the Blessed Virgin Mary

[MouseWorshipin]

Thanks for a job well done! While I don't believe in saints and all that, I respect it.

Thank you for your respect. I have respect for (although very little knowledge of) other religions myself.

The Bible doesn't have to make an exception in the topic of speaking to the dead because Jesus ISN'T dead. He died and ROSE AGAIN. He transcended into Heaven and remains there until the appointed time. No exception needed!

Oh. Duh. Guess I'll be shopping at Doofuses R Us tomorrow.

 

[beattyfamily]

I don't recall saying that I was trying to change anyones mind.

Guess I misunderstood then why you posted that verse from the bible. My mistake.

 

[DisneyDotty]

Happy May, Month of Mary!
Just to clear up a few misconceptions (no pun intended)
The Immaculate Conception does not refer to Mary being conceived with Jesus, but rather:
The Immaculate Conception means that Mary, whose conception was brought about the normal way, was conceived without original sin or its stain—that’s what "immaculate" means: without stain. The essence of original sin consists in the deprivation of sanctifying grace, and its stain is a corrupt nature. Mary was preserved from these defects by God’s grace; from the first instant of her existence she was in the state of sanctifying grace and was free from the corrupt nature original sin brings. (from Catholic.com)
(People often misunderstand this. Just hoping to enlighten... )

And (someone correct me if I'm wrong) I believe that Catholics should genuflect as sign of respect whenever crossing the tabernacle (housing the Body of Christ). As many churches have the tabernacle behind the altar, many Catholics genuflect upon entering the pew. Our new church's tabernacle is off to the side, so you won't see many people genuflecting as they enter.
At my old church, we even bowed slightly just before receiving Communion.

This has been a Catholic update. Back to Mary.

 

[beattyfamily]

And (someone correct me if I'm wrong) I believe that Catholics should genuflect as sign of respect whenever crossing the tabernacle (housing the Body of Christ). As many churches have the tabernacle behind the altar, many Catholics genuflect upon entering the pew. Our new church's tabernacle is off to the side, so you won't see many people genuflecting as they enter.
At my old church, we even bowed slightly just before receiving Communion.

This has been a Catholic update. Back to Mary.

Catholics are suppose to genuflect as they pass the tabernacle and that IS why we genuflect as we are seated in our pew and we should do it again upon leaving the Mass and if we are walking by it to go to the restroom or whatever.

Catholics are also suppose to bow their head or genuflect just before receiving Communion. I bow my head.

 

[DisneyDotty]

Catholics are suppose to genuflect as they pass the tabernacle and that IS why we genuflect as we are seated in our pew and we should do it again upon leaving the Mass and if we are walking by it to go to the restroom or whatever.

I thought that was still the rule.

Catholics are also suppose to bow their head or genuflect just before receiving Communion. I bow my head.

This doesn't happen at my new church. Do you suppose different dioceses have different rules regarding this? Or maybe my priest just has never made a big deal about it? Just wondering...

OP--sorry about the OT.

 

[beattyfamily]

This doesn't happen at my new church. Do you suppose different dioceses have different rules regarding this? Or maybe my priest just has never made a big deal about it? Just wondering...

It is an official requirement/rule from the Vatican that was retold to the American Churches (Bishops) last year I believe...kind of like a reminder.

They also told us to stand right before the prayer "May the Lord accept this scarifice..." then we kneel.

I think, unfortunately, it's a matter of the paster not caring or thinking its not important enough to teach/remind us of.

 

[AuntieM03]

Guess I misunderstood then why you posted that verse from the bible. My mistake.

I was hoping to hear others interpretations of what it meant. That's why I put what it seems to be saying. Just like I have a different interpretation of the verses in John. Just because I see a verse differently doesn't mean I am trying to get you to see it the same way.

Sorry I didn't realize this is a Catholics only thread.

 

[DisneyDotty]

They also told us to stand right before the prayer "May the Lord accept this scarifice..." then we kneel.

No kneelers in my new church, either, so we just stand.
Thanks for the info.

 

[beattyfamily]

No kneelers in my new church, either, so we just stand.
Thanks for the info.

that was fun!

 

[sodaseller]

I was hoping to hear others interpretations of what it meant. That's why I put what it seems to be saying. Just like I have a different interpretation of the verses in John. Just because I see a verse differently doesn't mean I am trying to get you to see it the same way.

One of the books of the Apocrypha, not to be confused with the Catholic Aprocrypha (books in the New American Bible not in the KJV), is the ProtoEvangelium of James the Just, which "explained" that passage by stating that it referred to Joseph's children from a prior marriage (he was supposedly a widower). Believe it if you will. It's not canonical, although it was not unknown for an older widower to marry a young virgin. In the aboverefernced work. Mary's role as Theotokos was known and a just widower was selected to serve as her protector and Christ's earthly father. It is also said to explain St. Joseph's later absence - he was much older than the Blessed Mother and had already passed on.

