Texas and dictatorship

[Charade]

and fourth graders are having orgies in the classroom? Please...They will not catch it in the classroom, they should not need it to attend school.

You have to think beyond your "moment of outrage". Of course 4th graders aren't having orgies. Hysterical overreactions like this are unecessary.

What if this virus caused cancer but wasn't sexually transmitted and vaccination in a childs early years would prevent it later in life?

I will agree with you that it shouldn't be tied to attendence.

 

[DVCLiz]

If the state wants to pay for it, fine. I assume they are footing the bill, right?

The Texas legislation says that girls entering 6th grade(therefore, most likely 11 and 12) in 2008 will be required to get this vaccine. In addition, the state health departments are being required to offer the vaccine to girls 9-18 who do not have private health insurance, or whose insurance doesn't cover the vaccine. Also, Medicaid is being asked to pay for girls 19-21. All of those details were in the report previously quoted. I missed the part about 4th grade orgies.

Most schoolchildren would have insurance to pay for the vaccine. The state of Texas would pick up the cost for the uninsured and the underinsured, at least that's my interpretation.

If you think middle school is too early for anything that deals with sexually transmitted disease, then you are out of touch witht what's happening in today's middle schools.

 

[DVCLiz]

Exactly, and let's not forget the older pertussis vaccine removed after being linked to SID's or the mercury in some vaccines being linked to autism. Parents, give it some serious thought. There is no reason to rush out and get your 9 year old vaccinated. Unless of course she is sexually active, which I highly doubt.

We had an exhaustive thread about autism last night. There is no link between mercury in some vaccines and autism. It's been disproven and if you'll visit that thread you'll see reams of studies that have said so.

 

[LakeAriel]

Actually, I quoted all of that information in one of my earlier posts, if you had read that far back. I didn't have the chance to link it (because I don't know how!) but I read it three times as I was posting, so I think I got all the pertinent information in it.

My question, though, is - so what? Why is it importnat that Merck made a campaign contribution, or that his former staffer was a lobbyist, or that the mother in law of his current staffer was a WIG executive? Why does that automatically signal graft and corruption? Couldn't it just as easily represent a lot of good people wanting to do a lot of good for a lot of girls? I don't think it would be in Merck's best interest to suppress a drug that had so much promise, and they've followed the same guidelines every other new drug has. Women in Government might very well be the most effective tool for moving women's issues like this into the spotlight, instead of a shady organization being bought off by the drug companies. And why wouldn't it be a really fortunate thing that the governor's staffer's MIL was connected with that organization and able to make the personal connection that got this in front of the governor?

I just think there is more than one way to interpret that, and if, like me, you believe this vaccine is a great thing for girls, then you don't necessarily see a conspiracy theory at work - you see a lot of girls being saved from a pretty horrible disease in their future.

Because there are risks to all vaccines! Let's put some time under this before it is a requirement is all I am saying..Do what you want, my kids would not get it.

 

[LakeAriel]

We had an exhaustive thread about autism last night. There is no link between mercury in some vaccines and autism. It's been disproven and if you'll visit that thread you'll see reams of studies that have said so.

Really? Perhaps, but they have removed mercury from vaccines...and not all experts are convinced there is not a link.

 

[LakeAriel]

You have to think beyond your "moment of outrage". Of course 4th graders aren't having orgies. Hysterical overreactions like this are unecessary.

What if this virus caused cancer but wasn't sexually transmitted and vaccination in a childs early years would prevent it later in life?

I will agree with you that it shouldn't be tied to attendence.

If it was airborne it would be different IF you could opt out like with other vaccines. Seeems crazy to me to subsidize tobacco companies and REQUIRE this vaccination.

 

[DVCLiz]

Really? Perhaps, but they have removed mercury from vaccines...and not all experts are convinced there is not a link.

Really, the experts are. Convinced there is not a link, I mean. The MMR vacine that was thought to be the cause never even contained the mercury-based thimerosal, as was also stated over and over again in that thread, by medical doctors who were posting.

 

[Charade]

Because there are risks to all vaccines! Let's put some time under this before it is a requirement is all I am saying..

No you're not. You started this thread to bash the "Dictator" of Texas and make something of his "ties" to Merck.

 

[DVCLiz]

People are allowed to opt out of these vaccinations. Is the state going to allow people to opt out of this one too?

I feel the risk of vaccinations is much less than the disease they prevent but in my opinion this is something for a parent to decide about their child. If they are allowed to opt out just like any other vaccination then I see nothing wrong with the state trying to protect the girls.

Yes, there is an opt out provision for families on religious or philosophical reasons.

 

[LakeAriel]

No you're not. You started this thread to bash the "Dictator" of Texas and make something of his "ties" to Merck.

No, the only article I saw about this mentioned his ties to Merck..I found that very disturbing. I worked for a pharmacy for years and I have to tell you it is not all about the patient..Not even close.

 

[CherCrazy]

I'm with you on many points Lake Ariel. I believe caution should be used before jumping into getting ANY new vaccine or drug. History has proven that drug manufacturers can be wrong. Look at the thalidomide drug tragedy in the 50's with thousands of babies born with birth defects. Remember the swine flu "epidemic" in the 70's that had so many people rushing to get innoculated and many ended up with problems that were worse than the flu? Or how about the recent problems with antidepressants causing suicides? Just recently we all heard about the drug coated heart stent that was actually causing heart attacks.

It can be very wise to be cautious. I won't be having my DD get that vaccine for quite a while.

 

[pospisil]

I can't stand Perry at all, but I really don't see the problem here. If you don't want your child to have the vaccine, opt out. It's that simple.

