"That Walt Disney Dude"

[KellyNY]

You are entitle for your own point of view. I am not required to agree with it and you are not required to agree with mine.....AKK

If we describe how we feel, you can only describe how you feel, you cannot tell us that we are not objective or honest about our feelings. You cannot disagree with how other person feel and when you push it on us you do act superior.

 

[crashbb]

If we describe how we feel, you can only describe how you feel, you cannot tell us that we are not objective or honest about our feelings. You cannot disagree with how other person feel and when you push it on us you do act superior.

Well, no. He acts as if he thinks he's superior. Anyone who thinks that they are a better judge of someone's feelings than the person whe experienced said feelings is clearly not superior. Even my four-year-old nephew can tell you that you cannot tell someone that their interpretation of their experiences are wrong.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I beg to differ with you both...........questioning objectivity is not telling your your feeling.its questioning your interpretation of those feeling.

but in the end.......its all still my unimportant opinion.

AKK

 

[stimmons]

Wow, this one got a little carried away!

OP, a very funny observation! I take it at face value and got a great chuckle!

 

[Planogirl]

Is this really something worth arguing about? Those of you offended because not everyone studies the magic that is Walt Disney can just go on and be offended. I choose to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and realize that everyone is different with their own priorities. They won't think like me and it is arrogant to think otherwise IMO.

 

[DCTooTall]

All interesting points but they have no impact on my enjoyment of WDW or anything else related to Disney.

Never said it would. Just thought I'd pass along the info since it helps put the face behind the company into a bit more of a spotlight than many people get an opportunity to see.

The way I see it, You enjoy the parks for what they are. You enjoy other Disney stuff for what they are. And while knowing a bit of the history can be interesting or help put some things into context, It doesn't make or break the your enjoyment of the actual item.

Actually, I'm not convinced that knowing the history does add to my enjoyment. I don't ride Toy Story, for example, thinging about the history of Pixar or what contributions Disney made to movies. I don't look at the castle and have any thoughts about the history of its creation or the castle after which is was designed or even, frankly, Cinderella, Snow White or Sleeping Beauty (and that comment by the PP doesn't even make sense - it is Cinderella's castle, so why would the history of Snow White or Sleeping Beauty matter, if one is supposed to only care about true Disney history of things).

Note - I said MY enjoyment. I'm perfectally happy to believe that it adds to the enjoyment of others. I just don't understand why some of the PPs cannot understand that it doesn't add to the enjoyment of everyone.

i can only assume... But the original comment may have been in reference to the fact the While Cinderella's Castle is in Florida at WDW, the other Disney parks around the world have castles based off other princesses.

(And of course... Snow White was the princess who started it all)

Look, honest opinion ,not putting anyone down, I don't think your being objective.....my opinion.......knowing the man and the history of his time has to have some degree of effect.......


Your free to say what you want

My Opinion............AKK

IMHO.... Not really.

Yes... Knowing the man and his history can have a degree of impact on your enjoyment of certain small touches like the Window's on Mainstreet or other wink/nod type small touches within certain attractions or locations... but it's not a guarantee.

Knowing his history can also impact your enjoyment of classic attractions like the Tiki Birds or Carousel of Progress (Which happens to also be the only attraction in Florida which Walt himself was involved in directly, since it's the original carousel moved from DL, which was moved from the World's Fair. Other Classic attractions are copies of their DL originals.....well... That and the brief glimpse you get of the Progress City model section on the WEDWAY...er... TTA). I'd even be willing to say that due to the reaction those attractions get from many people due to being "boring" or only good for a nap, Knowing the show's input from Walt might be enough to bring it up to at least a mildly entertaining or interesting level.

But Space mountain? Knowing Walt's history isn't going to anything for that attraction. MGM or AK? again, not so much since he wasn't really involved in those parks. I'd even be willing to say that "Epcot" doesn't really have a lot within it that knowing Walt's History would impact your enjoyment of it. The only 'direct' connection between Walt and 'Epcot' is the history of the name. The 'Epcot' name is just them turning the original park's name Acronym into a single Proper noun type name. EPCOT Center's only 'direct' connection with Walt is the Acronym which he had planned for his Experimental Prototype Community Of Tomorrow. The Park itself has nothing really in common with Walt's EPCOT, and is based off more of a Permanent World's Fair type concept. [which, imho, has been kind of lost thanks in large part to the loss of any coherent concept in FutureWorld].