In any event, it is clear that Mary had a versy special role in the early Church. James vied with Peter for control of the early "Jesus movement", as scholars refer to it.

 

[Crankyshank]

Catholics are also suppose to bow their head or genuflect just before receiving Communion. I bow my head.

I've never seen anyone bow or genuflect before Communion - we do it just after receiving Communion and also make the sign of the cross

 

[sodaseller]

I've never seen anyone bow or genuflect before Communion - we do it just after receiving Communion and also make the sign of the cross

A relatively recent instruction reconfirmed a reverent bow before receipt of the Eucharist. I will see if I can find it. It's not commonly followed and in some cases not even known unless your parsih priest so informs

 

[MouseWorshipin]

And (someone correct me if I'm wrong) I believe that Catholics should genuflect as sign of respect whenever crossing the tabernacle (housing the Body of Christ). As many churches have the tabernacle behind the altar, many Catholics genuflect upon entering the pew. Our new church's tabernacle is off to the side, so you won't see many people genuflecting as they enter.
At my old church, we even bowed slightly just before receiving Communion.

This has been a Catholic update. Back to Mary.

People were genuflecting (going down on one knee, "Will you marry me?" style, but real quick) at their pew long before the church locked up the tabernacles (box where the communion is kept, usually gold) to prevent them from being stolen. I have no idea why they did it then. Yours is as good an explanation of why they do it now as any, I guess. Some who do this also make the sign of the cross.

As the tabernacle has been emptied of its contents when you pass it on your way back from communion, you don't have to genuflect. It is, as you say, the body of Christ, that people show reverence for, not the tabernacle itself. That's my recollection, anyhow. Maybe I'm wrong.


We were taught to bow our heads as the priest held our communion up. This genuflecting first is a new one for me. If we have to wait for everyone to genuflect first, I'm going to be peeved.

 

[sodaseller]

I've never seen anyone bow or genuflect before Communion - we do it just after receiving Communion and also make the sign of the cross

General Instruction of the Roman Missal, No. 160

A: Our correspondent refers to the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, No. 160, which we quote in full along with the number which follows it:

"When receiving Holy Communion, the communicant bows his or her head before the Sacrament as a gesture of reverence and receives the Body of the Lord from the minister. The consecrated host may be received either on the tongue or in the hand, at the discretion of each communicant. When Holy Communion is received under both kinds, the sign of reverence is also made before receiving the Precious Blood."

[No. 161] "If Communion is given only under the species of bread, the priest raises the host slightly and shows it to each, saying, 'Corpus Christi' (The Body of Christ). The communicant replies, 'Amen,' and receives the Sacrament either on the tongue or, where this is allowed and if the communicant so chooses, in the hand. As soon as the communicant receives the host, he or she consumes it entirely."

Enough of debates over Marian theology and the Assumption - let's debate transsubstantiation! (Just kidding)

 

[beattyfamily]

I've never seen anyone bow or genuflect before Communion - we do it just after receiving Communion and also make the sign of the cross

That may be true but it is something we are suppose to do.

And actually, it is not necessary to do the sign of the cross after Communion but many do it. Just as it is not necessary to do the holy water on your way OUT of Church but many still do it.

I'm just sharing what the Roman Missal says about this which is "When receiving Holy Communion, the communicant bows his or her head before the sacrament as a gesture of reverence and receives the Body of the Lord from the minister. The consecrated host may be received either on the tongue or in the hand at the discretion of each communicant. When Holy Communion is received under both kinds, the sign of reverence is also made before receiving the Precious Blood."

 

[helenabear]

A relatively recent instruction reconfirmed a reverent bow before receipt of the Eucharist. I will see if I can find it. It's not commonly followed and in some cases not even known unless your parsih priest so informs

Here's a link with more information about it

http://www.catholic.com/library/liturgy/cag_changes.asp

our Church has put these changes into effect over the last few years. The last change to the GIRM prior to this one was in 1975

 

[beattyfamily]

This genuflecting first is a new one for me. If we have to wait for everyone to genuflect first, I'm going to be peeved.

It's a bow of your heard OR genuflecting and a bow of your head before he puts the Communion in your mouth or hand takes seconds.

I bow my head as I'm saying the word "Amen" so it is no extra time.

 

[beattyfamily]

Here's a link with more information about it

http://www.catholic.com/library/liturgy/cag_changes.asp

our Church has put these changes into effect over the last few years. The last change to the GIRM prior to this one was in 1975

Thank you for that link. It's got everything on one page!

 

[3DisneyBuggs]

Praying the Hail Mary helps me in times of stress. It's true thatC athloics ask for Mary's intercession with God.

 

[toto2]

Not in the subject , but Crankyshank , do you speak french , since your grand-maman was french ?