The bus...

[SueM in MN]

I'm sorry, but according to the people on the Dis, your goat and his bags are NOT entitled to a seat, however it is possible that your goat and HER bags are entitled to a seat. It would all depend on where the person in the seat is from. One of those born in the north vs born in the south kind of things. I found it hard to follow.

Now the mug thing...... I'm sorry I just can't allow that.

I would like to suggest that when you do board a bus you wear a tee shirt that boldy states your medical condition (nevermind that pesky HIPPA law-other guests have a RIGHT to know, so they can judge you properly). Failing that make sure you bring a complete set of your medical records (and copies for everyone on the bus) so that total strangers with little or no medical training can determine if you really NEED that seat, because clearly they are much better at judging

Just a thought, but if your goat had a stroller.......... I will have to get back to you on that one

In short, go and enjoy your vacation. Take responsibility for yourself and your loved ones. And no stare downs LOL (Goats don't blink, do they?)

Actually, there is nothing in HIPAA that would prevent her from wearing that tee shirt. HIPAA only prevents anyone who works ( or volunteers) in a medical field from reading/accessing or talking about a patient's medical record/information unless they have a legitimate need to do so.
So, if you want to wear a tee shirt proclaiming your own medical history , no problem. If one of her medical professionals wants to wear one without her permission - problem.
Now, about that medical record - the complete medical record can be huge, thousands of pages, even to print out a short hospital stay on a computerized record. So, I would suggest only bringing one copy for people to share. She will probably want to use something to carry the record (but, not a wagon or anything that would be pulled or towed since those are on the list of items not allowed into the parks).

In addition, she may want to have the goat wear a shirt advising other guests of goat's eating problem (i.e. Goats do chew on tires and anything else within reach). I'm not sure how the goat would feel about this. He/she (sorry I did not catch the gender of the goat) is likely to say "Nah" or just eat the shirt.

Even if she is one of the goat's medical providers, she could probably add something about goat's condition to her own shirt since this proclivity for eating things is fairly common knowledge that comes under the heading of 'Nature of Goats'. Not privileged medical information. LOL

 

[janabananas]

I didn't think it had anything to do with "smalltowngirl" in the first place. I thought it was directed to the PP who would "stare down" anyone who didn't give her (and her kids a seat). But hey, I'm way too lazy to go back and check (that's why my cat and I need a seat on the bus - both suffer from severe lazyiness).

I might be wrong too. But that is what I thought I read.
Laziness is definately an ailment that will get you a seat on the bus, your cat has needs too!

Came here to see what you guys have been saying....wow. Since I'm on battery power, using battery powered hot spot, I can't linger here. Off to deal with my own board issues. Not having power for a day now is not my idea of fun.

That has happened to us several times in the past few years and after the last time I bought a big ol' Honda generator. Now I say bring it on! Hope your power comes back soon.

Sending prayers and good thoughts to everyone affected!! I was lucky that is just skimmed my area. Just some wind and rain.

 

[aubriee]

I don't ride the buses anymore, but when I did, I would always wait for the next bus if it was standing room only. I just don't believe standing on a bus is the safest thing to do. Once I waited for a second bus, I wasn't giving that seat up for someone who could also choose to wait. If you want a seat, wait for the next bus. It's pretty simple.

I agree it should be simple. If you need a seat don't get on a full bus, instead wait for the next bus. That's what I do. I guess I'm a 'small town redneck' that is not used to public transportation. I always look before I get on a bus. If it even looks like I won't be able to get a seat, I step aside and wait for the next bus. Very simple and I'm taking care of my own needs and not expecting anyone to do so. I know I don't do well on moving vehicles. I have hypertension, orthostatic hypotension, and alot of problems with my feet. If I try to stand on a moving bus, I have a tendency to lock my knees, my blood pressure drops, I get dizzy, and I may pass out. To the poster who said she would give the stink eye to anyone who didn't get up for her and her toddlers, sorry but after waiting to make sure I have the seat I need, no stink eye is going to make me give it up and I don't think you'd really want me falling on your little snowflakes if I did anyway. Sorry people, but if you need a seat take care of it yourself by making sure you get a seat either by renting a car or waiting for the next bus. To me the rude ones are the people who get on a packed bus and then expect others to accommodate them.

