Testing for ASD...

DS is very smart too, the challenge is getting it out of him... especially if it's something he's not personally interested in.

His writing (printing) is horrible, and getting him to write is a constant battle. Trying to get his thought or feelings down on paper is one of our biggest setbacks. He hates to write anything!

His strengths are math, science, spelling (verbal), and robotics.
 
DS is very smart too, the challenge is getting it out of him... especially if it's something he's not personally interested in.

His writing (printing) is horrible, and getting him to write is a constant battle. Trying to get his thought or feelings down on paper is one of our biggest setbacks. He hates to write anything!

His strengths are math, science, spelling (verbal), and robotics.

We struggle with the handwriting too. It is PAINFUL!
 
Both my boys struggle with printing/writing. One is ADHD with a non-verbal learning disorder, the other is my sweet little Aspergers boy (DS11|) with ADHD symptoms. I was very confused with his diagnosis. The psychologist testing him said that you couldn't diagnose Aspergers and ADHD together, they classed it as having one but with symptoms of the other. It really makes do difference to me, it's all the same, just wording in my opinion.

Anyway, back to printing etc. Both my boys struggle. DS 11 has been brought to tears when he has to write (well print, neither of them write) things down.

DS 11 is smart as a whip and very, very observant (when he wants to be). His dad compared him the other day to Sheldon Cooper from Big Bang Theory when I told him that our son wanted to wear a shirt and tie to school! LOL

DS 14 (ADHD and nv learning disorder) is in grade 9 and his printing is still pretty much illegible although part of it for both boys is lack of effort because they are in such a hurry to get it over with.

OP, I understand what you are going through. I knew from a very young age that my son was different and that there was something going on. His teachers always told me I needed to get him to the doctor to get him meds for ADHD but I knew that didn't quite fit. I did my research and came up with Aspergers and that fit much better. I was not surprised when I had him tested and that was the outcome. There was still a part of me that hoped it would be some simple fix, not something that he will most likely struggle with for the rest of his life in one way or another. I still wonder if maybe the diagnosis was wrong even though it's been a year and a half and I already suspected before going in that was the case. I think maybe he will grow out of it and quit struggling. I know that isn't the case but those are the thoughts that run through my head sometimes. There is still that bit of denial there.

Right now, I just wish I could take the pain of not having a friend away from him. That is all he wants is a friend.

OP, take care and come back when you need someone to talk to.
 
Thanks. :lovestruc Here is our story. There are a lot of little things that over time added up to something being off...

There was not one thing that made us decide to have Ethan evaluated. It was a progression of little things that made me realize that maybe he needed help. It all started in pre-school. The teachers noticed that at recess time Ethan would sit on the side of the playground and watch the other kids play without ever joining in. We decided at that time to do a Child Find evaluation for him. (Child Find is a state funded early intervention program.) He did not qualify for any services. We also noticed in pre-school that he did not like to be touched lightly. If a teacher gently touched his shoulder to get his attention he would FREAK OUT! Now if you firmly grip his shoulder he is fine. We also noticed that when he hugged you he would back in for the hug instead of hugging you front on. He also has trouble sitting still so we got him a special cushion to sit on at meal times and a fidget (basically a spiky ball) that he could hold in his hands at circle time at school.

On to Kindergarten, Ethan had a lot of trouble the first few weeks with separation anxiety and it manifested itself in accidents. Again we noticed things like the fidgeting and the lack of social interaction with the other kids. He had trouble paying attention in class (beyond the usual 5 year old boy stuff), however if you asked him about it later he could almost always tell you what the teacher had said, almost word for word. We had him evaluated by the school psychologist and she agreed that he had a social/emotional developmental delay and has started working with him once a week.

