Tell me about teaching (LONG vent about nursing)

You need to seriously think about what the job outlook is for teaching. I went into it thinking there'd be jobs (you read everywhere that places are always hiring teachers!), but where I live there can be up to 300 applicants for one job. :sad2: I can't tell you how awful it is to have this degree and not be able to use it.

ITA. I graduated from college at the age of 40 with a degree in Early
Childhood. I was very fortunate that a job opened up at the school I student taught, and I didn't even have to interview, I got the job. However, it is at a Catholic school (which I love), but I make a little over $20,000 and this is my sixth year. I still am required to do everything that public teachers do (and I should be) to maintain my license, including getting my master's degree. There are absolutely no teaching jobs to be found in this area (Ohio). I have looked at public schools, other teachers have looked from my school and nothing is available. Out of all my friends I graduated with (in 2004), only a handful have found a full time teaching job in this area.

I love teaching, but please, please, look into the job availability before you make a decision. If you do a search, there are many threads about teachers not being able to find a job, not just this one.
 
The sense that I got from reading your post is that you burnt out. Understandable working so many difficult hours per week (for presumably low pay), still with young children and a spouse in school, etc.
I do think the OP has too much going on in her life right now, and that's never a good time to make a decision. For a family that already has a child and a low paycheck, resources may not stretch far enough to allow TWO PARENTS to pursue job training at the same time.

OP, I'd suggest that you sit tight for now (yes, I know that stinks, but sometimes being a grown-up and being the mommy means doing things you don't like). Your husband has already started his training. Let him finish, then once he's working at a better pay rate, it'll be YOUR TURN. Use the time in between to do that job shadowing, and make up your mind what you want to do. This'll give you the time to KNOW that you're making the right decision, and you won't strain the family's limited resources.
Teaching has decent daytime hours, with weekends, holidays and often summers off. You can probably expect to work 5 days per week. Often relatively close to home. Pretty nice set up.

Nursing has all kinds of hours, including shift work, weekends and holidays, with shift differentials. This can be a good thing - or not. Commute might be long if you want to work in a major medical center. However you might well be able to find a 36 hr position, three days per week. Eventually that will be nice when you have four days off per week.
Your description of teachers' working conditions is a little better than the reality -- most people would probably describe it in just this way. The truth is that we have very predictable hours (and that's one of the things I like best about the job), but we do fill those evenings, weekends, and even summers with more job-related tasks than you'd believe! I'm at school either in the evening or on a Saturday probably once every other week (club activities, sports events, etc.). Sometimes I go to school before 7:00 and stay 'til 9:00 or so -- for NO extra pay. The average business professional works 240 days per year; the average teacher works 200 days.

I said it in a previous post: No one should go into teaching because you think the hours will be shorter than those for other jobs. Your "main work hours" are shorter (though don't neglect that you'll go to work before the sun's up and never have a break all day), but you'll be at school an awful lot more than you expect, and you'll bring things home. The things you'll do after-hours are usually pretty flexible, but you'll be putting in the hours.

Close to home? I live a mile from my school, but my co-workers are varied. Some live nearby, others are more than an hour away. I like living in the district so that my children go to "my school"; other teachers purposefully choose to go farther from their own children. The plus to living closeby is obvious; the negative to living close-by is that you live in the same district as your students, so they serve your food at restaurants, they check out your groceries, they're at the Y when you go to workout. This is both good and bad.

While we're on the subject of work conditions, high school teachers share their space with over 100 people each day. Often we are required to rotate in and out of our classrooms at various times during the day. We have no space to lock up personal things (a few years ago we had an awful time with our lunches being stolen . . . 'til a certain custodian was fired). From the time our day begins to the end of the day, we have no privacy -- my classroom may be "mine", but it's really only mine in the sense that I have to clean it -- other people are ALWAYS in it.

Teachers never sit down. Well, maybe during their 26 minute lunch, though they're still supervising students during that time.

