The bus...

[mom2rtk]

I cannot imagine going to Disney pregnant. But if I chose to do so, I would not expect special treatment. I was pretty healthy and did a lot of walking. Pregnancy is not an illness.

I suggest the people with babies who can't juggle the baby and the handrail wait for the next bus. That is what I would do if having a seat was important to me.

Ouch.

I don't even know what else to say.

 

[brunette8706]

Hello Brunette,

I agree with your assessment as to why ECV's can sometimes be perceived as frustrating by those waiting in already very long lines. However, that is just how it goes IMO. I would not want to trade my mobility for that one tiny tindy advantage. Plus, if you're in an ECV, you are the last one off the bus even though you're the first one on.

Unrelated to your question, I think there are so many reasons the buses are slow. Loading ECV's is just one of them, but so are just the massive crowds and trying to move them from Point A to Point B during peak times. Disney advertises the heck out of ME and free transportation so they do trap a lot of guests on-site with no other choice. When you're stuck in a long line at closing, it's easy to find things to complain about IMO.

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Hello KSDisneyDad-

Yes, Disney does advertise the heck out of ME and their FREE Transporation. Sometimes, though, for us it's so much easier and faster to take our car. It seems like we get to point A to point B much FASTER, lol!

Brunette

 

[skater]

Well, I go down in a week and a half, and I'm actually looking forward to the buses. I love the excitement of getting on in the morning - everybody is usually happy, and there's fun theme park music playing. I'm hoping I don't meet any grouches this year .

 

[Don Disney]

You can't know just by looking who needs a seat and who doesn't. In that case, you could very well be giving the evil eye or smarting off to someone who actually needs the seat more than your wife. In that case, there is a jerk, but it isn't the person keeping their seat.

I'm just saying, watch the snap judgements.

Not really making a "snap" judgement-let's just say for arguments sake that the"gentleman" is approximately 25 years old,with 22" biceps(I know that because he's wearing a muscle shirt,and his girlfriend is really hot)and he could probably PUSH the bus all by his wittle self.It really isn't that hard to tell if someone"needs" their seat or not when you're standing around and waiting 20 minutes or so for said bus.Most people who have difficulty standing for 15-20 minutes usually have some type of aid to help them-like a cane or something maybe? Maybe you can't tell,but 25 years of working in hospitals(acute care and rehab)gives one enough exposure to people who ACTUALLY need help with their activities for daily living-yet alone being able to"assess" one's ability to stand on a bus for 15 minutes-it ain't rocket science.Or maybe I just missed the orthopedic shoes,and the knee brace that was showing under their shorts.Or maybe it was the distinctive left sided limp?Missing those obvious signs would make me feel like quite the jerk!Just sayin'....AND, most people with disabilities LOATHE people who treat them like they are "special/different"-Just sayin'.....

 

[crashbb]

Not really making a "snap" judgement-let's just say for arguments sake that the"gentleman" is approximately 25 years old,with 22" biceps(I know that because he's wearing a muscle shirt,and his girlfriend is really hot)and he could probably PUSH the bus all by his wittle self.It really isn't that hard to tell if someone"needs" their seat or not when you're standing around and waiting 20 minutes or so for said bus.Most people who have difficulty standing for 15-20 minutes usually have some type of aid to help them-like a cane or something maybe? Maybe you can't tell,but 25 years of working in hospitals(acute care and rehab)gives one enough exposure to people who ACTUALLY need help with their activities for daily living-yet alone being able to"assess" one's ability to stand on a bus for 15 minutes-it ain't rocket science.Or maybe I just missed the orthopedic shoes,and the knee brace that was showing under their shorts.Or maybe it was the distinctive left sided limp?Missing those obvious signs would make me feel like quite the jerk!Just sayin'....

I see you failed to mention that your wife had a cane. Obviously she does, since she cannot stand for 15-20 minutes, and thus needs someone to give her a seat. Sorry, if you had mentioned that, people would have likely understood your actions.

 

[Disneyholic]

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Originally Posted by PatsMom
I cannot imagine going to Disney pregnant. But if I chose to do so, I would not expect special treatment. I was pretty healthy and did a lot of walking. Pregnancy is not an illness.

I suggest the people with babies who can't juggle the baby and the handrail wait for the next bus. That is what I would do if having a seat was important to me.

Ouch.

I don't even know what else to say.

