The bus...

[crashbb]

And that is fine by me. My conscience would be clear so I have no worries. On the other hand, those people who do not help others have to deal with their inner voice which will hurt them far more than my stares in the long run.

Their inner voice is more likely saying - "Wow, what a jerk. I'm so glad that I didn't do anything to help her. I was starting to feel guilty that I couldn't get up because (insert reason, even if it is just "I didn't feel like it"), but she showed her true colours and I no longer have any bad feelings"

Really, you are doing them a favour!

 

[Cafeen]

Unfortunately, in a lot of cases these days, common courtesy isn't so common anymore.

It ran off to elope with personal responsibility .

The only thing that an attempt to "stare me down" will achieve is for me to decide NOT to get up for you/your kids, no matter what. As soon as I notice someone struggling I will offer my seat (if I can - I have a connective tissue disorder, which means that sometimes I really do want/need) the seat, but, if I feel that someone is "staring me down", but butt stays firmly planted in that seat.

Yep, as I've said a few times, I'll gladly get up for anyone 9 times out of 10, without being asked. However, the moment someone "demands" (and that includes giving the glare after a polite "No, sorry, I can't do it this evening"), then I'm sitting all day just to spite you. Yup, I'm that petty.

In my initial post, I did not mention that the 'stare you down' comes after asking you for some help and/or seat. I totally agree that staring someone down without opening your mouth first is rude. You'll get no disagreement from me there.

But, if I ask and you either ignore me or say no - then yes, I am going to stare you down. That's where I draw my line in the sand.

The proper response when met with a "no" or even an ignore (how do you know they heard you or were even paying attention, I know I've been off in my own little world more than once) is a simple polite "ok then". Not a staring match. That's just answering perceived rudeness with rudeness and likely to get you nowhere.

wow you sound like you are either the perfect parent or have zero kids. I'm guessing zero kids with that response. Clearly no one with kids should go to Disney World at all lest they get tired and need to go back to the resort for bedtime/snacktime, etc......


Could I have worded my reply better - yep. But you are arguing for the losing team. It's as simple as that. No matter how poorly I word my argument, it is a terrible thing to just sit there and do nothing. Shame on you.

So, us with zero kids should be forced to stand all the time? Heck, we shouldn't even be let into Disney without kids since it's all about them. (See, I can make hyperbolic responses too!)

The answer, as always, lies in the middle. If you don't get on demanding someone else get up, and graciously accept it when no one does, then everything's fine. If you get on a bus not expecting to sit, and you're thankful when someone does offer up their seat, again, everything's fine.

The issue comes in when you get on the bus, demand a seat, and then glare at those who don't follow your orders. You are now into the realm of expecting total strangers to take the responsibility that you should have taken yourself.

Now, suffice to say, I've never seen this at Disney (well, once, a poor ECV lady starting complaining when the bus that was packed to the gills (I was standing ON the white line) couldn't fit her on after the monorails went down, but that's different). During my trips (late Sept at CSR), everyone has been friendly, graciously offering their seat or accepting the necessity to stand. (And I ride buses the entire trip too, early morning, midday, and late at night). When I've remained seated (due to last year's misjudgement on footwear), I never once got the evil glare, and when I've seen others sitting, I've never seen them get it either. So, for the most part, it's purely theoretical, but my pettiness stands .

 

[si-am]

wow you sound like you are either the perfect parent or have zero kids. I'm guessing zero kids with that response. Clearly no one with kids should go to Disney World at all lest they get tired and need to go back to the resort for bedtime/snacktime, etc......


Could I have worded my reply better - yep. But you are arguing for the losing team. It's as simple as that. No matter how poorly I word my argument, it is a terrible thing to just sit there and do nothing. Shame on you.

Yep, shame on me for doing nothing in this hypothetical situation that never actually happened. I will tell you that the other person's attitude would definitely shape my response in such a situation, and being "stared down" whatever that really means, would probably just make me too annoyed to bother helping.