I think the argument that knowing about Walt's history can cause an increased sense of enjoyment at a park might have more validity at DL than in Florida, considering he was directly involved in it's construction and early evolution... and actually walked the park. But since he died long before the Florida parks opened, Walt's direct influence and history is diluted to the point that you have to be someone who really enjoys those little nods Imagineers put there to pay tribute to the man who started it all. That type of person however is going to be the exception though, and not the rule. [it'd be more common those who might enjoy learning a piece of trivia, but there is a difference between the enjoyment gained from learning a bit of trivia, and enjoyment gained from knowing that bit of trivia.]

 

[poohbear13]

 

[crashbb]

Is this really something worth arguing about? Those of you offended because not everyone studies the magic that is Walt Disney can just go on and be offended. I choose to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and realize that everyone is different with their own priorities. They won't think like me and it is arrogant to think otherwise IMO.

I don't care about whether or not someone thinks that knowing about the history means an increase in the magic. I do care about the fact that a poster is saying that either I'm a liar or I'm too stupid to interpret my own experiences/feelings - that, to me, is offensive.

 

[KellyNY]

I beg to differ with you both...........questioning objectivity is not telling your your feeling.its questioning your interpretation of those feeling.

but in the end.......its all still my unimportant opinion.

AKK

So you question our ability to understand our own feelings? You do realize we are not exactly delusional, right?

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I don't care about whether or not someone thinks that knowing about the history means an increase in the magic. I do care about the fact that a poster is saying that either I'm a liar or I'm too stupid to interpret my own experiences/feelings - that, to me, is offensive.

I am sorry you feel that way, it was not my intention to insult anyone........its not important since this is only my opinion on the whole discussion.


AKK

 

[DCTooTall]

I beg to differ with you both...........questioning objectivity is not telling your your feeling.its questioning your interpretation of those feeling.

but in the end.......its all still my unimportant opinion.

AKK

It hasn't yet been asked though in this way... so I'll bite....

So what exactly makes it worth questioning other's objectivity, but not your own? They are stating their opinions, and you are stating your opinions.

Is this really something worth arguing about? Those of you offended because not everyone studies the magic that is Walt Disney can just go on and be offended. I choose to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and realize that everyone is different with their own priorities. They won't think like me and it is arrogant to think otherwise IMO.

I enjoy trivia. That's why I enjoy knowing and even learning so much about so many aspects of the parks. But i also know that not everyone gets that same level of enjoyment from trivia, and therefor are going to put learning those nuggets of relatively useless information as high on their priority list.

In the non disney world.... It's kinda the same as sports. There are a lot of people who can enjoy watching a good game of their sport of choice, but not everyone has the time, or desire, to learn all those bits of sports trivia and stats around the sport. Are we going to say that someone can't enjoy watching a close game with 2 good teams if they don't know that the last time XYZ event happened was 23yrs ago in a game between Team1 and Team2?

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

It hasn't yet been asked though in this way... so I'll bite....

So what exactly makes it worth questioning other's objectivity, but not your own? They are stating their opinions, and you are stating your opinions.



Good way to go at this....................I believe I am objective because I am approaching this from knowing the whole story/ history. Some here say they know it but still don't get anymore enjoyment from the parks.

I offered a example,that a person by common sense and mental abilities, would most enjoy the Castle by knowing why Disney put it there, then just seeing a Castle and not know why its there.

I am sorry they disagreeand they had ............no to be fair........we had fun going back and forth, but it is still my belief that by having more knowledge you will enjoy more!

I never insulted or meant to insult anyone,its only MHO.and is meaningless to anyone but me. But I am entitled to my opinion.


AKK

 

[nmmom95]

It hasn't yet been asked though in this way... so I'll bite....

So what exactly makes it worth questioning other's objectivity, but not your own? They are stating their opinions, and you are stating your opinions.



