The Conservative Thread: Back to Basics. Pass the Lasagna and Have a Flower!!

[Tink & Goofy]

Ugh...trouble on the homefront.

Background:
My DS (19) let me use his computer awhile ago (mine wasn't available). I was logged into my email account. My brother sent me an invitation to be a friend on Facebook. I accepted, but the computer logged into my son's account, and added him as his friend. Oops. We joked about it. Oh well, no biggie...right?

Wrong.

This week, my son joined a conservative political group on Facebook. He is a conservative Christian young man. He is interested in the future of the Republican party, and politics. My brother saw this, and went to the site. He didn't like their stand against same-sex marriage, as this applies to him. He sent my son this long, very hurtful email saying that he and his partner want not only to be tolerated or accepted, but treated equally. He said by not sanctioning same-sex marriage we are attacking him. He said it is judgemental, and he is insulted.

Now...my son did not say one word to my brother. All he did was join a conservative political group on Facebook.

My brother said that his relationship with my son now feels superficial. He said he felt insulted and rejected by my son.

We are going out to my mother's...all of us...to celebrate Christmas and her 70th birthday. Now we have this over it all.

My poor son. He has finals and such the next few weeks, and he didn't need this laid on him. I think it is so rude of my brother, and really out of line.

And I feel so terrible because I am the one who accidentally made him a friend on Facebook.

(sigh...)...not the best way to start the day.

You tell your brother that. And you tell him that he's not respecting his nephew's beliefs or treating him equally. Just because that particular group believes that doesn't mean your son does, nor does it mean he loves his uncle less if he does believe that. You don't have to embrace someone else's lifestyle to love them.

 

[Muushka]

blestmom, that is a very sad situation. My first reaction was "who is the child here?".
Sounds like your brother to me.

I have lots of gay relatives (well, mostly X-relatives) who know exactly what my stance on homosexuality is and they have never once tried to convince me that I need to embrace their lifestyles. They know I do not agree with it but they also know that their sexuality has absolutely nothing to do with our relationship.

I wish your son the best in this situation (and you and your brother too).

 

[MeghansMommy]

Your brother accused his nephew of being judgmental for joining a facebook group?? So is your brother not being judgmental by making assumptions about his nephew based on something so trivial?? Does anyone subscribe to every single view of any group they are affiliated with?? He's not setting a very good example for that which he expects his nephew to model. He really should not have been so impulsive and allowed his emotions to dictate his response.

I agree with SM 100%. I'm sorry you and your son have to go through this.

If it makes you feel any better, my mom is very worried about Thanksgiving this year. My uncle is very, very, very liberal and outspoken (and so are his kids) and my mom just doesn't want to have to deal with them at Thanksgiving this year. My uncle has a policy of no forwarding of emails - he gets furious if you forward him something, but he has been forwarding my dad pro-Obama emails. My dad finally asked him to stop forwarding him stuff and now my uncle isn't talking to him. Sigh. So my mom doesn't know what to do.

I wish I had advice, but I agree with SM - who is the child here?

 

[AlexandNessa]

Hi everyone. I was away for a few days so forgive me while I catch up, but I just have one question:

Why did John McCain jump all over his staffers for calling BO by his full name, Barack Hussein Obama, yet, he won't stick up for Sarah Palin with all these latest attacks from "sources close to the campaign?"

I'm just baffled by that.

 

[wonderlanne]

I agree with SM 100%. I'm sorry you and your son have to go through this.

If it makes you feel any better, my mom is very worried about Thanksgiving this year. My uncle is very, very, very liberal and outspoken (and so are his kids) and my mom just doesn't want to have to deal with them at Thanksgiving this year. My uncle has a policy of no forwarding of emails - he gets furious if you forward him something, but he has been forwarding my dad pro-Obama emails. My dad finally asked him to stop forwarding him stuff and now my uncle isn't talking to him. Sigh. So my mom doesn't know what to do.

I wish I had advice, but I agree with SM - who is the child here?

so sad...lots of hugs... i actually lost a dear darling friend of 18 years over this issue. while he disagreed with my point of view, he said he appreciated my open and honest discussion about it. his partner did not and started the name calling. so sad. hope things work out for your family.

 

[sarasotamom]

Ugh...trouble on the homefront.

Background:
My DS (19) let me use his computer awhile ago (mine wasn't available). I was logged into my email account. My brother sent me an invitation to be a friend on Facebook. I accepted, but the computer logged into my son's account, and added him as his friend. Oops. We joked about it. Oh well, no biggie...right?

Wrong.