 

[crashbb]

I guess because I had my kids so close in age, I am a bad mother to them or because I had too much stuff, do you ever stop to think about what you are saying, or that you dont know the whole story, like the fact that my husband had cancer, and THATS why I had to have them so close together, so I COULD HAVE THEM!!! If there was no room to sit I would have gotten off and waited and I DID more than once, I would NEVER endanger my children for a simple bus ride at disney, what an ignorant mean assumption!!!! I am aware my kids are my responsibility, trust me!! and I am so thankful to the people that didnt FLAME or or JUDGE me for having kids 11 months apart because they didnt know the whole story as to why.... I am not sure why you felt the to say the things you did... I never felt someone should give up their seat ... I simply said they always did and I was grateful!!!!!!

Not that you quoted me, but in case you are feeling beaten up, I would never flame or judge you for having kids close together (my mum had my brother and me 16 months apart due to her own illness).

Nor, would I ever flame someone for being grateful that others gave up their seats (in most cases, I would be one of those seat giver uppers).

What I do have a problem with is people like the PP, who somehow feel that they were elected the supreme Queen of the Universe (must have missed those elections) and have the right to berate others into given her a seat. From your posts (at least to me), you do not appear to fall into this group feeling entitled to control others.

 

[smalltowngirl504]

As insulting and rude as implying people who don't give up their seat have no conscience or morals. And, since I have a child, I'm a breeder, too. And, I don't expect a seat for it.

These threads go around and around on this issue and have been for years. It's been beaten to death.

First of all I was reffing to those who said they wouldnt give up their seat for anyone, it was their seat, the other people can just wait, they were there first, I didnt specify people with children,but someone who wouldnt give up their seat on a bus anywhere, not just disney, to a person that clearly needed it when they do, in my eyes its wrong...it doesnt have to be a family with kids, just the basic concept Maybe saying what I said was harsh and I'll take blame for that, but judging someone when you dont know their back story, is simply hurtful!! You don't know me, or my children, or their story, or mine, so I'd appreciate if you didn't judge my family, because you have no idea what we as a family have been through..to have my wonderful children!

 

[livndisney]

The answer, as always, lies in the middle. If you don't get on demanding someone else get up, and graciously accept it when no one does, then everything's fine. If you get on a bus not expecting to sit, and you're thankful when someone does offer up their seat, again, everything's fine.

The issue comes in when you get on the bus, demand a seat, and then glare at those who don't follow your orders. You are now into the realm of expecting total strangers to take the responsibility that you should have taken yourself.

Oh sure just come along and post logic. That is like expecting people to use common sense while on vacation

BTW according to people here-you should be standing not your pettiness LOL

 

[crashbb]

First of all I was reffing to those who said they wouldnt give up their seat for anyone, it was their seat, the other people can just wait, they were there first, I didnt specify people with children,but someone who wouldnt give up their seat on a bus anywhere, not just disney, to a person that clearly needed it when they do, in my eyes its wrong...it doesnt have to be a family with kids, just the basic concept Maybe saying what I said was harsh and I'll take blame for that, but judging someone when you dont know their back story, is simply hurtful!! You don't know me, or my children, or their story, or mine, so I'd appreciate if you didn't judge my family, because you have no idea what we as a family have been through..to have my wonderful children!

Aren't you guilty of judging the "sitters" without knowing their back story?

Seems to me that there is plenty of judging to go around.

 

[smalltowngirl504]

Aren't you guilty of judging the "sitters" without knowing their back story?

Seems to me that there is plenty of judging to go around.

I am not judging them , I am commenting to the people on this board who said straight up they are not giving up their seat for anyone... as far as I know they didnt type they had a problem... I am sure if they did they would have mentioned it ... The people on the bus who need that seat, feel fit to sit for hours, I am okay with that...but the people on here who are saying, they shouldnt have to give up their seat, because they sat their first.... I am commenting that I think its wrong... They can think what they want... they are entitled to that , what I am saying is that its hurtful to say such mean things about someones family, and I truly believe that it is... I apologized for my part in it...

 

[KellyNY]

I guess because I had my kids so close in age, I am a bad mother to them or because I had too much stuff, do you ever stop to think about what you are saying, or that you dont know the whole story, like the fact that my husband had cancer, and THATS why I had to have them so close together, so I COULD HAVE THEM!!! If there was no room to sit I would have gotten off and waited and I DID more than once, I would NEVER endanger my children for a simple bus ride at disney, what an ignorant mean assumption!!!! I am aware my kids are my responsibility, trust me!! and I am so thankful to the people that didnt FLAME or or JUDGE me for having kids 11 months apart because they didnt know the whole story as to why.... I am not sure why you felt the to say the things you did... I never felt someone should give up their seat ... I simply said they always did and I was grateful!!!!!!