Good way to go at this....................I believe I am objective because I am approaching this from knowing the whole story/ history. Some here say they know it but still don't get anymore enjoyment from the parks.

I offered a example,that a person by common sense and mental abilities, would most enjoy the Castle by knowing why Disney put it there, then just seeing a Castle and not know why its there.

I am sorry they disagreeand they had ............no to be fair........we had fun going back and forth, but it is still my belief that by having more knowledge you will enjoy more!

I never insulted or meant to insult anyone,its only MHO.and is meaningless to anyone but me. But I am entitled to my opinion.


AKK

I actually think that it depends on the person. I love WDW, but I have never seen One Man's Dream, nor do I care to see it. Some people may feel differently, as is their right, but I can tell you, that not knowing much about Walt Disney has not diminished my enjoyment.

 

[KellyNY]

It hasn't yet been asked though in this way... so I'll bite....

So what exactly makes it worth questioning other's objectivity, but not your own? They are stating their opinions, and you are stating your opinions.



Good way to go at this....................I believe I am objective because I am approaching this from knowing the whole story/ history. Some here say they know it but still don't get anymore enjoyment from the parks.

I offered a example,that a person by common sense and mental abilities, would most enjoy the Castle by knowing why Disney put it there, then just seeing a Castle and not know why its there.
I am sorry they disagreeand they had ............no to be fair........we had fun going back and forth, but it is still my belief that by having more knowledge you will enjoy more!

I never insulted or meant to insult anyone,its only MHO.and is meaningless to anyone but me. But I am entitled to my opinion.


AKK

So, since we know how can we be not objective, or something is wrong with our mental abilities? And you still insist you do not want to insult anyone? Are you trolling?

 

[Poohforyou]

It hasn't yet been asked though in this way... so I'll bite....

So what exactly makes it worth questioning other's objectivity, but not your own? They are stating their opinions, and you are stating your opinions.



Good way to go at this....................I believe I am objective because I am approaching this from knowing the whole story/ history. Some here say they know it but still don't get anymore enjoyment from the parks.

I offered a example,that a person by common sense and mental abilities, would most enjoy the Castle by knowing why Disney put it there, then just seeing a Castle and not know why its there.

I am sorry they disagreeand they had ............no to be fair........we had fun going back and forth, but it is still my belief that by having more knowledge you will enjoy more!

I never insulted or meant to insult anyone,its only MHO.and is meaningless to anyone but me. But I am entitled to my opinion.


AKK

But you aren't being objective, you're still just stating an opinion like the rest of us. To actuallly be objective you'd have to go at this scientifically.

For example you'd have to have a group that was told all about the history of the castle and one that knew nothing about it. Then you'd need to hook up your to groups to some kind of brain wave monitor that records pleasure. You'd then have to take both groups to see the castle & report their brain wave activity.

I don't give a darn if people are a walking Encyclopedia of all things Disney. I do however care if people don't have a basic understanding of what an opinion is.

 

[declansdad]

The way I see it, You enjoy the parks for what they are. You enjoy other Disney stuff for what they are. And while knowing a bit of the history can be interesting or help put some things into context, It doesn't make or break the your enjoyment of the actual item.

Then you agree with most of us on this thread.

 

[DCTooTall]

It hasn't yet been asked though in this way... so I'll bite....

So what exactly makes it worth questioning other's objectivity, but not your own? They are stating their opinions, and you are stating your opinions.



Good way to go at this....................I believe I am objective because I am approaching this from knowing the whole story/ history. Some here say they know it but still don't get anymore enjoyment from the parks.

I offered a example,that a person by common sense and mental abilities, would most enjoy the Castle by knowing why Disney put it there, then just seeing a Castle and not know why its there.

I am sorry they disagreeand they had ............no to be fair........we had fun going back and forth, but it is still my belief that by having more knowledge you will enjoy more!

I never insulted or meant to insult anyone,its only MHO.and is meaningless to anyone but me. But I am entitled to my opinion.


AKK

But that's not really being objective either. It's stating your opinion which doesn't have any more factual basis then someone else's opinion.