How does this stack up with nurses' working conditions? I have no idea. Well, a friend of mine who's a nurse had a sweet deal when her boys were small: She worked two 12-hour shifts on Saturday and Sunday and was paid for a full 40 hours/week, which allowed her to be home all week with her children. I think it was tough on her and her husband, but they agreed to do it for a couple years and were pleased with it. I suspect that an RN would have more work-hours options than a teacher; an RN could work in a doctor's office and have nice, predictable hours, or could work any shift at a hospital, or could work as an at-home nurse. In my own mind, I picture nurses -- good nurses with BS RN degrees and experience -- having flexible choices. Is this true? I don't know, but I do know what it's really like working in a school!
 
ITA. I graduated from college at the age of 40 with a degree in Early
Childhood. I was very fortunate that a job opened up at the school I student taught, and I didn't even have to interview, I got the job. However, it is at a Catholic school (which I love), but I make a little over $20,000 and this is my sixth year. I still am required to do everything that public teachers do (and I should be) to maintain my license, including getting my master's degree. There are absolutely no teaching jobs to be found in this area (Ohio). I have looked at public schools, other teachers have looked from my school and nothing is available. Out of all my friends I graduated with (in 2004), only a handful have found a full time teaching job in this area.

I love teaching, but please, please, look into the job availability before you make a decision. If you do a search, there are many threads about teachers not being able to find a job, not just this one.
I've heard that Ohio is one of the WORST areas in the country for finding a teaching job. I personally know LOADS of Ohioians (is that a word?) who've come to NC because they can't find jobs. A couple years ago my daughter's middle school had more teachers from Ohio than from NC. Boggles the mind, doesn't it? If it were SC or Virginia, or if we were right on the state border . . . but we're not. Ohio isn't particularly close to us geographically.

Your point, of course, is quite valid: Do not train yourself for a profession that isn't available in your area -- not unless you're willing to relocate AND not unless you know the job is in demand elsewhere.
 
Depends upon where you live. I was hired IMMEDIATELY after I graduated (admittedly, the hiring climate was better in the early 90s). My student teacher was offered TWO JOBS in this county before she finished student teaching (she had paperwork for other counties, but didn't bother to finish filing those applications); she finished in June of 2008, so that's a recent story.

Special ed is tricky, AND they have a higher burn-out rate than other departments. Their jobs are HARD! But in my area, they are in need. Also, we need teachers for math and world languages. Also, ESL teachers are in high demand.

There are more elementary teachers out there trying to get jobs, so the competition's more stiff for them.

You must not live in NJ. I graduated December 2008 and I have had the hardest time. I have a pretty much worthless Elementary k-5 cert as well as a Middle School English teaching cert (grades 5-8). In my state you need the elementary cert for a middle school cert so that is how it works.

Special Ed is now requiring dual/triple certs for one clasroom IN ADDITION TO the Special Ed cert. For example, the last school I was currently at needed a special ed teacher in a small self contained classroom. Since this classroom was in a middle school, it was mandated that this special ed teacher needed to have the special ed cert, science middle school cert and a social studies middle school cert to even be considered for the interview.
 

You must not live in NJ. I graduated December 2008 and I have had the hardest time. I have a pretty much worthless Elementary k-5 cert as well as a Middle School English teaching cert (grades 5-8). In my state you need the elementary cert for a middle school cert so that is how it works.

Special Ed is now requiring dual/triple certs for one clasroom IN ADDITION TO the Special Ed cert. For example, the last school I was currently at needed a special ed teacher in a small self contained classroom. Since this classroom was in a middle school, it was mandated that this special ed teacher needed to have the special ed cert, science middle school cert and a social studies middle school cert to even be considered for the interview.
I'm not doubting that there are places where teaching jobs are next-to-impossible to obtain, but -- as I said -- it depends upon where you live.
 
One more thought for the OP: How long would it take you to become qualified for each of the jobs you're envisioning for your future?

Since you already have the CNA license, I assume you could become an RN in less time than you could become a teacher (and much less time than you could become a vet). Since you already have a child, I assume you need to get started working in a profitable job ASAP, so if -- and this is a total guess on my part -- you could become an RN in two years, but a teaching certificate would require three years of school, that could be an important consideration in your decision making process.
 
