The "Cult of Frozen"

I'll tell you what....there has to be a bunch of high-level Disney execs fuming over all the lost revenue they are missing out on because of the lack of available Frozen merchandise (where Disney makes the real money). If there were Frozen t-shirts and other available merchandise for my DD, we would have spent a lot money. Every Disney store out there, Disneystore.com, all the shops at WDW & DLR...none of them have any of the merchandise people are dying to give Disney thier money for.

Didn't they have the same problem after Rapunzel came out? If it's the same person, they probably need to be fired. Makes me wonder which Movie had them holding the bag on a bunch of unsold stuff to make them so cautious in their ordering.
 
I'll tell you what....there has to be a bunch of high-level Disney execs fuming over all the lost revenue they are missing out on because of the lack of available Frozen merchandise (where Disney makes the real money). If there were Frozen t-shirts and other available merchandise for my DD, we would have spent a lot money. Every Disney store out there, Disneystore.com, all the shops at WDW & DLR...none of them have any of the merchandise people are dying to give Disney thier money for.

That is sad news. My DD17 thought for sure she would be able to get her hands on some Frozen merch since she hasn't really been able to find much here. Maybe by June they will have pushed some out. We saw it twice in theaters and listen to the soundtrack all the time. Olaf cracks my DH up!
 
Two strong female role models. When you can put yourself in the shoes of the main characters, the movie suddenly takes on a whole new form. This is even more relevant for a child than an adult. It really is about storyline/plot as well. Even though we think kids are just watching cartoons and not really worrying about if there is any sort of strong plot, it's not true. I remember relating to/wanting to be the Disney characters in the movies I watched growing up because of their plights and actions. It was why I became a writer, so it sticks with me forever. And THAT'S why Frozen is doing so well. It has a really original and amazing storyline, with a few plot twists, and a bunch of really really catchy tunes. (I actually can't stand "Let It Go" with the exception of the lats couple lines...it's mediocre at best in my book...but I love every other song on that soundtrack). Frozen is so popular because it deserves to be.
 

1. It's the first very good Disney animated movie musical in 20 years.
2. It was written by the writer of Avenue Q and Book of Mormon, who came out of the BMI Workshop, who knows how to write a musical.
3. No damsel in distress saved by a guy. The girls are saved by each other.

Not that hard to figure out.

I found your comment interesting. I agree Frozen was very well done and IMO on a par with Little Mermaid. It was refreshing that sisterly love was so important and while Hans is the closest thing to a villain there really is no villain here.

In thinking about the Disney movies of the last 25 years I do not see a strong theme of damsel in distress saved by a guy.

So just for grins let's talk about some of them...


Little Mermaid

Was saved by her father - yes a guy, but not a romantic figure. And it was clear that the father contributed to her distressed situation. He was more in a role of redeeming himself than saving a hapless female.


Beauty and the Beast

She was saved by a beast who turned out to be a guy at the very end - and the beast/guy was also saved by Belle in a more important way than he saved her. The beast/guy was the one who imprisoned Belle.


Aladdin

Villain Jafar has hero Aladdin in a prison, the father under his control and Jasmine in his sights. Yes she was distressed but so was everyone.

Biggest hero to save everyone here was the genie. Jasmine and Aladdin also acted heroically.


Lion King

Simba is the one in distress and needs saving. Partly by his father and partly by his friends.


Pocahontas

LOL, I did not see it. You tell me! :goodvibes


Hunchback

Saw it once a long time ago. Seem to remember the hero was the hunchback. Yes a guy but more of perpetual juvenile and not a romantic savior.


Mulan

Did not see that one either! What I have heard is that Mulan is the hero who saves others.


Tarzan

Tarzan is saved by his gorilla friends. With their help he does away with the villain and does save Jane. And her father. So here the guy saves the girl and himself from distress. I guess this one fits the model pretty well of damsel being saved.


Princess and the Frog

Did not see this one!


Tangled

This works more of Rapunzel saving Flynn than vice versa.


My quick tour through recent history Disney animated heroines does not line up very well with a repeating theme of "damsel in distress being saved by a guy".

