The bus...

[si-am]

IT absolutely doesn't mean you deserve a seat over someone else. It has nothing to do with what someone deserves it has to do with what is right and decent. It only shows that you are a bad person who is not kind to others for not displaying kindness.

That the odd thing about this thread I don't think anyone is saying that they are entitled to a seat because they are pregnant, handicapped, elderly ect. They are just saying that because of people like you who are not kind and not courteous that Disney is becoming a worse place. It is nice to see places where people are kind and offer up a seat to those who need it more not those who "deserve" it. If any side of this is saying they are entitled it would be those who think they do not have to give up their seat.

Huh? This is a big contradiction. It doesn't make much sense.

And "people like me" what? You don't know the first thing about me.

 

[TinkerBelle920]

But very very few people say this. Most who are pregant or who travel with small kids do NOT expect a seat, but yet are very gracious and thankful to others when a seat is offerred.

And a lot of people will still find it courteous to gve up a seat to someone who is pregnant or has small kids. There is a difference between the two (expecting vs being thankful).

Why try to judge everyone?

This is exactly my point well said. I think this board clearly seperates those who care about others and those who are selfish very distincly

 

[skater]

Deal

But ONLY if you'll accept my, polite stated, decline of your offer. Don't be offended by it. It is just my way of living up the standards that I believe were put before me my entire life (that I am capable of fending for myself and do not need a seat on the bus just because I am female). The same standards I passed along to my children who also do the same. If that makes me somehow a bad person, I can live with it.....

There was at least one poster on this thread who stated that they would attempt to guilt the woman into taking the seat - not sure that I see the chivalry in that, to be honest.

I wouldn't agree with someone guilting a woman into taking a seat either. I guess I have a weird blend of liberal and conservative values. I have taught my sons and my daughter to give up their seats for someone needier than they are. At the same time, I have taught my sons conservative values as far as how to treat women. But they also know that women are equal (not the same, but equal) to men and that they will be competing against them in the work world. I know that everyone won't agree with this, but there it is . And I don't believe that you're a bad person either .

 

[KSDisneyDad]

Actually there are a few posters who are definitely saying that they are entitled to a seat because they have kids, are pregnant, whatever; including one who will "glare" at those who do not give up their seat.

I'm just curious, what part of being "kind and courteous" covers referring to other posters as "trash"?

Unfortunately, you are right. There are those on BOTH sides of this debate that are crass and rude. It doesn't make either side more "right" than the other. I just think extreme positions are uncalled for on either side of this discussion.

 

[tony609]

What a thread! I offer my seat, if I am in a position to do so if I am not stuck in the back to elderly, people in need (crutches, a cast, a pregnant lady) NOT because their weaker but I was raised to do so. I would feel horrible if a driver turned a quick/sharp corner and caused a pregnant woman to fall or a man holding a child to fall. My friends and I hold doors open for each other ( guys/girls) and for others just to be polite and nice not because anyone is weaker by their gender just to be polite. I was raised to open and hold doors open for others and people do it for me , even women have held doors for me if they were first, it's just polite and if I am wrong I don't wanna be right in this case.

 

[brunette8706]

Thanks. I do agree with your assessment of PirateJeff,

As much as I dislike those who believe that they are entitled to my seat, I dislike at least as much, those who react rudely when a seat is offered to them. It has happened (though rarely) to me, when I've offered up my seat. I would never do it to someone else (nor am I going to try to guess why they offered their seat).

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Agreed. I just don't understand why people would be insulted if a seat was offered to them? The person offering the seat is doing it as a "kind" gesture. I can't believe someone would do that to you (act rude) when you tried to give up your seat! SHEESH!!! Give me a break. I think most people at Walt Disney World are kind, but you also get some rude ones too!

Take care! Brunette

 

[skater]

Unfortunately, you are right. There are those on BOTH sides of this debate that are crass and rude. It doesn't make either side more "right" than the other. I just think extreme positions are uncalled for on either side of this discussion.

I like this.