Maybe you should reread my posts as I never blamed you for having kids 11 months or 7 years apart. Where this comming from. As per your post however, you claimed that people gave their seats to you, suggesting that you did in fact were getting on a bus with all that to carry while no empty seats. I go by your posts only.

 

[Cafeen]

they were elected the supreme Queen of the Universe (must have missed those elections)

<begin really crappy English accent>
You don't vote for Kings
<end really crappy English accent>
(erm... Queens).

Oh sure just come along and post logic. That is like expecting people to use common sense while on vacation

BTW according to people here-you should be standing not your pettiness LOL

Yeah yeah yeah, I know. I should expect better. It seems that logic also ran off with common courtesy and personal responsibility in some sort of mass brain exodus and now we're left without that. Too bad they didn't take entitlement with them though, but I can understand that he (or she) is a very poor travel companion. Always riding shotgun and never taking turns driving. Also sleeps instead of reading the map, just thinks that everything is for him (or her).

 

[crashbb]

<begin really crappy English accent>
You don't vote for Kings
<end really crappy English accent>
(erm... Queens).

That would explain how I missed the elections!

I'm starting to think the mods are deleting and/or modifying posts. Either that, or people are reading things into posts that were not there.

BTW - I read it as "really CREEPY", rather than "CRAPPY", and was someone perplexed.

 

[smalltowngirl504]

Have a magical day

 

[livndisney]

That would explain how I missed the elections!

I'm starting to think the mods are deleting and/or modifying posts. Either that, or people are reading things into posts that were not there.

BTW - I read it as "really CREEPY", rather than "CRAPPY", and was someone perplexed.

I have to agree. I did not hang around today, but went back and tried to see what some people were talking about and could not find posts to support what they were reacting to.

So in summary.....

It does not matter who you are (we have clarified there were no Queen elections), you should not EXPECT someone to give you a seat.

If you are OFFERED a seat and want to take it-wonderful!

If you NEED a seat, you need to plan ahead. Wait for another bus, rent a car, learn to fly, build a jetpack-shove people out of the way.... (oh wait that is the WRONG thing to do) ahem

It is not possible to KNOW why a person is in a seat. It may be a medical issue, they may be a jerk. Either way "staring them down" or calling them names is not going to get you a seat.

Your child, husband, goat, twins, stroller or whatever is not ENTITLED to a seat. It is up to you as the "grownup" to meet your families needs. And you need to do it in a "grown up manner".

You can't fix stupid (and I know-anymore "stupid" is on a sliding scale), nor can you "educate" or teach manners to someone who does not want to learn. (Especially on a 15-20 minute bus ride).

Oh and you can't pool hop. (Ooops wrong thread)

 

[KellyNY]

I have to agree. I did not hang around today, but went back and tried to see what some people were talking about and could not find posts to support what they were reacting to.

So in summary.....

It does not matter who you are (we have clarified there were no Queen elections), you should not EXPECT someone to give you a seat.

If you are OFFERED a seat and want to take it-wonderful!

If you NEED a seat, you need to plan ahead. Wait for another bus, rent a car, learn to fly, build a jetpack-shove people out of the way.... (oh wait that is the WRONG thing to do) ahem

It is not possible to KNOW why a person is in a seat. It may be a medical issue, they may be a jerk. Either way "staring them down" or calling them names is not going to get you a seat.

Your child, husband, goat, twins, stroller or whatever is not ENTITLED to a seat. It is up to you as the "grownup" to meet your families needs. And you need to do it in a "grown up manner".

You can't fix stupid (and I know-anymore "stupid" is on a sliding scale), nor can you "educate" or teach manners to someone who does not want to learn. (Especially on a 15-20 minute bus ride).

Oh and you can't pool hop. (Ooops wrong thread)

 

[kaligal]

This was my point. The whole... I guess some people's morals and conscience are not up to par thing really got me.

And, then I'm the one who gets called a curseword. Wow.

Yes, go figure. You refer to people the same way you'd refer to animals and they take offense.

Who could have predicted that.