This week, my son joined a conservative political group on Facebook. He is a conservative Christian young man. He is interested in the future of the Republican party, and politics. My brother saw this, and went to the site. He didn't like their stand against same-sex marriage, as this applies to him. He sent my son this long, very hurtful email saying that he and his partner want not only to be tolerated or accepted, but treated equally. He said by not sanctioning same-sex marriage we are attacking him. He said it is judgemental, and he is insulted.

Now...my son did not say one word to my brother. All he did was join a conservative political group on Facebook.

My brother said that his relationship with my son now feels superficial. He said he felt insulted and rejected by my son.

We are going out to my mother's...all of us...to celebrate Christmas and her 70th birthday. Now we have this over it all.

My poor son. He has finals and such the next few weeks, and he didn't need this laid on him. I think it is so rude of my brother, and really out of line.

And I feel so terrible because I am the one who accidentally made him a friend on Facebook.

(sigh...)...not the best way to start the day.

Relax...Let them talk it out. I know I am in the minority here. Times have changed..The Republican party will never be what it once was if we do not stop putting our morals beliefs into society. I realize that this thread is very religiously conservative. People are changing, and although it breaks my heart, pro-choice is accepted by most of the younger generation. Christians or not.

McCain did not win because the Republican party has become just as spend happy as the Dems. I voted for McCain. and I must admit that it was after alot of soul searching. The Republicans did not have a chance this year. The final nail in the coffin was McCain supporting the bailout.

If your brother is gay, I find it quite astounding that you do not support him. He is not asking that you and your children bask in his homosexuality, he is asking for the same rights that heterosexuals have enjoyed since the beginning of time.

I know I will be flamed for this, but the Republican party has shown that it is a party of intolerance. Jesus was not judgemental. Did he not, preach to the sinners of his time?? He is the one to judge, not us.

I pray each day that Obama will govern from the center, I know that if he governs from his election platform, he will be a socialist. I am just saying, that if you want to be a viable party, you need to stop the judgement on abortion and gay issues. Just go look at the abortion thread. It breaks my heart that abortion is taken so lightly. This comes from a 50 year-old woman, that became pregnant at 16 and had the baby. I am still married to the man of my dreams. We have had 2 other beautiful children that were all raised the same way. My oldest is a democrat and much to my dismay voted for Obama. My middle daughter is a staunch conservative. My son is gay. But he is willing to put his social issues on the back burner and voted for McCain, He even had a McCain/Palin sign in his dorm window. All I am saying, is open your hearts. Gay issues are not all about sex. I am extremely proud of my son. To the poster, think of your brother's heart not the fact that he is gay. I promise he will not turn your son gay.

Seriously, I was raised in a very Christian family. I know the Bible. Didn't Jesus forgive the murderer next to him when he was crucified for our sins? Judging others is a sin. Just something to think about.

I want this country to become the country that it once was. I do not want to live in a nanny state. Nor do I want to become a country that does not fight for its freedom. All of this is in danger if the party does not refrain from the intolerance that many think this party has become. It makes me scared that if the party does not change, we will become a duplicate of Europe. I shudder to think of this happening.

 

[Grog]

Uh, oh.... Another dose of reality for Obama and his supporters. The WSJ is reporting that Obama is likely to keep in place many of Bush's counter-terrorism policies and executive orders after briefings from pragmatic security advisers. Ironically, Obama and civil-liberty groups blasted Bush for many of these "secretive" policies while on the campaign trail.

It's also funny to see that the Puffington Post has noted the WSJ story... and has disabled reader comments to it! I guess they don't want people criticizing The One.

H and his followers are about to learn that it's very easy to criticize when you're on the outside looking in. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when he was briefed on all the things he thought he knew.

 

[tinkryansmom]

The mans arrogance continues to astound me.

But on the upside...facing a relocation here...can I expect my check anytime soon!?

 

[SwedishMeatball]

Relax...Let them talk it out. I know I am in the minority here. Times have changed..The Republican party will never be what it once was if we do not stop putting our morals beliefs into society. I realize that this thread is very religiously conservative. People are changing, and although it breaks my heart, pro-choice is accepted by most of the younger generation. Christians or not.

McCain did not win because the Republican party has become just as spend happy as the Dems. I voted for McCain. and I must admit that it was after alot of soul searching. The Republicans did not have a chance this year. The final nail in the coffin was McCain supporting the bailout.

If your brother is gay, I find it quite astounding that you do not support him. He is not asking that you and your children bask in his homosexuality, he is asking for the same rights that heterosexuals have enjoyed since the beginning of time.

I know I will be flamed for this, but the Republican party has shown that it is a party of intolerance. Jesus was not judgemental. Did he not, preach to the sinners of his time?? He is the one to judge, not us.