Teaching careers have positive and negative sides just like any other job out there.

Sure it's great to have summers off, but it stinks not getting a paycheck for 2 months. Vacations will always cost more too. In my district, you are not allowed to take time off during the year and we can't use personal days for vacations.

I have had some really great classes with no behavior issues and kids that really wanted to learn, but I've also had classes where behavior was a major issue and time consuming to the point where I would go home at the end of the day and wonder if I actually got through to them that day.

I've had students from very nice families with parents that are super involved and it shows in their children, but I've also had crack babies, homeless students, students with severe ADHD, ODD, etc.

I've had students come up and give me a hug, but I've also had to break up fights between students that were bigger than me.

It's great when you see kids have that Ah-ha moment, but not so good when they curse you out.

The hours are good if you only work the contracted hours, but most good teachers put in much more time than that.

You will have parents that will do anything to help their child succeed, but you will also have parents that blame you when their children don't. Parents that will make any excuse for their children to get out of work, trouble, etc.

Teaching is not just about teaching. There is always tons of paperwork and you have to document everything. But the joy you feel when a student tells you that you are the best teacher is priceless.

I could go on and on and I'm sure I did nothing to help you decide. My point is, there are good and bad parts to the job. This is my tenth year in the classroom and I have seen so many teachers leave, principals too because they couldn't handle the stress of the job anymore. Many (ignorant) people think teaching is a fluff job. I have a student teacher this year and the first thing she said to me after her first day was how she didn't realize how hard it would be. You deal with things on a daily basis that they never teach you in college.
 
i just want to suggest that before you make a decision you meet with an academic advisor at the college you would consider attending to determine what you would be looking at to meet your state's credentialing requirements-it could be a very heavy committment time and $$$ wise depending on what college units you already have.

dh already has his bachelors and decided he wanted to go into teaching-fortunatly his degree was fairly similar to one of the degrees that is acceptable for going into the credentialing program in our state but that did'nt mean he did'nt need to take several classes to fill in the blanks between his degree and the required one. top that off with pre-reqs to classes in the credentialing program and we were looking at about a full year of schooling BEFORE he could go into the formal credential program. he takes a full load each quarter which i could'nt imagine him being able to do if he was also working (which i assume you will continue to do if your dh will be attending school at the same time). if the units you have don't mesh with one of the degrees required to get a credential you could be looking at more than a couple of years before you could even get to the teaching coursework.

also find out if the college is currently or projected to accept students into the program you are interested in-with the cutbacks in education at the university level some programs have REALY scaled back on admissions. the program dh is in stopped accepting new students last january (so if you were'nt already officialy in it you have to wait until they open up more slots).

then look to the reality of what is required in the teaching program you would like to go into-the one dh is in won't permit candidates to be employed because of the demands (days are committed to student teaching, obseravation and specialized coursework/multiple evenings are devoted to core classes).
 
I was considering becoming a teacher myself but was advised against it as the job climate for teaching at that time was terrible here in MA (after Prop 2 1/2 first passed). Later things got better, but now they're worse again.

Same with nursing jobs. Over the years I've seen them wax and wane. Right now, as in years before, new graduates may be having some difficulty finding jobs.

It's cyclical for both, I'd say. Hopefully at some point, we'll be on an upward swing again. Job prospects are usually better once you become experienced.

With that said, I think the fact that we are in a major recession complicates the whole issue more than most of us have ever seen before. :crazy2:

One thing to think about as far as nursing goes is what is on the horizon for health care and hospitals as changes take place for reimbursement and such. We saw it 12 years ago or so (when many hospitals closed) and I believe we are about to see it again in the near future. But I wouldn't let it sway me away from becoming a nurse if that's what I really wanted to do (having been down that road myself before).
 
I'm not doubting that there are places where teaching jobs are next-to-impossible to obtain, but -- as I said -- it depends upon where you live.

I live in NJ too and while jobs are tight, there are jobs available every year. My district always has positions each summer, but we're urban and many people are not interested in that environment. I'd love a suburban job, but you don't find the turnover that you do in urban areas.
 