Dictatorship? I don't think so. Dictators don't give options.

 

[LakeAriel]

Merck is bankrolling efforts to pass state laws across the country mandating Gardasil for girls as young as 11 or 12. It doubled its lobbying budget in Texas and has funneled money through Women in Government, an advocacy group made up of female state legislators around the country.

Doesn't that bother you just a bit? The fact the company, MERCK, making this vaccine, is paying to get it to become a "law" that girls get this vaccine?

The fact that this governor has a special interest in this drug company?

The fact this this governor wrote an executive order bypassing the legislative branch to mandate this?

The only silver lining is by the time it can be enforced a lot more may be known about the vaccine.

Vaccines are life savers but also can destroy the immune system. It is just how they work. If your immune system turns on itself you can develop autoimmune diseases such as MS, Sjogrens, Graves, Addisons, Cushings etc.
Just step back and do some research before you buy all this hype.
There is an outbreak of chicken pox throughout the country in children who were vaccinated....fortunately this is a rarely fatal disease and IMO should not be forced either. Thank God people can opt out but not enough know that, let's keep telling them!

 

[mrsg00fy]

I don't have a daughter, but I would have a real problem with this...... My son had a huge problem with chicken pox shot....a shot I should never had agreed to.......but we had it done at the pediatrician's insistence.

These "new" vaccines really are scary to me.

My son went into shock and his throat started to swell shut. He was 4 years old. I'll never forget the shrieks, the welts that immediately began to form all over his face and the terror in his eyes. The nurse had already left the room and I ran after her. She said he was just upset. I insisted she get the doctor. The doctor looked at him, put the stethoscope up to his chest and said that his throat (maybe esophagus?) was having spasms and was closing. They got him under control....but it was very scary. They sent us for allergy testing the next day.....and we still do not know what it was in the vaccine that caused the problem. No other vaccine had ever had this type of effect. The incident was reported to the state.

 

[Charade]

Merck is bankrolling efforts to pass state laws across the country mandating Gardasil for girls as young as 11 or 12. It doubled its lobbying budget in Texas and has funneled money through Women in Government, an advocacy group made up of female state legislators around the country.

Doesn't that bother you just a bit? The fact the company, MERCK, making this vaccine, is paying to get it to become a "law" that girls get this vaccine?

The fact that this governor has a special interest in this drug company?

The fact this this governor wrote an executive order bypassing the legislative branch to mandate this?
!

It's called lobbying. I don't particularly care for lobbying but the term "bankrolling" is misleading and causes people to believe that something illegal or nefarious might be going on.

The Texas Constitution gives the Governor the authority to do what he did. You may not like it, but he's not breaking the law.

 

[Glinda64]

Because there are risks to all vaccines! Let's put some time under this before it is a requirement is all I am saying..Do what you want, my kids would not get it.

My thoughts exactly. This has nothing to do with the health of our children. It's all about money. Remember when all docs were recommending that women of a certain age take HRT? Remember what a huge mistake that was? I am furious that this vaccination is/will be mandated. Any time we mess with our immune systems, other things go wrong with our bodies.

 

[LakeAriel]

It's called lobbying. I don't particularly care for lobbying but the term "bankrolling" is misleading and causes people to believe that something illegal or nefarious might be going on.

The Texas Constitution gives the Governor the authority to do what he did. You may not like it, but he's not breaking the law.

I am not saying he is breaking the law but how about putting our children before our pocketbooks? I happen to own some Merck stock and when I opened their page the first thing they referenced was the Governors order to vaccinate. On the stock pages! Our children don't belong on the stock pages! I would rather lose every share ( not many, I can assure you) then shove their drugs down the throats of the public..As I said this MAY turn out to be a wonder drug..It is just way too soon to know the ramifications and to force feed it on a populous, either with executive order or false advertising is horrible to me as a parent and Grandparent.

This is what it says..Please rememeber that no serious side effects is partially due to the fact it has just entered the market.


The executive order is effective until Perry or a successor changes it, and the Legislature has no authority to repeal it, said Perry spokeswoman Krista Moody. Moody said the Texas Constitution permits the governor, as head of the executive branch, to order other members of the executive branch to adopt rules like this one.

The federal government approved Gardasil in June, and a government advisory panel has recommended that all girls get the shots at 11 and 12, before they are likely to be sexually active.

Merck could generate billions in sales if Gardasil - at $360 for the three-shot regimen - were made mandatory across the country. Most insurance companies now cover the vaccine, which has been shown to have no serious side effects.

 

[gradtchr]

Perry is certainly not one of my favorite people and I can say that because I did not vote for him in this most recent election. However as a Texan I do not feel that I am living under a dictatorship, and don't really appreciate it being insinuated that I am.

If the vaccine prevents cancer you can better belive your bottom dollar that if I have a daughter she will be getting the vaccine when she can. Whether it's mandated by the state or not.

I really do not care who put money in his campaign fund because according to the numbers of how he spent on this most recent election a lot of people had to. Lobbying is lobbying and ya know what it doesn't just go on in Texas and unfortunately it's been known to work on a national level. It's just part of the game we call government.

 

[LakeAriel]

My thoughts exactly. This has nothing to do with the health of our children. It's all about money. Remember when all docs were recommending that women of a certain age take HRT? Remember what a huge mistake that was? I am furious that this vaccination is/will be mandated. Any time we mess with our immune systems, other things go wrong with our bodies.

So true! I am so glad I never took it. Any drug that requires you to have a liver function test prior to use, sets off an alarm!

 

[LakeAriel]

Please read who should not have this vaccine:


http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_ppi.pdf