I've posted this story before, but it fits with this thread: I was once sitting close to the front door after waiting for an empty bus (refusing to get on the full bus before). The bus was totally packed and the driver kept telling people to move back to the back. Just as he started to close the door, a young couple demanded to be let on, insisting that just two more people could fit. The driver again told everyone to squeeze tighter and move as far back as possible, trying to make room for this couple. Finally the couple squeezed on and the man immediately yelled out, 'My girlfriend is pregnant, who's going to give her a seat?' For a minute everyone was speechless. This guy held up the bus, insisting everyone standing squeeze tighter together so they could be let on, then immediately yelled out that someone must give up their seat for them. A guy further back finally yelled out, 'Why should we? We didn't get her pregnant and you should have waited for the next bus if you knew she needed a seat'. The guy started again yelling that she needed a seat and someone had to get up. Finally an older man across the aisle from me got up. What happened next shocked everybody again. The guy sat down and pulled the supposedly pregnant girl into his lap, so they both sat. I say supposedly because if the girl was pregnant is was barely. She was wearing a pair of very short skin tight Daisy Duke shorts and a short crop tank top, that showed her very flat belly.

 

[mickey&minnie04]

In my initial post, I did not mention that the 'stare you down' comes after asking you for some help and/or seat. I totally agree that staring someone down without opening your mouth first is rude. You'll get no disagreement from me there.

But, if I ask and you either ignore me or say no - then yes, I am going to stare you down. That's where I draw my line in the sand.

So when I say no I have to tell you why?? The medical conditions of others are none of your business! If they just say no then you assume that there is nothing wrong with them and throw the stink eye at them? Unbelievable!

 

[goofy4tink]

Actually, there is nothing in HIPAA that would prevent her from wearing that tee shirt. HIPAA only prevents anyone who works ( or volunteers) in a medical field from reading/accessing or talking about a patient's medical record/information unless they have a legitimate need to do so.
So, if you want to wear a tee shirt proclaiming your own medical history , no problem. If one of her medical professionals wants to wear one without her permission - problem.
Now, about that medical record - the complete medical record can be huge, thousands of pages, even to print out a short hospital stay on a computerized record. So, I would suggest only bringing one copy for people to share. She will probably want to use something to carry the record (but, not a wagon or anything that would be pulled or towed since those are on the list of items not allowed into the parks).

In addition, she may want to have the goat wear a shirt advising other guests of goat's eating problem (i.e. Goats do chew on tires and anything else within reach). I'm not sure how the goat would feel about this. He/she (sorry I did not catch the gender of the goat) is likely to say "Nah" or just eat the shirt.

Even if she is one of the goat's medical providers, she could probably add something about goat's condition to her own shirt since this proclivity for eating things is fairly common knowledge that comes under the heading of 'Nature of Goats'. Not privileged medical information. LOL

Ah, but if it's your therapy goat, you shouldn't need any records, just that nifty little vest!!!

Well then we can agree to disagree.

If someone able bodied will not give a seat to someone in need who has asked nicely for it, then I feel that somehow my stare will drill common sense into them. I am not perfect either so I guess that's where my manners end and my anger at poorly raised people cuts through.

Um, no. I highly doubt your staring will impact me one way or the other. It will merely point out, to me, that someone has few manners to be staring at others that way.
How in heaven's name do you think you are able to discern who is 'able bodied' and who isn't??? And if you ask me for my seat, nicely, and there is a valid reason I say no, you have absolutely no right, none whatsoever, to ask why. Do you truly think your 'stare' is going to drill common sense into me??? I guess that would be your particular brand of common sense. And that anger at poorly raised people?? How do you justify that 'staring' at someone who's not able to give you that seat....their issue is not obvious to you. But hey....they are poorly raised and you're gonna show them!!!