I pray each day that Obama will govern from the center, I know that if he governs from his election platform, he will be a socialist. I am just saying, that if you want to be a viable party, you need to stop the judgement on abortion and gay issues. Just go look at the abortion thread. It breaks my heart that abortion is taken so lightly. This comes from a 50 year-old woman, that became pregnant at 16 and had the baby. I am still married to the man of my dreams. We have had 2 other beautiful children that were all raised the same way. My oldest is a democrat and much to my dismay voted for Obama. My middle daughter is a staunch conservative. My son is gay. But he is willing to put his social issues on the back burner and voted for McCain, He even had a McCain/Palin sign in his dorm window. All I am saying, is open your hearts. Gay issues are not all about sex. I am extremely proud of my son. To the poster, think of your brother's heart not the fact that he is gay. I promise he will not turn your son gay.

Seriously, I was raised in a very Christian family. I know the Bible. Didn't Jesus forgive the murderer next to him when he was crucified for our sins? Judging others is a sin. Just something to think about.

I want this country to become the country that it once was. I do not want to live in a nanny state. Nor do I want to become a country that does not fight for its freedom. All of this is in danger if the party does not refrain from the intolerance that many think this party has become. It makes me scared that if the party does not change, we will become a duplicate of Europe. I shudder to think of this happening.

Did I miss something?? There are long running religious threads on the DIS and I have not participated in those. The people who hang out on this thread have a broad range of opinions on everything from the war, to abortion, to civil rights issues, etc. I'm not sure if you are honing in on certain posts/posters, but I feel like you are painting with a really broad brush in your generalizations of who conservatives represent. I realize that the far Christian right has had a loud voice, but do you think that you're alone in not supporting all of their issues??

 

[Tink & Goofy]

sarasotamom, I pm'd you.

 

[rie'smom]

Ugh...trouble on the homefront.

Background:
My DS (19) let me use his computer awhile ago (mine wasn't available). I was logged into my email account. My brother sent me an invitation to be a friend on Facebook. I accepted, but the computer logged into my son's account, and added him as his friend. Oops. We joked about it. Oh well, no biggie...right?

Wrong.

This week, my son joined a conservative political group on Facebook. He is a conservative Christian young man. He is interested in the future of the Republican party, and politics. My brother saw this, and went to the site. He didn't like their stand against same-sex marriage, as this applies to him. He sent my son this long, very hurtful email saying that he and his partner want not only to be tolerated or accepted, but treated equally. He said by not sanctioning same-sex marriage we are attacking him. He said it is judgemental, and he is insulted.

Now...my son did not say one word to my brother. All he did was join a conservative political group on Facebook.

My brother said that his relationship with my son now feels superficial. He said he felt insulted and rejected by my son.

We are going out to my mother's...all of us...to celebrate Christmas and her 70th birthday. Now we have this over it all.

My poor son. He has finals and such the next few weeks, and he didn't need this laid on him. I think it is so rude of my brother, and really out of line.

And I feel so terrible because I am the one who accidentally made him a friend on Facebook.

(sigh...)...not the best way to start the day.

What a maroon your brother is. He needs to understand that it's not all about him. Your son is a child for pity's sake.

Hi everyone. I was away for a few days so forgive me while I catch up, but I just have one question:

Why did John McCain jump all over his staffers for calling BO by his full name, Barack Hussein Obama, yet, he won't stick up for Sarah Palin with all these latest attacks from "sources close to the campaign?"

I'm just baffled by that.

Me too!

Relax...Let them talk it out. I know I am in the minority here. Times have changed..The Republican party will never be what it once was if we do not stop putting our morals beliefs into society. I realize that this thread is very religiously conservative. People are changing, and although it breaks my heart, pro-choice is accepted by most of the younger generation. Christians or not.

McCain did not win because the Republican party has become just as spend happy as the Dems. I voted for McCain. and I must admit that it was after alot of soul searching. The Republicans did not have a chance this year. The final nail in the coffin was McCain supporting the bailout.

If your brother is gay, I find it quite astounding that you do not support him. He is not asking that you and your children bask in his homosexuality, he is asking for the same rights that heterosexuals have enjoyed since the beginning of time.

I know I will be flamed for this, but the Republican party has shown that it is a party of intolerance. Jesus was not judgemental. Did he not, preach to the sinners of his time?? He is the one to judge, not us.