Example: (Going with sports again since it's a concept that pretty easy for most people to understand)

Someone sees a player score a touchdown during the Superbowl. Is it any less enjoyable for the person who doesn't really follow all of the inner workings of football to see that great effort and play, than it is for the guy who knows all the stats and the fact that player scored X number of touchdowns during the regular season?

Different people enjoy different things. Some people enjoy knowing all the little details about something, and can enjoy knowing everything about it and all the little details. Other's don't really care.

Does it make watching the MSEP any more enjoyable knowing how there are sensors embedded in the roadway which allow the park to know where in the park each float is located so that it can sync the music to your zone? Or can someone just enjoy the 'Magic', pretty lights, and fun and energy of the parade and performers?


Just because you are someone who enjoys knowing all the history, efforts, and details in the park's and their history... and thereby enjoy the parks more as a result, Doesn't mean that the same holds true to everyone. The Kid or family who are getting their once in a lifetime Disney trip are not going to care about details such as the "piss-ditch" in the roadway in Liberty Square/Frontierland, But are still going to enjoy their Disney Experience immensely.


In some ways, I'd probably think (objectively?) that the ability to get enjoyment out of knowing the details, history, and trivia, of the parks is more likely to by-product of repeated trips to the parks. If you go to the parks often enough, You may start to find that things like the AudioAnimatronics at the parks, Characters roaming around, and ride experiences start to become old-hat. It can become more of a "same-old thing" type of experience, so you aren't going to receive the same enjoyment from riding Small World the 100th time as you did the first. In those circumstances, It's perfectly reasonable that someone who learns a bit more about the park history might find that they are seeing their enjoyment levels increasing again back towards that first time feeling.

I wouldn't say that this is a case of someone who knows the history of the parks is getting more enjoyment out of the parks and experiences than someone without that knowledge... But that their enjoyment of the parks has started to evolve from the 'bright-eyed wonder' at the experience to one which is rooted more in the 'it's amazing how they put this all together'.


Make sense?

 

[DCTooTall]

Then you agree with most of us on this thread.

Everyone is different, and has their own opinion. Most of my posts initially in this thread where designed more on the idea of just informing people of some of the basic history so they could form their own opinions on what Walt accomplished. I also stated that I knew I knew more Disney trivia than a lot of people and didn't expect them to know as much as I do, or even really to care enough about the subject to put the effort into learning about it (hense, offering the information freely so no effort really required).

Then of course, somehow at some point the feel of the thread took a drastic turn.... So I just wanted to try and make clear where I stood on where the thread had gone. (Since I could see how my earlier sharing of my Disney Trivia and opinion could easily come across differently under the changing light of the thread's mood.)

 

[declansdad]

Everyone is different, and has their own opinion. Most of my posts initially in this thread where designed more on the idea of just informing people of some of the basic history so they could form their own opinions on what Walt accomplished. I also stated that I knew I knew more Disney trivia than a lot of people and didn't expect them to know as much as I do, or even really to care enough about the subject to put the effort into learning about it (hense, offering the information freely so no effort really required).

Then of course, somehow at some point the feel of the thread took a drastic turn.... So I just wanted to try and make clear where I stood on where the thread had gone. (Since I could see how my earlier sharing of my Disney Trivia and opinion could easily come across differently under the changing light of the thread's mood.)

The difference is you haven't belittled people or acted superior to those who don't know the history or to those who have had a different opinion.

 

[DCTooTall]

The difference is you haven't belittled people or acted superior to those who don't know the history or to those who have had a different opinion.

Heh... maybe it's the years of working Tech support when I was younger, But I know that just because I know a lot about something, doesn't mean that I'm better than someone who is a complete idiot on that subject. I may know absolutely nothing on a subject that they know everything about, so it'll all balance out.

(And for a 'useless' subject of knowledge like Disney Trivia, why bother getting worked up either way about it).



That said.... I figured it was a good idea to clarify my position anyways since while under normal circumstances my posts weren't the type that made me look superior to someone else, With the tilt this thread has taken I could see my offerings of trivia could be misconstrued. (in an online forum.... better safe than sorry if there is any chance of being misunderstood)