Man, this is all ridiculous. Yeah, I finally got the power back and I come and see this type nonsense. You 'have' to have a seat??? Plan ahead. Do not automatically assume someone on the bus is going to give up their seat for you. You don't want to worry about that? Rent a car. This is public transportation people. There is no way, absolutely no way, you are going to be able to make others act the way you want them to act.

 

[KellyNY]

Somewhere about 4 pages back I think, (this may have gotten deleted or edited), I am paraphrasing because I can't find it now, someone stated that it wasn't their fault that "smalltowngirl" decided to "breed" her kids so close together, etc. It got ugly fast.....

It was not exactly that. OP was talking about choices and resonsibilities to carry all the little kids and stroller on a full bus but you are right, it got ugly because some people stopped reaing after word breeding and never saw the point.

 

[skater]

Since when has that every stopped anyone??

You're right, of course!

 

[janabananas]

It was not exactly that. OP was talking about choices and resonsibilities to carry all the little kids and stroller on a full bus but you are right, it got ugly because some people stopped reaing after word breeding and never saw the point.

Ah ok, gotcha. I thought that I read it as that but apparently not. But I do think that the poster who was very upset and referring to her husband having cancer (which is horrible and I hope he will be ok), took it as a personal attack. The OP may or may not have meant it to be, but that is how the respondent took it. Her response was with caps and exclamation points.

Well I think I am going to take my service goat for a walk now.

 

[KellyNY]

Ah ok, gotcha. I thought that I read it as that but apparently not. But I do think that the poster who was very upset and referring to her husband having cancer (which is horrible and I hope he will be ok), took it as a personal attack. The OP may or may not have meant it to be, but that is how the respondent took it. Her response was with caps and exclamation points.

Well I think I am going to take my service goat for a walk now.

She did take it personally and for some reason on me, while I was not the one talking about how close together her kids were, although I support the whole idea of being resonsible for your kids. Go figure. I also do not unerstand what personal story has to do with a choice of getting on a full bus. I think it is just a simple bus ride and getting into all, you do not know my story is unnecessary. JMO.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

It was not exactly that. OP was talking about choices and resonsibilities to carry all the little kids and stroller on a full bus but you are right, it got ugly because some people stopped reaing after word breeding and never saw the point.

It's funny how perception changes how you interpret things. I believe that most people who say that it's not your fault to "breed" and in particular, to choose to "have kids so close together" will interpret that as an insult. I read the rest of her post (AustinTink) and it was just as harsh and judgmental as the first part IMO. She felt her conscience and morals were attacked and she attacked back. Two wrongs don't make a right.

In her OP, Small Town Girl also said she was very APPRECIATIVE of everyone on the bus and was NEVER EXPECTING a seat. That seemed to be forgotten by those who wanted to make a point that you should NEVER enter a bus unless it's completely empty when you have small kids. Yet, she somehow was in the wrong in this situation for getting on the bus in the first place. I think there is some very harsh judgment on BOTH SIDES of this. If you want to take a hard-line stance, then so be it but understand by drawing a line in the sand that you are judging others. In my opinion, if you enter a bus with an open mind and don't judge some for sitting and other for getting on a crowded bus, then the bus rides are much better for everyone. Most of the time everyone is accomodated and happy. It's when judging occurs on either side that the bus ride (AND THREADS LIKE THIS) get so ugly IMO.

Ah ok, gotcha. I thought that I read it as that but apparently not. But I do think that the poster who was very upset and referring to her husband having cancer (which is horrible and I hope he will be ok), took it as a personal attack. The OP may or may not have meant it to be, but that is how the respondent took it. Her response was with caps and exclamation points.

Well I think I am going to take my service goat for a walk now.

Yes, smalltowngirl was insulted when the poster said she shouldn't of bred and had kids together so close and expected a seat. She was upset that someone would comment about having kids together so close when she had a husband who may or may not survive cancer.