 

[skater]

What a thread! I offer my seat, if I am in a position to do so if I am not stuck in the back to elderly, people in need (crutches, a cast, a pregnant lady) NOT because their weaker but I was raised to do so. I would feel horrible if a driver turned a quick/sharp corner and caused a pregnant woman to fall or a man holding a child to fall. My friends and I hold doors open for each other ( guys/girls) and for others just to be polite and nice not because anyone is weaker by their gender just to be polite. I was raised to open and hold doors open for others and people do it for me , even women have held doors for me if they were first, it's just polite and if I am wrong I don't wanna be right in this case.

You sound like somebody we would like a lot .

 

[queendisney]

I have to agree. I did not hang around today, but went back and tried to see what some people were talking about and could not find posts to support what they were reacting to.

So in summary.....

It does not matter who you are (we have clarified there were no Queen elections), you should not EXPECT someone to give you a seat.

If you are OFFERED a seat and want to take it-wonderful!

If you NEED a seat, you need to plan ahead. Wait for another bus, rent a car, learn to fly, build a jetpack-shove people out of the way.... (oh wait that is the WRONG thing to do) ahem

It is not possible to KNOW why a person is in a seat. It may be a medical issue, they may be a jerk. Either way "staring them down" or calling them names is not going to get you a seat.

Your child, husband, goat, twins, stroller or whatever is not ENTITLED to a seat. It is up to you as the "grownup" to meet your families needs. And you need to do it in a "grown up manner".

You can't fix stupid (and I know-anymore "stupid" is on a sliding scale), nor can you "educate" or teach manners to someone who does not want to learn. (Especially on a 15-20 minute bus ride).

Oh and you can't pool hop. (Ooops wrong thread)

OMG you just made be LOL...
But you have it in a nutshell. I vote you king or queen!!!

 

[brunette8706]

What a thread! I offer my seat, if I am in a position to do so if I am not stuck in the back to elderly, people in need (crutches, a cast, a pregnant lady) NOT because their weaker but I was raised to do so. I would feel horrible if a driver turned a quick/sharp corner and caused a pregnant woman to fall or a man holding a child to fall. My friends and I hold doors open for each other ( guys/girls) and for others just to be polite and nice not because anyone is weaker by their gender just to be polite. I was raised to open and hold doors open for others and people do it for me , even women have held doors for me if they were first, it's just polite and if I am wrong I don't wanna be right in this case.

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[goofy4tink]

I think a lot of folks here on the DIS just really think there are too many small children at Disney. The stroller debates seem to get just as heated. There seems to be so much vitriole toward people who come to Disney with more than one child. I guess they just bottle up the sidewalks and buses so much.

Mabye Disney should go child free so everyone on the DIS can have their happy place to themselves.

Lighten up folks. Here's a secret. If you give your seat up to someone who really needs it........ it makes YOU feel good too. But don't tell anyone. This thread might die on the vine.

Not too many kids at WDW...or too many strollers. BUT...perhaps too many parents who think only of their immediate family and forget there are others around them. Too much of the 'you first, right after me' mentality lately.

Why is that raising them right? to raise them to think of woman as the weaker sex that needs a man to stand so they can sit? nope that "manner" was based totally on woman not being able to do the same things as men that they weren't strong enough. So they what think you are equal but so weak you can't stand up? I am NOT raising my son to feel this way. If a girl is thought to be equal to him in everything including sports then she is equal to him as far as standing up on a bus.

I think that is raising boys to think of woman as not being equal and isn't right.

Ah, my son certainly doesn't consider me the 'fairer sex' and unable to deal with things like doors all by my little self. BUT..he was raised to get up when adults come into a room, to greet people when needed, and to hold doors open for women. He does not charge through a door, with little regard for who is behind him. He does not charge into a car, leaving his wife to climb in with all her packages. Does this make either his wife or his mother weak? Nope. It makes him mannerful...period. I highly doubt anyone is saying that your son should get up, and offer his seat to an 18 y/o young woman. Of course she's able to stand on a bus. But, what about when an 80 y/o woman gets on the bus??? Is that any different??