I do think the OP has too much going on in her life right now, and that's never a good time to make a decision. For a family that already has a child and a low paycheck, resources may not stretch far enough to allow TWO PARENTS to pursue job training at the same time.

OP, I'd suggest that you sit tight for now (yes, I know that stinks, but sometimes being a grown-up and being the mommy means doing things you don't like). Your husband has already started his training. Let him finish, then once he's working at a better pay rate, it'll be YOUR TURN. Use the time in between to do that job shadowing, and make up your mind what you want to do. This'll give you the time to KNOW that you're making the right decision, and you won't strain the family's limited resources.
Your description of teachers' working conditions is a little better than the reality -- most people would probably describe it in just this way. The truth is that we have very predictable hours (and that's one of the things I like best about the job), but we do fill those evenings, weekends, and even summers with more job-related tasks than you'd believe! I'm at school either in the evening or on a Saturday probably once every other week (club activities, sports events, etc.). Sometimes I go to school before 7:00 and stay 'til 9:00 or so -- for NO extra pay. The average business professional works 240 days per year; the average teacher works 200 days.

I said it in a previous post: No one should go into teaching because you think the hours will be shorter than those for other jobs. Your "main work hours" are shorter (though don't neglect that you'll go to work before the sun's up and never have a break all day), but you'll be at school an awful lot more than you expect, and you'll bring things home. The things you'll do after-hours are usually pretty flexible, but you'll be putting in the hours.

Close to home? I live a mile from my school, but my co-workers are varied. Some live nearby, others are more than an hour away. I like living in the district so that my children go to "my school"; other teachers purposefully choose to go farther from their own children. The plus to living closeby is obvious; the negative to living close-by is that you live in the same district as your students, so they serve your food at restaurants, they check out your groceries, they're at the Y when you go to workout. This is both good and bad.

While we're on the subject of work conditions, high school teachers share their space with over 100 people each day. Often we are required to rotate in and out of our classrooms at various times during the day. We have no space to lock up personal things (a few years ago we had an awful time with our lunches being stolen . . . 'til a certain custodian was fired). From the time our day begins to the end of the day, we have no privacy -- my classroom may be "mine", but it's really only mine in the sense that I have to clean it -- other people are ALWAYS in it.

Teachers never sit down. Well, maybe during their 26 minute lunch, though they're still supervising students during that time.

How does this stack up with nurses' working conditions? I have no idea. Well, a friend of mine who's a nurse had a sweet deal when her boys were small: She worked two 12-hour shifts on Saturday and Sunday and was paid for a full 40 hours/week, which allowed her to be home all week with her children. I think it was tough on her and her husband, but they agreed to do it for a couple years and were pleased with it. I suspect that an RN would have more work-hours options than a teacher; an RN could work in a doctor's office and have nice, predictable hours, or could work any shift at a hospital, or could work as an at-home nurse. In my own mind, I picture nurses -- good nurses with BS RN degrees and experience -- having flexible choices. Is this true? I don't know, but I do know what it's really like working in a school!
Yes, I think it is true, save for what I've said in previous posts. Right now jobs are quite tight where I work for everyone (all fields), but in nursing, it's primarly difficult for new graduate nurses (we only hire BSNs). Experienced BSNs might take longer to find a job, but if they hang in there, something usually comes up as other positions are vacated or people go out on leave, etc. They may have to take hours they don't like, or work on a unit that's not their dream place to work, etc, to get their foot in the door. This is only my experience, I'm sure it could be different elsewhere. I've noticed in similar discussions here, things seem to vary by region.

As for your commentary to my comments :cutie: I'd hoped that by saying "in general terms" people would understand there were many, many more layers to what I was saying. I think it's good to hear more specifics from teachers and nurses themselves; most people don't fully understand what it is we do all day.

With my two teacher friends, one of them I can see has a lot of extra work at home, pretty much year round even though she's off for the summer. The other one has very little. I'm not sure if it's a reflection of the jobs, their personalities, or a combination of the two. No question both of them are dedicated. (I've said it here before, twice I've traveled to WDW with one of these friends and she spent loads of time in the gift shops finding just the right trinkets for her students. :wizard: )

As for the Baylor program for nurses (working 24 hrs on the weekends but getting paid for 40), as far as I can tell that went away a long time ago, at least where I work. That was an incentive offered during a time when the nursing shortage was particularly acute. It was a good thing while it lasted, especially for working moms.