These types of threads scream over and over again - don't judge others based on site! Both sides want to take the morale high ground, but neither side owns it in this debate. The uncalled for sarcasm doesn't help win any friends on either side of the debate either. Should someone give the stinky eye if you remain sitted - NEVER! Should someone give the stinky eye if you enter a bus with two small kids and a stroller - NO! Can we compromise and show some common courtesy?

I don't expect a bus nirvana as it will never happen. I just wish there was more compromise rather than having so many take such extreme positions on one side of this debate or the other.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

She did take it personally and for some reason on me, while I was not the one talking about how close together her kids were, although I support the whole idea of being resonsible for your kids. Go figure. I also do not unerstand what personal story has to do with a choice of getting on a full bus. I think it is just a simple bus ride and getting into all, you do not know my story is unnecessary. JMO.

I think she inadvertently quoted you as you had agreed with AustinTink. That was my recollection. Why make her out to be the bad person when she was just pointing out how nice most people are at Disney and how thankful she was for them when she was there and that she never expected anyone to give up their seat, but again was glad they did.

She never brought up why she had her kids close together due to her husband's cancer until she was personally attacked by AustinTink.

 

[going/again]

1) ) People who rent motorized wheelchairs (not judging why they are in these devices) but my pet peeve is when they are entitled to be first on the bus.

Motorized wheelchairs are very rarely rented, ECV'S are, and its not entitlement its for safety reasons Disneys rules, if this annoys you so much you need to take it up with them.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

I think she inadvertently quoted you as you had agreed with AustinTink. That was my recollection. Why make her out to be the bad person when she was just pointing out how nice most people are at Disney and how thankful she was for them when she was there and that she never expected anyone to give up their seat, but again was glad they did.

She never brought up why she had her kids close together due to her husband's cancer until she was personally attacked by AustinTink.

Cancer or not it's still her choice. Not picking on the poster but she could have waited and use other methods. She choose to have close in age children which is a lot of work and if you can't handle it you shouldn't do it.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

Cancer or not it's still her choice. Not picking on the poster but she could have waited and use other methods. She choose to have close in age children which is a lot of work and if you can't handle it you shouldn't do it.

Wow. Do you write these things just to make an extreme and tastless point or is it you simply have no compassion? Where did she say she couldn't do it or use it as an excuse for getting on the bus? She was simply explaining to another poster who attacked her for having kids so close together in age? What if she had twins (or worse yet triplets!) Those parents are so evil for having twins and getting on a bus. Yes, I'm trying to highlight the insanity of this line of logic.

You're right, she could have waited another 15 to 20 minutes for the next bus or walked 15 minutes to a taxi stand or spent $200 on a minivan rental. We did it, you must do it and others on here do it. But not everyone does it and does that make them bad people? I guess some say yes, but I try not to worry about it and will happily share my seat with others. You don't have to and that's fine, but it's not helping you win any converts with such harsh comments (and yes, I realize that this has been my harshest post in this thread about this topic and I should probably just delete it, but I think there is a small minority on here who thinks they have some sort of morale highground and can say whatever they want and justify it). I really just want compromise, not this petty debate. Is it really that hard to compromise and even if you don't want to give up a seat, realize that others will think differently and help others out regardless of their personal history?

She didn't mention the cancer when she got on the bus. No one on that bus knew. For the bus situation itself in her original post, she never complained about it and was okay with standing if it came to it. She was just trying to come on here and express her appeciation and gratitude to the thousands at Disney who show common courtesy and kindness toward strangers. So when did that become an offense to post on here about thanking others who made your trip more pleasant?

Only on the DIS.....

 

[Pirate Jeff]

It never ceases to amaze me, how a simple thread can be turned into such a vitriolic dialogue between many.

This is almost disheartening.

In the real world, babies/children are called "kids". In my 30+ years of parenthood, I have never (READ: N E V E R) called one of my children a "kid". It is so ghetto and so disrespectful. Yet, Webster's considers "kids" perfectly acceptable when speaking of offspring of humans and goats.

Hey, if taking a beautiful moment between two people and relegating it into "breeding", I can see why there are problems in the world today.

"Breeding".....REALLY??????

Give me a break. Horses do it. Dogs do it. So do cockroaches.