 

[smidgy]

After reading only about 10 posts, I'm so very happy to say I have never ridden a Disney bus and now certainly never will. Whether I'm staying on property or not, I will do whatever is needed to ensure I drive myself/family to and from the parks. NONE of this experience (just missing a bus, waiting for buses, fighting over seats, struggling with stroller/packages, smelling other stinky people) is worth the 'free' ride.

you know what? everything is always much worse on these boards than in real life!

we actually love the buses. we would rather take longer to get back, and not have to worry about driving. we often give up our seat, but sometimes we don't. I would not expect anyone to give up their seat for me because I am female, as I am only 54 and can stand.
in the many bus rides we have taken, usually people are kind to each other.. a lot less of 2 bad things: Rudeness or Entitlement than it sounds like here. a lot of people give up seats.

I agree with a PP, giving up a seat is not required, but it is totally rude to use a seat for your packages,not hold your little one on your lap. or ... NOT go to the back so more can fit on....

 

[janabananas]

I have to agree. I did not hang around today, but went back and tried to see what some people were talking about and could not find posts to support what they were reacting to.

So in summary.....

It does not matter who you are (we have clarified there were no Queen elections), you should not EXPECT someone to give you a seat.

If you are OFFERED a seat and want to take it-wonderful!

If you NEED a seat, you need to plan ahead. Wait for another bus, rent a car, learn to fly, build a jetpack-shove people out of the way.... (oh wait that is the WRONG thing to do) ahem

It is not possible to KNOW why a person is in a seat. It may be a medical issue, they may be a jerk. Either way "staring them down" or calling them names is not going to get you a seat.

Your child, husband, goat, twins, stroller or whatever is not ENTITLED to a seat. It is up to you as the "grownup" to meet your families needs. And you need to do it in a "grown up manner".

You can't fix stupid (and I know-anymore "stupid" is on a sliding scale), nor can you "educate" or teach manners to someone who does not want to learn. (Especially on a 15-20 minute bus ride).

Oh and you can't pool hop. (Ooops wrong thread)

I have been reading this thread since it began, and this post pretty much summarizes my feelings on this issue.

However, I do believe my goat and its bags are entitled to seats, as well as being able to pool hop and use last year's cups this time around.

In all seriousness, I am one of those with a hidden medical issue (chf) and I hope I don't get judged because I don't give up my seat if I got there first, after waiting in line for my turn to get it. I plan on renting a wc or ecv while in the park but I think I can walk and stand while waiting for the buses. DBF will gladly give up his seat though, in the mindset that if he gives his seat up this time, I might get offered one the next time around. If I get on a full bus I do not expect someone to give me a seat though.

 

[skater]

Funny because Dh and I sometimes use the term "Breeders" when referencing ourselves as a joke. So count me as someone not insulted.

I'm actually a little bit more offend by the idea that Humans are better than the rest of the animal kingdom. I don't believe that is true AT ALL. Animals don't screw each other over, abandon responsibility, they follow the rules of nature. If anyone has their act together it's the rest of the animal kingdom not us.

You're certainly entitled to your opinions, but I'm not sure why you would be offended by my opinion that humans are better than the rest of the Animal Kingdom? I could argue the merits of humans over other animals, but that's another topic altogether .

 

[torinsmom]

I don't ride the buses anymore, but when I did, I would always wait for the next bus if it was standing room only. I just don't believe standing on a bus is the safest thing to do. Once I waited for a second bus, I wasn't giving that seat up for someone who could also choose to wait. If you want a seat, wait for the next bus. It's pretty simple.

 

[skater]

I have been reading this thread since it began, and this post pretty much summarizes my feelings on this issue.

However, I do believe my goat and its bags are entitled to seats, as well as being able to pool hop and use last year's cups this time around.

In all seriousness, I am one of those with a hidden medical issue (chf) and I hope I don't get judged because I don't give up my seat if I got there first, after waiting in line for my turn to get it. I plan on renting a wc or ecv while in the park but I think I can walk and stand while waiting for the buses. DBF will gladly give up his seat though, in the mindset that if he gives his seat up this time, I might get offered one the next time around. If I get on a full bus I do not expect someone to give me a seat though.

I won't judge you . I don't remember ever judging anyone for not giving up their seat. I do believe its the right thing to do (give up a seat for someone needier), but there's no way that I could really know how much someone needs a seat, and it sounds like you really need one. Even if I knew that someone didn't really "need" a seat, I doubt that I would judge him or her.