Debate, agreements and disagreements are all welcome!

:wizard:
 
To sum up, the author says it's exceedingly popular but no one knows why!

NPR's Pop Culture Happy Hour podcast talked about Frozen two months ago. Linda Holmes, I think, talked very intelligently about how this is actually a somewhat subversive story as far as the traditional "princess movie" goes, and she liked it very much.
 
This movie touched me, and I do not know why. Yes, Let it Go is a great song, but the rest of the sound track is just okay. Certainly not the Lion King.

I don't know why it touched me. I am a man, and only have sons. There is nothing in that movie that directly relates to my life. But it touched me. :goodvibes
 
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My DH has been singing this soundtrack for a month since we saw it. We have no kids so it's not like he's heard any daughters singing it and it gets stuck in his head, he listens to the soundtrack by himself and sends me texts of the lyrics.

We saw Tangled eventually on Netflix but didn't really care for it. Frozen, on the other hand, was great in our opinion.
 
My dad was the same way! He really wanted to take dd to see the sing along version, and then was super upset because she had plans that morning, and our local theater was only showing it in the morning. When I told him that it was showing in the next town over in the afternoon he said "Thank goodness, I really want to watch it with the bouncing ball showing the words." WHA?! I don't think my dad ever took me to see a Disney movie in the theater, but there's something about Frozen, lol.
 
I found your comment interesting. I agree Frozen was very well done and IMO on a par with Little Mermaid. It was refreshing that sisterly love was so important and while Hans is the closest thing to a villain there really is no villain here.

In thinking about the Disney movies of the last 25 years I do not see a strong theme of damsel in distress saved by a guy.

So just for grins let's talk about some of them...


Little Mermaid

Was saved by her father - yes a guy, but not a romantic figure. And it was clear that the father contributed to her distressed situation. He was more in a role of redeeming himself than saving a hapless female.


But she also gives up everything - her country, home, her family, her tail - for a guy she doesn't even know. In fact, for a guy she's barely even glimpsed more than twice. She's even willing to die for the dude!

I'm with Ariel's dad... she needs a kick in the rear.

("But daddy! It's trooo wuv!")


Beauty and the Beast

She was saved by a beast who turned out to be a guy at the very end - and the beast/guy was also saved by Belle in a more important way than he saved her. The beast/guy was the one who imprisoned Belle.

Beast repeatedly yells at her and frightens her, but she quickly forgives him every time. And then decides she loves him... because he's willing to let her teach him to read.

She sings about wanting more than this provincial life, and about far off places, but ultimately settles for life in an isolated castle in the middle of the woods.


Aladdin

Villain Jafar has hero Aladdin in a prison, the father under his control and Jasmine in his sights. Yes she was distressed but so was everyone.

Biggest hero to save everyone here was the genie. Jasmine and Aladdin also acted heroically.


I do like Jasmine, but what I *really* liked was how Frozen made fun of the whole "falling in love at first meeting sequence". They were definitely poking fun at Aladdin there!


Lion King

Simba is the one in distress and needs saving. Partly by his father and partly by his friends.

And then Simba grows up to save his mum and all the other lionesses by defeating Scar. The lionesses did nothing to save themselves.

Of course, if you know anything about real lions, the story gets even more disturbing from there... ;)

Pocahontas

LOL, I did not see it. You tell me! :goodvibes


It's honestly not one of my favourites. The natives are noble and live in mystical harmony with the land. The Englishmen are buffoons who live in a industrial nightmare, polluting everything (except for John Smith - he's hot).

And the real 12 year old Pocahontas is transformed into a sexpot of a Disney princess. Catchy music, though!


Hunchback

Saw it once a long time ago. Seem to remember the hero was the hunchback. Yes a guy but more of perpetual juvenile and not a romantic savior.

The lesson: Crippled guys can pine after the hot chick, but they'll never get her. Because they're ugly and crippled and that's just not how Disney rolls.


Mulan

Did not see that one either! What I have heard is that Mulan is the hero who saves others.


Yes! Mulan pretends to be a guy in order to save China and kicks butt while busting gender stereotypes.