On to First Grade. Ethan was pretty much the same socially, with the exception that he made a best friend. Benjamin. They seem to get along really well and Benjamin is really protective of Ethan. It is really sweet actually. Some other small things began to happen. Ethan seemed to lack impulse control. For example, a kid cut in front of him in line on the way in from recess and Ethan pushed him. This is pretty common. He is not overtly aggressive, but when he gets upset he can't think rationally and can't seem to control his body. He is also easily distracted. In first grade students are allowed to leave the room to go to the bathroom whenever they have to go. Ethan started using this as a excuse to get out of his seat and would be wandering in the hall when someone went to look for him. He was then given certain times when he was allowed to go to the bathroom (unless it was an emergency and he does know the difference. He was also given a certain stall that he had to use to help him focus and stay on task. There was another boy in his class who had the same situation and had his own stall. One day Ethan went into the bathroom and the other boy was in his stall. Instead of going to get the teacher, Ethan smacked him on the bottom. When we talked about it later he said that he should have gotten the teacher, but he does not know why he didn't. Again...lack of impulse control. In February the school called a meeting and asked if it was okay with me if they evaluated him for an IEP. I said yes immediately, but I got the impression that most parents are against this. I guess I understand their point of view on this, but to me it seemed obvious that if her needed help and the school was willing to provide it to him that I should take advantage of it. His evaluations happened and we learned that he has a Emotional Disability (which seems like a really generic phrase to me), he has a slight speech impediment, and he lacks the ability to carry on a progressive back-and-forth conversation. It was something that I had never realized before but it is spot on. He can talk to you, but really can't talk with you.

There were other little incidents throughout the year and there came a point where I came to the conclusion that we had to get him evaluated medically. It was ironic really because a few days after this thought occurred to me, the principal called and wanted to schedule another meeting with me. I remember when he started talking he seemed so nervous. He said something about how he and the staff at school could not make medical dx and I realized that they were wanting me to have Ethan tested. I think it would have been hard if I had not come to the conclusion on my own, but I found it to be almost a relief because they could tell me how to go about it and I did not feel so isolated.

I set up an appointment with my Pediatrician and he was AMAZING! We talked for over tow hours and he made me feel like it was all going to be okay and gave me the names of some centers in the area that can do the testing. (We decided to do it privately so we did not have to wait on long lists to be seen and wait forever for insurance approval.) I had my parent meeting yesterday and the center I chose seemed like a great place. They said that Ethan would have to go through a Neuropsycholgical evaluation which would take place in two three hour sessions. I decided I wanted to move ahead. He had his first session last Wednesday and his second session on Monday. We go back for our follow-up on Aug. 15.

Wow...that was long! Probably more info than you wanted but that is our story.

Hi,

Firstly, well done you for pursuing this and getting tests done. So many parents fail to do it resulting in diagnosis (and support) delays and with children with ASD, the earlier the intervention, the more successful it can be!

So, I have 2 daughters (11 & 7) who my wife and I adopted 4 years ago. DD11 has what most people would call "classic autism" and DD7 has recently been identified as having Aspergers. They are very different children behaviour wise.

DD11 has co-morbid conditions (moderate mental retardation, severe psychosocial disorder, expressive and receptive language disorder) which cause her behaviour to much more erratic. She has no impluse control and will do ridiculously dangerous things but she is very social and demands attention. DD7 has severe anxiety disorder co-morbid. She is of above average intelligence and is a high flyer in everything she does, but socially she can not cope. She likes other children, but she doesn't seem to understand them.

From what you are describing, all the puzzle pieces fit. The on-set of difficulty tends to be around the age of 3 (which is why it was linked to MMR which is given around that same time). The fact that he has always been on the social sidelines, that he has anxiety and ritualistic behaviours and some language delays, would indicate he meets the criteria for ASD.

How does he do in school academically?
Does he have anything he is very "gifted" at?
Does he do better in subjects like Math and Science?
Does he have avid interests in particular things (insects, space, trains, cars tend to be common)?
Does he like things that spin?
Does he or did he walk on tippy toes?
Does he spin, flap his hands in times of anxiety?

I am not a doctor but I do have a lot of experience in ASD (I was a teacher before I adopted my kids) and there are things that are common in ASD kids.

The tests here (in the UK) may have different names to the ones used elsewhere, but they typically consist of IQ tests (to test general cognitive ability), ADOS test (a play led test that assessing social functioning) executive function tests, questionnaires for parents, teachers, etc. and tests of their behaviours, rituals etc. You will probably be asked about all the questions above too because they are very common.

Hope that helps and if you have any questions feel free to PM me!
 

Just an update from our end.

Two weeks ago we went through the initial round of tests, which ultimately came back as an early diagnose of high-functioning asperger's. Both doctor's we saw were very confident in their diagnose.

DS is scheduled to have his ADOS testing tomorrow, so I'm sure that will assist in helping them confirm their initial findings.

I feel better knowing that we did the right thing in getting DS assessed. This is just the first step... Regardless I consider myself so lucky and blessed to have him as my son :lovestruc
 












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