the Blessed Virgin Mary

[DISUNC]

DISUNC and Mouseworshipin--Consider yourselves that much closer to heaven for having to put up with public school heathens like myself!

I think just getting out of school @ 1:00pm (no lunch) every Wednesday is sufficent!
The Nuns use to tell us that we would have to 'sacrifice' an hour of our education each week, so that the Public School kids can get some 'Good Religion". You Hooligans!!!!!

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH The sacrifice of hanging out in the Park!

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Do you really? I'm serious, not mocking. And I'm not going to fight with you about it, promise. You don't believe any of it is allegory or metaphor?

Yes. You'd have to be more specific where you think it's being allegorical or metaphorical.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

So how do you reconcile the two different Creation stories and the two different Noah stories?

What 2 ??

 

[MouseWorshipin]

Yes. You'd have to be more specific where you think it's being allegorical or metaphorical.

Like people living to be 800, for example. Being on the arc 40 days and 40 nights. They told us what the numbers meant to people at the time.

I don't remember most of what they taught, just the numbers...it was a long time ago!

You people are going to make me take a flippin bible class.


And I can comment on the 2 stories of creation. Sylvester once talked about it. I guess the bible has two versions, one where man is created before animals, and another where animals came first. According to Sylvester, both stories are on the first page. That was one of his (many) reasons to be agnostic, "The bible contradicts itself on page one," he said.

 

[MouseWorshipin]

I think just getting out of school @ 1:00pm (no lunch) every Wednesday is sufficent!
The Nuns use to tell us that we would have to 'sacrifice' an hour of our education each week, so that the Public School kids can get some 'Good Religion". You Hooligans!!!!!

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH The sacrifice of hanging out in the Park!

We NEVER got out early for the CCD kids. They came in at night and on weekends. Man, I'd have LOVED them if we'd been able to get out of school for it!!!!!!

Disney Dotty, it's one church. My hatred of CCD kids is long gone (even if you were our cross to bear! )

 

[Chris2597]

I do!! As a Catholic I have been taught to only worship God....Mary, recognized Saints intercede on our behalf....I ask for their prayers and intercession....exactly as I have asked people to keep certain things in their thoughts and prayers....
What really gets me is when non Catholics assume things that are not fact about my faith...I have heard the "you Catholics pray to Saints and Mary" more times than I care to think about...It is said in such a self rightous way....However, these same people think nothing of asking numerous people to "pray for them"....So how are these request for prayer or asking for intercession....any different than has been the long tradition in the Catholic church?

 

[sodaseller]

What 2 ??

From the Jesuit magazine America (sub. req. - no link)

The strongest biblical argument against creationism is that Genesis 1 is only one of many creation accounts in the Bible, and these biblical accounts are too distinctive to be harmonized. The cosmogony found in the second and third chapters of Genesis tells a very different story than Genesis 1. Here are a few of these differences. Creation in Genesis 2 proceeds at an unspecified pace that surely lasts longer than a week, whereas in Genesis 1 all takes place within six days. In Genesis 1, the man and the woman are created at the same time, whereas in Genesis 2 the man is created earlier than the woman. In Genesis 1, the animals are created before the man, which is the opposite of the order in Genesis 2.

Other creation accounts—in the Psalms, Isaiah 40-66, Job and Proverbs—also differ from one another and from Genesis 1. Psalms 77, 89 and 93, for example, depict creation as a cosmic battle with the forces of chaos; God’s victory is the act of creation. Isaiah 40-55 uses creation-by-combat to interpret the reconstruction of Israel after the sixth-century exile. Israel’s new creation is portrayed through a grand analogy—just as in olden times God brought Israel into being by vanquishing Sea (the Red or Reed Sea) and bringing the people to Canaan, so today he is bringing Israel into being by vanquishing Desert and bringing the people to Zion (see especially Isa. 43:16-21). Creation-by-combat is common in the Bible (and in the literature of Israel’s neighbors). The creation-by-word in Genesis 1 is unique in the Old Testament and to make it the biblical standard, as creationists do, is gratuitous on purely biblical grounds

 

[ead79]

I just wanted to comment on the discussion about reading the Bible being dangerous. As a Protestant Christian, we are very much encouraged to read the Bible daily to develop a closer relationship with God. We really look at this as a way to grow spiritually, the same way we look at worship services and Bible studies.

I fully understand the point that heinous acts have been committed when a single verse or passage of Scripture is taken out of context. That is why it is so important to interpret Scripture in light of Scripture. In other words, you should read the Bible in its own context, not pull one verse out and twist it to fit your meaning. In my opinion, people twisting a single verse or passage out of context is how many, if not most, of the atrocities people committed in the supposed name of Christianity occurred.

I believe that God sent us the Holy Spirit to help us interpret His Word. The Holy Spirit guides us in our interpretation and understanding. "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.” (John 14:26 NASB)