And there are individuals that put on the same scale, procreation and "breeding"? Certain individuals put animal life on par with human existence, I cannot fathom how this can be done.

Maybe, if some parents would consider their children as miracles and precious gifts instead of "spawn" or the result of "breeding", maybe there would be less violence in the world. But oh well. There are lessons to be learned in every interaction we have in our lives. I have just learned one....

Back to "The Bus".

I am sorry, that there are individuals whom take so offensively, a man offering up his seat for them. It is clearly obvious (by virtue of this thread and it's many responses) that some folks need to become informed. I will attempt to do so post haste.

You see, in the world of us folks who've been around for a while, we were brought up with the values that a man always holds a door for a lady and always gives up his seat for the same. It isn't a power play. It isn't about dominance, it is simple "respect". Some of us men consider women the greatest of all of us. Women are the caretakers of sensitivity and good manners. Women provide a world of beauty in many shapes and forms and sensitivities. Women put up with the non-sense that men like me do every day. I respect women as givers of life, a task I can never do.

When I see a woman standing while I sit, I will never, ever for the life of me, continue to sit while she stands. I am baffled that anyone could take issue with that. I do not expect anyone else to agree with my principles. But I see it as a question of manliness and chivalry to never sit in the presence of a standing lady.

In the 50+ years of knowing my mother, she has never used the word: breeding to explain my existence. Same as she, as well as any other lady on the bus, will never stand while I sit. I am so sorry if some woman has a problem with that but if I am to be criticized in some way because I care about someone else, so be it. I'll accept the small percentage of strange people who for whatever reason of insecurity or inadequacy, feel it shameful for a man to offer up his seat, for the wonderful people who realize that some of us "men" simply respect completely, the measure of humanness, a woman brings that a man can never do and appreciate it.

Life has value. Human life especially. It is what separates us from "animals". And anyone who feels that mother nature has a better way than us simple humans, need only to look at how a Jackal treats a baby lion cub. Yeah, I can see how that has it all over us silly humans! Unless of course, it is your child that is adding to the wonder of nature and a predator's next meal.

I hated writing that but I hated reading some of the things I've read on this post just as much. Human life is better than animal life, "hands down". And honestly, any one of my adult "children" will tell you, I've never considered their "pro-creation" as "breeding". In fact, I've never discussed their primary beginnings at all. And you know what?

I'm good with that.

Bottom line, if you're a woman on the bus, I will offer you my seat. Don't be offended by it. It is just my way of living up to the standards I believe were put before me my entire life. The same standards I passed along to my children who also do the same. If that makes me somehow a bad person, I can live with it.....


Aaargh!!

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

If she could handle it she wouldn't accept the seat, no? I have one kid. When i take public transportation I expect to stand if someone offers a seat I decline. If i'm tired or she is cranky we get a taxi.

No one is evil just an idea of responsibility and knowing what you can and can't handle.
As for the term breeders a certain group made it popular and some embraced it.

Life is life. Animal human it is all LIFE! neither is more valuable or important.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

If she could handle it she wouldn't accept the seat, no? I have one kid. When i take public transportation I expect to stand if someone offers a seat I decline. If i'm tired or she is cranky we get a taxi.

No one is evil just an idea of responsibility and knowing what you can and can't handle.

So everyone should live exactly by your rules and logic? I love diversity and would never want to force my own beliefs on others. I have no qualms sharing with others or being kind to others by offerring them a seat whether I think they need it or not.

Animal Kindgom vs Human Behavior.....

 

[FlightlessDuck]

You all are just goating each other now

 

[KSDisneyDad]

You all are just goating each other now

I know. I will blame it on my pain medicine today.

I just found it amusing that these posts came from someone who posted that the Animal Kindgom behaves better than humans.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

So everyone should live exactly by your rules and logic? I love diversity and would never want to force my own beliefs on others. I have no qualms sharing with others or being kind to others by offerring them a seat whether I think they need it or not.

Animal Kindgom vs Human Behavior.....

nope. I'm just saying how i live.