She doesn't even fall for the hero at first sight. They both have to earn each other's respect.

I love everything about Mulan!

Although, ultimately she can't stay in the army and her "happy ending" is just getting married and presumably popping out cute babies for the next several years.


Tarzan

Tarzan is saved by his gorilla friends. With their help he does away with the villain and does save Jane. And her father. So here the guy saves the girl and himself from distress. I guess this one fits the model pretty well of damsel being saved.

Pretty much, but I do enjoy the fact that Jane can draw.


Princess and the Frog

Did not see this one!

I did - it's part of the new series of Disney movies, and I think they've been knocking them out of the park lately. Tiana is a very strong role model for girls, and there's a nice lesson in there about not letting your ambitions get in the way of your relationships with the people you care about.

The male lead is as irresponsible as Tiana is overly responsible, and they both have to grow. Plus, great music!

Tangled

This works more of Rapunzel saving Flynn than vice versa.

True! The newest movies have been turning all the old Disney tropes on their heads. This one was almost more about the relationship between Rapunzel and her "mother", than about Rapunzel and Flynn.

Plus, she beans him with a frying pan on first meeting him, which is awesome.


My quick tour through recent history Disney animated heroines does not line up very well with a repeating theme of "damsel in distress being saved by a guy".

Debate, agreements and disagreements are all welcome!

:wizard:

I think the earliest Disney movies - Snow White, Sleeping Beauty and Cinderella (though she did have some backbone, at least!), set the tone for what a "Disney Movie" is supposed to be. And the Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast (can anyone say "Stockholm Syndrome"?) didn't really improve matters.

On the other hand, Tangled, Brave, Princess and the Frog and Frozen, have all taken the "Princess Movie" genre to an entirely new level.

I think Disney has a lot to be proud of! :thumbsup2
 
I found your comment interesting. I agree Frozen was very well done and IMO on a par with Little Mermaid. It was refreshing that sisterly love was so important and while Hans is the closest thing to a villain there really is no villain here.

In thinking about the Disney movies of the last 25 years I do not see a strong theme of damsel in distress saved by a guy.

So just for grins let's talk about some of them...


Little Mermaid

Was saved by her father - yes a guy, but not a romantic figure. And it was clear that the father contributed to her distressed situation. He was more in a role of redeeming himself than saving a hapless female.


Beauty and the Beast

She was saved by a beast who turned out to be a guy at the very end - and the beast/guy was also saved by Belle in a more important way than he saved her. The beast/guy was the one who imprisoned Belle.


Aladdin

Villain Jafar has hero Aladdin in a prison, the father under his control and Jasmine in his sights. Yes she was distressed but so was everyone.

Biggest hero to save everyone here was the genie. Jasmine and Aladdin also acted heroically.


Lion King

Simba is the one in distress and needs saving. Partly by his father and partly by his friends.


Pocahontas

LOL, I did not see it. You tell me! :goodvibes


Hunchback

Saw it once a long time ago. Seem to remember the hero was the hunchback. Yes a guy but more of perpetual juvenile and not a romantic savior.


Mulan

Did not see that one either! What I have heard is that Mulan is the hero who saves others.


Tarzan

Tarzan is saved by his gorilla friends. With their help he does away with the villain and does save Jane. And her father. So here the guy saves the girl and himself from distress. I guess this one fits the model pretty well of damsel being saved.


Princess and the Frog

Did not see this one!


Tangled

This works more of Rapunzel saving Flynn than vice versa.


My quick tour through recent history Disney animated heroines does not line up very well with a repeating theme of "damsel in distress being saved by a guy".

Debate, agreements and disagreements are all welcome!

:wizard:

I think people are usually referring to the early princess movies like Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty. Personally I find the attitude a bit tiresome. I agree that not every movie should depict a "damsel in distress" but what's wrong with having a strong, protective male depicted as well? It's like we want our sons to be respectful and chivalrous while at the same time telling them that women don't need or really want their help.

My DH has been singing this soundtrack for a month since we saw it. We have no kids so it's not like he's heard any daughters singing it and it gets stuck in his head, he listens to the soundtrack by himself and sends me texts of the lyrics.