Looks like PatsMom hit a nerve, but I do agree with her. When I was pregnant with my DS I worked up until 2 days before he was born and I stand all day at work. I know a lot of girls younger than me (I was in my 30s) who couldn't do the job after their 7th month and before that they were always sitting down & putting their feet up. Even with my DD (when I was 20) I worked and went to school until I was 6 month pregnant with her and I probably would have gone longer if I hadn't ended up in the cardiac care unit with an unrelated heart problem. I went locally to Dorney Park when I was pregnant, but not sure I would have gone to Disney either. I liked being closer to home in case of any medical emergency.

 

[livndisney]

Not really making a "snap" judgement-let's just say for arguments sake that the"gentleman" is approximately 25 years old,with 22" biceps(I know that because he's wearing a muscle shirt,and his girlfriend is really hot)and he could probably PUSH the bus all by his wittle self.It really isn't that hard to tell if someone"needs" their seat or not when you're standing around and waiting 20 minutes or so for said bus.Most people who have difficulty standing for 15-20 minutes usually have some type of aid to help them-like a cane or something maybe? Maybe you can't tell,but 25 years of working in hospitals(acute care and rehab)gives one enough exposure to people who ACTUALLY need help with their activities for daily living-yet alone being able to"assess" one's ability to stand on a bus for 15 minutes-it ain't rocket science.Or maybe I just missed the orthopedic shoes,and the knee brace that was showing under their shorts.Or maybe it was the distinctive left sided limp?Missing those obvious signs would make me feel like quite the jerk!Just sayin'....AND, most people with disabilities LOATHE people who treat them like they are "special/different"-Just sayin'.....

Seriously? Because you worked in hospitals for 25 years, you can tell why I or my child need (or don't need a seat)? Please tell me what a team of specialists have yet to be able to figure out so I can stop wasting money on Dr. visits.

I'll check back after I go buy knee braces and orthopedic shoes, maybe those items will help with the balance issues and muscle weakness. And could you also explain the grasping issue my child has? Thanks.....

 

[Don Disney]

If I were a bystander, the PP would look like a passive-aggressive jerk even if the person didn't need the seat (which, quite frankly, I'd never know anyway).

Actions like that would make me stay in my seat, even if I were on the verge of standing up to offer it (I'll offer it to anyone who looks like they need it - but as a middle aged female, I doubt that the PP's wife is someone to whom I'd be offering my seat)

Then...stay in your seat!!! Your OWN words just stated "to anyone who LOOKS like they need it".We can't give the"Evil Eye" to someone who"LOOKS" like they can stand,but we can give up our seat to someone who "LOOKS" like they need it?Gimme a break already.

 

[Andtototoo]

To be honest, I think people on Disney buses are generally better behaved and more polite than any public transportation I've ever used and that includes when I was pregnant. Never once when I was pregnant -- including when I was literally 9.5 months pregnant during a 95 degree heat wave in late August and my ankles were the size of my thighs -- -did anyone ever offer me a seat on a bus or in a full waiting room/lobby. Not once.

Moreover, the last time I offered my seat to the hugely pregnant woman struggling to stay upright on a bus, the young man in gym clothes next to me told me, "You are stupid fool to give up your seat. It's her choice to get pregnant. Her problem."

So I have to wonder sometimes if people expressing shock at the behavior on Disney buses are lucky enough to never ride public transportation back home. Because it's waaaaaaaaaaay better at Disney than my "back home" bus.

 

[mom2rtk]

Moreover, the last time I offered my seat to the hugely pregnant woman struggling to stay upright on a bus, the young man in gym clothes next to me told me, "You are stupid fool to give up your seat. It's her choice to get pregnant. Her problem."

What a charmer. Pity the girl that marries him.......

 

[crashbb]

Then...stay in your seat!!! Your OWN words just stated "to anyone who LOOKS like they need it".We can't give the"Evil Eye" to someone who"LOOKS" like they can stand,but we can give up our seat to someone who "LOOKS" like they need it?Gimme a break already.

No, YOU give me a break. The point is that it is MY choice to give up my seat (or not). You are not some sort of supreme ruler whose job it is to "give evil eyes" or berate others.

We CAN give up our seats - you seem to think that it is we MUST give up our seats. Apparently, it is also up to you to decide who needs a seat.