Do you just stand there and wait for them to open the door for you? I think you are sending a horrible message to your children - that somehow the boys are expected to wait on the girls, just because the boys are missing a piece of a chromosome!

If I get to that door before my dh or ds, yeah, I open it. If either one gets there at the same time, or before me, then yep, they hold it for me. I, on the other hand, have held plenty of doors for men. It's polite. You hold a door for those behind you.
My dh often carries it to an extreme. I may get to the door first, but he just has to reach around me, in order to get it open and hold it for me. You can carry it too far dear!!!!!


This whole discussion is just nutty. Those goats are looking better all the time. How hard is it to figure out if someone needs a seat more than you do?? Not very. If you choose to remain seated, for whatever reason, so be it. Sit there and don't worry about it. It is a very, very small percentage of people that get all in a dither about 'seating on the buses' and it seems that they all congregate here.
Oh, and another thing??? You really need to be careful how you word things on the internet. Even though you don't mean to be rude, it happens. People can't see your expression, or they don't know exactly how you mean something...and nine times out of ten, they are going to take it the wrong way.

Truly???? Goats? Fairer sex??? Breeding??

 

[brunette8706]

Unfortunately, you are right. There are those on BOTH sides of this debate that are crass and rude. It doesn't make either side more "right" than the other. I just think extreme positions are uncalled for on either side of this discussion.

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Nice post, I also agree and like it!

 

[brunette8706]

Not too many kids at WDW...or too many strollers. BUT...perhaps too many parents who think only of their immediate family and forget there are others around them. Too much of the 'you first, right after me' mentality lately.


Ah, my son certainly doesn't consider me the 'fairer sex' and unable to deal with things like doors all by my little self. BUT..he was raised to get up when adults come into a room, to greet people when needed, and to hold doors open for women. He does not charge through a door, with little regard for who is behind him. He does not charge into a car, leaving his wife to climb in with all her packages. Does this make either his wife or his mother weak? Nope. It makes him mannerful...period. I highly doubt anyone is saying that your son should get up, and offer his seat to an 18 y/o young woman. Of course she's able to stand on a bus. But, what about when an 80 y/o woman gets on the bus??? Is that any different??


If I get to that door before my dh or ds, yeah, I open it. If either one gets there at the same time, or before me, then yep, they hold it for me. I, on the other hand, have held plenty of doors for men. It's polite. You hold a door for those behind you.
My dh often carries it to an extreme. I may get to the door first, but he just has to reach around me, in order to get it open and hold it for me. You can carry it too far dear!!!!!


This whole discussion is just nutty. Those goats are looking better all the time. How hard is it to figure out if someone needs a seat more than you do?? Not very. If you choose to remain seated, for whatever reason, so be it. Sit there and don't worry about it. It is a very, very small percentage of people that get all in a dither about 'seating on the buses' and it seems that they all congregate here.
Oh, and another thing??? You really need to be careful how you word things on the internet. Even though you don't mean to be rude, it happens. People can't see your expression, or they don't know exactly how you mean something...and nine times out of ten, they are going to take it the wrong way.

Truly???? Goats? Fairer sex??? Breeding??

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GREAT POST!!!!!!!!!! Two thumbs Up!

 

[crashbb]

I highly doubt anyone is saying that your son should get up, and offer his seat to an 18 y/o young woman. Of course she's able to stand on a bus. But, what about when an 80 y/o woman gets on the bus??? Is that any different??

But wouldn't you also expect him to offer his seat to an 80 year old MAN? The gender seems rather irrelevant. Not being snarky, I'm honestly curious.

 

[KellyNY]

I think she inadvertently quoted you as you had agreed with AustinTink. That was my recollection. Why make her out to be the bad person when she was just pointing out how nice most people are at Disney and how thankful she was for them when she was there and that she never expected anyone to give up their seat, but again was glad they did.

She never brought up why she had her kids close together due to her husband's cancer until she was personally attacked by AustinTink.