We saw Tangled eventually on Netflix but didn't really care for it. Frozen, on the other hand, was great in our opinion.

Different strokes, I liked Frozen but by far I preferred Tangled. I think the music in Tangled is much better. I honestly liked Wreck it Ralph more than I liked Frozen.
 
The lesson: Crippled guys can pine after the hot chick, but they'll never get her. Because they're ugly and crippled and that's just not how Disney rolls.

To be fair here, in the actual story Esmerelda is hung. It's not like Quasimodo ended up with the girl in the original story and Disney changed it to make sure they didn't end up together.

Yes! Mulan pretends to be a guy in order to save China and kicks butt while busting gender stereotypes.

She doesn't even fall for the hero at first sight. They both have to earn each other's respect.

I love everything about Mulan!

Although, ultimately she can't stay in the army and her "happy ending" is just getting married and presumably popping out cute babies for the next several years.

Isn't there a sequel to Mulan already? I don't believe it included her popping out babies...

Overall, I honestly think Disney Princess movies are analyzed too much. I know that as a child I didn't pick up on most of the things that get written about Little Mermaid/Beauty and the Beast/etc. I doubt most kids do. :confused3. The only thing I "learned" from Disney movies was that I loved singing and wanted to sound as beautiful as the characters I loved. I went on to become a voice major in college and got a music education degree. Other than that, the movies were just fun entertainment.
 
We really disliked Frozen. We don't understand the popularity but are excited that people are patronizing Disney films and buying Disney merch.
 
I do like Jasmine, but what I *really* liked was how Frozen made fun of the whole "falling in love at first meeting sequence". They were definitely poking fun at Aladdin there!

Yah, but Aladdin had a flying carpet! Don't dis Jasmine's quick falling in love until you have had a guy take you on a magic carpet ride through an endless diamond sky!

All Hans could do was sing. :goodvibes

:wizard:
 
I'll tell you what....there has to be a bunch of high-level Disney execs fuming over all the lost revenue they are missing out on because of the lack of available Frozen merchandise (where Disney makes the real money). If there were Frozen t-shirts and other available merchandise for my DD, we would have spent a lot money. Every Disney store out there, Disneystore.com, all the shops at WDW & DLR...none of them have any of the merchandise people are dying to give Disney thier money for.
I was able to get my beautiful Elsa shirt from the DS, and Anna and Elsa shirts are still in stock. I can't wait to get the classic dolls though! They are restocking Early March/DVD release. Didn't Wreck It Ralph have the same effect?
 
To be fair here, in the actual story Esmerelda is hung. It's not like Quasimodo ended up with the girl in the original story and Disney changed it to make sure they didn't end up together.

I do think it was an odd choice of story for Disney.

I look forward to Disney's Les Miz! :lmao:


Isn't there a sequel to Mulan already? I don't believe it included her popping out babies...

A sequel! It doesn't sound half bad for "direct to video"...

A month after the events of the first film, General Shang asks Mulan for her hand in marriage, which she accepts. Hearing about their engagement, Mushu is thrilled for them-until the leader of the ancestors informs him that if Mulan gets married, he will lose his job as a guardian dragon and have to leave her and his pedestal, his place of honor as a guardian. The reason for this is because Mulan would be getting married to Shang, thus she becomes a part of his family which requires her to have his family ancestors and guardians.

Wanting to keep his job and his friend, Mushu attempts to tear the couple apart (especially for selfish reasons, but, officially, because he sees that they are not very compatible). Meanwhile, the Emperor calls upon Mulan and General Shang to escort his three daughters- Princesses Mei, Ting-Ting, and Su across China to be betrothed to three princes so that an alliance can be formed with the kingdom of Qui Gong. If the task is not completed within three days, the alliance will crumble, and the Mongols will destroy China.