 

[mom2rtk]

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Looks like PatsMom hit a nerve, but I do agree with her. When I was pregnant with my DS I worked up until 2 days before he was born and I stand all day at work. I know a lot of girls younger than me (I was in my 30s) who couldn't do the job after their 7th month and before that they were always sitting down & putting their feet up. Even with my DD (when I was 20) I worked and went to school until I was 6 month pregnant with her and I probably would have gone longer if I hadn't ended up in the cardiac care unit with an unrelated heart problem. I went locally to Dorney Park when I was pregnant, but not sure I would have gone to Disney either. I liked being closer to home in case of any medical emergency.

Not really a nerve with me. My pregnancy days are long over now. Just my sadness over the decrease in courtesy and consideration in the world.

With my second I worked until 4:30 and delivered at 11 PM that night at full term. Doesn't mean I wouldn't have appreciated someone offering me a seat if I needed one.

 

[Don Disney]

Wow! I don't know that you are really setting a very good example for your daughters. Most young women have no more need of a seat than a man does. We are not the weaker sex despite whatever antiquated lessons you may have absorbed when you were young. I wonder if you were the person giving my husband the "evil eye" and making comments under his breath on our last trip? He's a young looking 66. And to look at him you would never know he has several bulging discs in his back, ankylosing spondylitis and peripheral artery disease that makes it extremely painful to stand by the end of the day.

I am so glad that you are omniscient and would automatically know his medical condition so it couldn't have been you last trip!

It's called chivalry.I guess the "Good Book" IS quite antiquated;Especially the part about the woman being the"weaker vessel",and that honour should be given her.Yeah-I'm teaching my daughters the wrong thing. And no,that was'nt me giving him the "Evil Eye";if anything,I would try to help him,or for that matter,anyone else who might need assistance.Some people are too proud to ask for help.I would suggest a different approach to touring with such conditions-can't be too smart or prudent to tour,and not be able to stand without extreme pain at the end of the day.

 

[Don Disney]

Call me crazy but... If someone is well enough to walk around the park until 12am, they are well enough to stand on the bus ride back. Don't get me wrong, I hate standing on the bus. But if I choose to get on a bus without an open seat, I expect to stand.

My child deserves a seat as well so I will not make her give up her seat to accommodate someone else.

I can dig it.

 

[Don Disney]

I see you failed to mention that your wife had a cane. Obviously she does, since she cannot stand for 15-20 minutes, and thus needs someone to give her a seat. Sorry, if you had mentioned that, people would have likely understood your actions.

No-she doesn't have a cane;she is a WOMAN,and I just like to think that chivalry is'nt dead;AND she can stand for 20 minutes-she stands 12 hours/day at work taking care of patients on a very hard Med-Surg/Orthopedic unit for 12 hours a day taking GREAT care of many,many people for the last 25 years-So YES-not only do I want my wife to sit,but I will make sure that she can,because frankly my friend,she deserves to. Can you understand that? Simple enough?

 

[maxiesmom]

It's called chivalry.I guess the "Good Book" IS quite antiquated;Especially the part about the woman being the"weaker vessel",and that honour should be given her.Yeah-I'm teaching my daughters the wrong thing. And no,that was'nt me giving him the "Evil Eye";if anything,I would try to help him,or for that matter,anyone else who might need assistance.Some people are too proud to ask for help.I would suggest a different approach to touring with such conditions-can't be too smart or prudent to tour,and not be able to stand without extreme pain at the end of the day.

That book you are talking about also has a lot to say about not judging others. But it seems that part was somehow missed.

If you want to look at people and somehow decide if they are deserving enough for you to give them your seat, then have at it. Just stop trying to make the same decision for other people.

I would bet too that if you just saw me on the bus for a few minutes, you wouldn't know that on sometimes my 70+ dad has been known to block me from getting up and giving my seat to others, because of a health issue. You would think I was just fine. No person has the gift to look at others and know all of their physical limitations. No one.

 

[Don Disney]

No, YOU give me a break. The point is that it is MY choice to give up my seat (or not). You are not some sort of supreme ruler whose job it is to "give evil eyes" or berate others.

We CAN give up our seats - you seem to think that it is we MUST give up our seats. Apparently, it is also up to you to decide who needs a seat.

Boy-I'm glad you straightened me out;I was just about to do something omnipotent! Maybe it's the way I'm saying things;so I'll make it really elementary-I'm just talking about C-H-I-V-A-L-R-Y.Get it now?

 

[goofy4tink]

Hello All!

Regarding the ECV's I believe the problem(s) arise when guests wait in line for a bus, sometimes as long as 45 minutes per an earlier poster, and out of nowhere an ECV arrives along with 10 of his closest friends/family, and they (ALL) get priority seating in front of the long line. I think this is where people are having problems. Does that make sense?