Or she snapped because me an others pointed out her responsibility for her kids as her own choices. Nobody, including AustinTink were asking why she had kids, it was just a point that all of it was her choices. All this snapping and CAPS to me, wrong person to address your anger to in a first place, were completely away from the main point and not even close to be related to the situation.

Just to be clear as half of the posts were deleted, I do not care how many kids you have and how often, please have triplets every year if you want, I do not juge you for that, as there is nothing to judge for, BUT be responsible for all your kids and do not rely on or expect someones help, it may not come an situation you created may bite you badly.

If someone see something wrong with my post or my logic or my view on parenting, go ahead and flame me. It is my personal and professional opinion since I see due to my job way to many kids getting hurt due to not bad parents but not thinking parents.

 

[mom2rtk]

nope i wouldn't because i more than likely waited fir a bus in order to seat with my child. Otherwise i would be standing. So i should make my life more complicated to ease someone else?

Yes. In select circumstances, when you see someone in need and want to be courteous and compassionate. ABSOLUTELY YES.

It actually benefits more than the recipient. It feels good to you too, tired legs and all.

 

[Hannathy]

But wouldn't you also expect him to offer his seat to an 80 year old MAN? The gender seems rather irrelevant. Not being snarky, I'm honestly curious.

This is what I'm saying. Sex has nothing to do with it. I would also hope my DD would get up if she could.

Holding doors also is just a courtesy you hold it for whoever is behind you man, woman or child not because of their sex.

It is only the gender only based "manners" that are archaic .

 

[Dizneefamily+4]

Not too many kids at WDW...or too many strollers. BUT...perhaps too many parents who think only of their immediate family and forget there are others around them. Too much of the 'you first, right after me' mentality lately.


Ah, my son certainly doesn't consider me the 'fairer sex' and unable to deal with things like doors all by my little self. BUT..he was raised to get up when adults come into a room, to greet people when needed, and to hold doors open for women. He does not charge through a door, with little regard for who is behind him. He does not charge into a car, leaving his wife to climb in with all her packages. Does this make either his wife or his mother weak? Nope. It makes him mannerful...period. I highly doubt anyone is saying that your son should get up, and offer his seat to an 18 y/o young woman. Of course she's able to stand on a bus. But, what about when an 80 y/o woman gets on the bus??? Is that any different??

Well said!
If I get to that door before my dh or ds, yeah, I open it. If either one gets there at the same time, or before me, then yep, they hold it for me. I, on the other hand, have held plenty of doors for men. It's polite. You hold a door for those behind you.
My dh often carries it to an extreme. I may get to the door first, but he just has to reach around me, in order to get it open and hold it for me. You can carry it too far dear!!!!!


This whole discussion is just nutty. Those goats are looking better all the time. How hard is it to figure out if someone needs a seat more than you do?? Not very. If you choose to remain seated, for whatever reason, so be it. Sit there and don't worry about it. It is a very, very small percentage of people that get all in a dither about 'seating on the buses' and it seems that they all congregate here.
Oh, and another thing??? You really need to be careful how you word things on the internet. Even though you don't mean to be rude, it happens. People can't see your expression, or they don't know exactly how you mean something...and nine times out of ten, they are going to take it the wrong way.

Truly???? Goats? Fairer sex??? Breeding??

Very well said!!

 

[brunette8706]

OMG you just made be LOL...
But you have it in a nutshell. I vote you king or queen!!!

This is what I'm saying. Sex has nothing to do with it. I would also hope my DD would get up if she could.

Holding doors also is just a courtesy you hold it for whoever is behind you man, woman or child not because of their sex.

It is only the gender only based "manners" that are archaic .

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I do this all the time (hold doors for men/women and children.) I would think most people would.

 

[goofy4tink]

But wouldn't you also expect him to offer his seat to an 80 year old MAN? The gender seems rather irrelevant. Not being snarky, I'm honestly curious.

Crap......Yes, absolutely. I forgot where I was and what I wanted to say. Tends to happen to me more and more often..must be that old age creeping up on me.

80 y/o man, woman...doesn't matter to me.