Mulan and Shang set out, along with Yao, Ling and Chien-Po (from the first film), to safely escort the princesses to their new kingdom. However, due to Mushu's interferences and the fact that the three princesses are upset by their arranged marriages and actually love Chien-Po, Ling, and Yao, Mulan decides to go against her orders and, despite Shang's wishes, stop the joining of kingdoms. One night, Chien-Po, Ling and Yao take the princesses out to a village where they impress the girls with their antics. Meanwhile, Mushu tricks Shang into thinking Mulan is taking advantage of him.

They then go through bandit country. Pressured by Cri-Kee, Mushu confesses to Mulan what he had done. Enlightened about the news (yet mad at Mushu), Mulan attempts to reconcile with Shang when bandits attack. While saving the three princesses, the bridge Mulan and Shang are on breaks, leaving the two dangling off by a loose rope. Realizing that the rope can only support the weight of one person, Shang sacrifices his life to save Mulan and allows himself to fall into the river below.

Devastated by Shang's apparent death, Mulan continues on the trip alone to Qui Gong. Not wanting the princesses to be forced into a loveless marriage, and due to Shang's death, she offers herself to marry one of the ruler's sons. Shang, who actually survived the fall, soon hears about the news and rushes to stop the marriage. Mushu decides to help by pretending to be the Great Golden Dragon of Unity, and forces the ruler to stop the marriage. Still under the guise of the Great Golden Dragon, Mushu marries Mulan and Shang and releases the princesses from their vows. At the end, Shang combines the family temples, meaning that Mushu gets to keep his job. In his happiness, Mushu accidentally reveals himself to Shang, even though Mulan already told Shang about him. Mulan, Shang, and Mushu live happily ever after.

On the other hand, the entire story appears to be about about getting Mulan properly married off to Shang so they can have their "happily ever after". And presumably babies. ;) After all, it's not like the emperor is offering Mulan a career in escorting young ladies hither and yon!

She could definitely do worse than Shang, though!

Not sure what will happen to the princesses... being married off for political reasons is pretty much in a princess's job description, especially in a patriarchal country like ancient China.

Hopefully, they'll get better matches next time!

Overall, I honestly think Disney Princess movies are analyzed too much. I know that as a child I didn't pick up on most of the things that get written about Little Mermaid/Beauty and the Beast/etc. I doubt most kids do. :confused3. The only thing I "learned" from Disney movies was that I loved singing and wanted to sound as beautiful as the characters I loved. I went on to become a voice major in college and got a music education degree. Other than that, the movies were just fun entertainment.

The analysis is just for fun - a kind of fun entertainment in of itself. I don't think there's anything wrong with enjoying these movies just for themselves. And I don't think the movies damage young girls or should be banned. I happen to adore Sleeping Beauty and it's one of the "worst" for female role modelling. Aurora is SUCH an incredible airhead! :lmao: Doesn't stop me from re-watching the movie and singing the songs. (It's really the Fairies' story anyway.)

I just think it's an interesting exercise, and something enjoyable to do with your kids when they're older. Nothing wrong with teaching them to think about their entertainment critically!
 
I think people are usually referring to the early princess movies like Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty. Personally I find the attitude a bit tiresome. I agree that not every movie should depict a "damsel in distress" but what's wrong with having a strong, protective male depicted as well? It's like we want our sons to be respectful and chivalrous while at the same time telling them that women don't need or really want their help.
I agree. I just do not see Disney having a princess formula movie. Nothing wrong with a strong male being protective. Also nothing wrong with a strong woman who is smart (e.g., Belle) or feisty and independent (Jasmine).

If a guy like me with four sons can have a worthwhile opinion on this ;), the more recent Disney princesses are much more interesting than the early one's. From a guy's perspective.

:wizard:
 
I don't agree with the summation of Beauty and the Beast. I saw the story as her seeing beyond the Beast's gruff exterior and recognizing the good guy inside. She saved him from not only death but from himself in effect.

I suppose that we really should see Frozen. It's supposed to be out on video soon from what I understand.
 
By the way, if you're fond of Game of Thrones, as well as Frozen, there is this unofficial tee for sale over at Teefury.

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http://www.teefury.com/gallery/2885/Winter_is_Coming/

There's quite a few independent Frozen tees available online. Me, I'm holding out for a Frozen/Dr. Who mash-up. ;)
 





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