I pray each day that Obama will govern from the center, I know that if he governs from his election platform, he will be a socialist. I am just saying, that if you want to be a viable party, you need to stop the judgement on abortion and gay issues. Just go look at the abortion thread. It breaks my heart that abortion is taken so lightly. This comes from a 50 year-old woman, that became pregnant at 16 and had the baby. I am still married to the man of my dreams. We have had 2 other beautiful children that were all raised the same way. My oldest is a democrat and much to my dismay voted for Obama. My middle daughter is a staunch conservative. My son is gay. But he is willing to put his social issues on the back burner and voted for McCain, He even had a McCain/Palin sign in his dorm window. All I am saying, is open your hearts. Gay issues are not all about sex. I am extremely proud of my son. To the poster, think of your brother's heart not the fact that he is gay. I promise he will not turn your son gay.

Seriously, I was raised in a very Christian family. I know the Bible. Didn't Jesus forgive the murderer next to him when he was crucified for our sins? Judging others is a sin. Just something to think about.

I want this country to become the country that it once was. I do not want to live in a nanny state. Nor do I want to become a country that does not fight for its freedom. All of this is in danger if the party does not refrain from the intolerance that many think this party has become. It makes me scared that if the party does not change, we will become a duplicate of Europe. I shudder to think of this happening.

I don't think we're very religious conservative. We all, as far as I know, believe in God, but that doesn't make us religious conservatives it means we have faith PERIOD.

Yes he forgave the thieves but he only told 1 of them,""Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."

You don't know what blestmom feels about her gay brother. She's not obligated to accept his choice.

 

[agentpleakley]

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Bummer that the coupon can't be used on the Palin 12 stuff.

I'm sure this won't be a popular opinion among the kool-aid drinking masses:



I thought it was the Office of the President-elect and not Obama's transition office? Get with it reporters!

Well - at least I'm not alone with my opinion.


Some nutjob called into our local conservative radio show this morning. Here is what she said "You people need to watch what you are saying about Barack Obama you may end up getting hurt." WTH? PTS = nutjobs.

 

[Tink & Goofy]

Some nutjob called into our local conservative radio show this morning. Here is what she said "You people need to watch what you are saying about Barack Obama you may end up getting hurt." WTH? PTS = nutjobs.

Wow.

 

[breezy1077]

I don't know what very religeously conservative means. If it means that I'm a conservative AND I believe in God AND actually talk about it - then yeah, I guess I am.

I refuse to apologize for being conservative and believing in God. I don't consider it a problem, or a conflict.

 

[sarasotamom]

Okay,you have all given me the same views that all Christians (I choose to call them hypocrites) have given me. I have only posted on this thread, I think 3 times. I am relatively new to this. I have only looked at this and the thread before this. I did not mean to hurt anyones feelings. I was just trying to give my views on this. And I have been attacked on this board and on private messages. Kinda like a high school clique. I give up. This proves that the conservative right-wing of the Republican is a party of intolerance. I pity all of you. Someday you will be judged by the big guy. And it will not be pretty. Your hatred speaks volumns from a women that was trying to reach out for understanding and got made to feel like an outsider from the most of you. Have a nice evening

 

[NC State]

I don't know what very religeously conservative means. If it means that I'm a conservative AND I believe in God AND actually talk about it - then yeah, I guess I am.

I refuse to apologize for being conservative and believing in God. I don't consider it a problem, or a conflict.

Amen!

 

[breezy1077]

Okay,you have all given me the same views that all Christians (I choose to call them hypocrites) have given me.

Ahhhhhh....I think I understand.

 

[Tink & Goofy]

I will not be guilted into abandoning my Christian beliefs because someone thinks I should believe a certain way that they do.

And all Christians are hypocrites. Awesome.

 

[SwedishMeatball]

Okay,you have all given me the same views that all Christians (I choose to call them hypocrites) have given me. I have only posted on this thread, I think 3 times. I am relatively new to this. I have only looked at this and the thread before this. I did not mean to hurt anyones feelings. I was just trying to give my views on this. And I have been attacked on this board and on private messages. Kinda like a high school clique. I give up. This proves that the conservative right-wing of the Republican is a party of intolerance. I pity all of you. Someday you will be judged by the big guy. And it will not be pretty. Your hatred speaks volumns from a women that was trying to reach out for understanding and got made to feel like an outsider from the most of you. Have a nice evening

There you go again. I have no clue what you're even talking about. You came here making assumptions. You clearly have not followed ALL posts or you wouldn't make such all-encompassing statements. Honestly, I think you let your emotions regarding your gay brother cause you to leap to conclusions without having all the facts. You're also being rather dramatic with your accusations of people attacking and being hateful towards you.

 

[wonderlanne]

This proves that the conservative right-wing of the Republican is a party of intolerance. I pity all of you. Someday you will be judged by the big guy. And it will not be pretty.

wow...based on, ummmm...a couple of short posts and a private message?