that they’re not providing lunch for. That seems fundamentally wrong and management should be questioned on it.
 
And yes, there's a long way to go. I know the only way to have additional income is to find a second job, and I'm trying. Got turned down at Whataburger, lol, because the guy said I was too old. I'm 50. I guess they just want 20 somethings or teenagers, who knows.

I will see if there's anywhere that offers the DR course, however, we're not switching churches. We absolutely love our church and are happy to go for the first time in probably 15+ years. We don't like missing. We're involved in choir, prayer group, bible study and church. It takes up Tuesday, Wednesday and Sunday, and we absolutely love it. But it also leaves me 3 other days (Monday, Thursday and Friday) to find a part time job for 10-12 hours per week, so that's a really good thing. I will see if we can do the DR thing on Youtube. Maybe it's a free class on there or something.

When we were younger we went thru some lean times. Always robbing Peter to pay Paul. All gifts on layaway, (If anyone knows what that is anymore.)

One thing that has always been constant is I have listened to DR for years. I never went 100% in but I was a 1/2 convert.

The biggest change is attitude.

Dude, how long are you going to talk about that one time you asked about a job at a fast food place?

As Dave would say, you really need a bigger shovel. Limiting an extra job search to a couple hours a day only on certain days of the week isn't a solution. The golf course I play a lot just hired someone yesterday as a cart attendant to work 8 hours each every Saturday & Sunday. You need more than 9 or 10 hours a week extra.

When we were at the lowest, going to Disney World wasn't even a conversation. Even now, even though we have a plan what we will spend on vacation, we ALWAYS go over. There are always more $$ going out than you expected.

This whole work lunch thing is just weird. Are you all going to a restaurant? Or, is this just a case of everyone ordering take out and having a meeting in your conference/break room? We used to have these lunchtime meetings where they would provide our lunch and many times I'd bring my own food when I was going low-carb. I would think there'd be an easy way to stop falling prey to their lunch scam.
 








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