Brunette

Have to agree...it can be annoying. The worst case???? I watched as a group of about 10-12 came up to the bus with 'gramps' in a wheelchair. Okay..there was a fairly long line waiting to board the bus...about 25 or so. Well, the bus came along after about a minute or so. The driver told everyone that he had to load 'gramps' first. He didn't have to stay in the wheelchair, just be loaded first due to his not being able to walk on. Well, he gets situated, the rest of his group boards with him. Everyone else gets on board. I end up rather close to the back of the bus where the group is sitting. No biggie..yet. I got off just before they did..one of the last to get off. What do I hear??? One teenaged girl saying to an older woman in her group, and I quote..'Wow, that worked really great. Grampa is gonna have to keep that wheelchair the whole time...we don't have to wait in the line at all. What a great hint that was.' Seriously. Drives me nutty.

It acutally has to do with a post about parade watching. And the rude people who try to shove their child in front of you and your family, who have been patiently waiting, so that their child can see. I've let many a child in by me, and would have no problem with doing so again, if asked. But don't try to shove any of my family out of the way, or try and make room for your child when there is none. If you try it, you will get the mean squinty eye.

I've learned that if we really want a good spot for parade viewing, you need to be able to defend it, and not be a total pushover. Tell someone there is room for their 1 child, and you may end up with 3.

Oh, don't go there. There my dd, then 10, and I were...standing at a crosswalk in front of the Emporium area, waiting for the afternoon parade to come in about 10 mins. The CM told us it was going to be a great spot since they had to keep that section open for emergency's...and no one else would be able to get in there, and that a CM always seemed to stop right there to hand out a drawing they had done during the parade. Cool. Well, there was a woman and her dd (about the same age as my dd) standing right in back of us. As the CM, on those tricycle thingies came along, she looked at my dd, smiled, and moved closer to us. She held out a beautiful drawing she had just finished. Well, I think it was beautiful...I was able to catch a glimpse of the entire thing as the woman in back of me shoved past my dd, stuck her hand out, grabbed the drawing, yelled 'bingo!' and ran off..drawing in hand. The poor CM just looked on in horror. We just said not to worry about it..obviously that girl needed it more than my dd. We no longer wait to watch parades anymore...too annoying.

 

[Don Disney]

That book you are talking about also has a lot to say about not judging others. But it seems that part was somehow missed.

If you want to look at people and somehow decide if they are deserving enough for you to give them your seat, then have at it. Just stop trying to make the same decision for other people.

I would bet too that if you just saw me on the bus for a few minutes, you wouldn't know that on sometimes my 70+ dad has been known to block me from getting up and giving my seat to others, because of a health issue. You would think I was just fine. No person has the gift to look at others and know all of their physical limitations. No one.

I'm not judging anyone;and it's not a matter of someone being"deserving" of a seat.I'm not "trying" to make any decisions for anyone either;Simply stating my opinion on the wretched state of chivalry that I have experienced on WDW busses for the past 5 years-chivalry indeed is in a very sad state.You have my permission to think what you want-that one's free,the next one is $3.50.Like a PP said-if someone can tour a theme park all day,they should be able to stand for a short bus ride;If they can't,maybe they should consider an ECV.What's wrong with expecting a "gentleman(as the word implies)giving up his seat for someone?Thats really all I'm trying to say;but I am sure that there's something inherently wrong with this too.

 

[livndisney]

I'm not judging anyone;and it's not a matter of someone being"deserving" of a seat.I'm not "trying" to make any decisions for anyone either;Simply stating my opinion on the wretched state of chivalry that I have experienced on WDW busses for the past 5 years-chivalry indeed is in a very sad state.You have my permission to think what you want-that one's free,the next one is $3.50.Like a PP said-if someone can tour a theme park all day,they should be able to stand for a short bus ride;If they can't,maybe they should consider an ECV.What's wrong with expecting a "gentleman(as the word implies)giving up his seat for someone?Thats really all I'm trying to say;but I am sure that there's something inherently wrong with this too.

What a narrowminded "one size fits all" comment. From what is regularly posted on this board, if that person DID use an ECV people would still complain when the ECV was loaded on the bus.

Not every reason for "needing" a seat on a moving bus have anything to do with walking around the park all day. If I wait for the next bus to have a seat, not giving up that seat does not make me a "jerk".