As for working conditions for a nurse, as I've said before, from what I can tell they're a lot like a teacher's. Speaking for myself, most of my shifts are pretty stressful and busy. Part of this is because of the frantic pace of admissions and discharges into and out of the hospital, as well as patients being very acutely ill when they are there. RNs are legally responsible for a huge amount of assessment, intervention, evaluation and documentation on their patients, as well as for seeing that everything that needs to get done, gets done. This can be quite challenging to do, even for an experienced nurse like myself. There is a very long list of things to do for each patient and you need to prioritize all of them, yet see them through regardless of how busy you are or whether you're working short staffed, etc, which is your legal responsibility.

Patients and families generally don't understand what it is we're doing when we're doing it. Additonally, nurses want to see that patients are comfortable and have their physical needs met. Working without an aide on a shift may not seem like that big of a deal, but it really is. Having an aide make a patient a cup of tea or helping someone to the bathroom allows the nurse to do the things that only an RN can do, such as making sure their medications are correct from what they were on at home and what they're on in the hospital; assessing their risk for skin breakdown or deep vein thrombosis formation while hospitalized and putting preventative measures into place; teaching them what they need to know about their illness and health maintenance and evaluating their understanding, etc (I could go on but you get my drift). Make no mistake, in an ideal world, I enjoy getting a patient a cup of tea and if I could, I'd make myself one, too, and sit down and have a lovely conversation with that patient - that's part of what I love about what I do. But in reality, there's not often a lot of time for that type of thing if I want to get everything else done that I have to do.

Nursing, like teaching, is stressful, but hopefully in a manageable and generally positive way. My definition of Burn Out is that which occurs when you feel you are continually overly stressed and unable to complete what it is you have to do, and your internal radar for professional contentment is shattered, LOL. I've experienced it in a previous job - I drove home crying every day and was to the point I was sleepwalking thinking I was at the hospital and trying to finish my work. That's why I tell people going into nursing to find a really good place to work, one where they treat you with respect and staff appropriately. Because nothing will burn you out faster than working short handed all the time.
 
You said you've glorified nursing, and I agree -- you're yearning for the moment when you catch the newborn baby; that's the OBGYN's job, even as an RN, you won't do that.
I just wanted to respond to this. I understood what the OP meant when she said that. I don't think it was literal. Naturally, it is the OB who, in most circumstances, delivers the baby. But it's the nurse who is with the mother in the many hours prior to that guiding her through the labor process, which in and of itself is qute rewarding. And of course, some nurses might further their training and become CNMs, so it could actually be a realistic dream for the OP even as a nurse. But I think she meant it more figuratively. (Correct me if I'm wrong, OP.)

I also wanted to mention one more thing about shadowing, in case there are others reading here who want to do it. I know there are nurses here who said it's possible in their hospitals. In mine, it's not. This is due to privacy, confidentiality, and today even things like infection control. I think most people would see why this would be the case - would you want someone unsanctioned in your delivery or hospital room? In my hospital, a person wishing to be allowed into any clinical area would have to go through the application process, including a background check, and at minimum, be hired as a volunteer. I know when I was a nursing student in Labor and Delivery, I had to actually go in to the patient and ask them if they would allow me to observe their experience. It's only right.
 
Teaching is not a great career choice in my area. It's incredibly difficult to find a full time postion. If you're able to move it's a bit easier, but there just are not jobs in the desirable areas to live.

I'm an RN and I've got a bit of burn out. I thought about teaching for about a millisecond but it's just not an option for me to move my family. I'm currently looking for a nursing job that's a better fit for me and I think it will make a world of difference. That's the great thing about a nursing degree - there are so many things you can do with it.
 
Nursing is the same, so I've heard. So no real difference there. It's all about "who you know" :(

Not really. There will always be jobs for RN's. they do cycle up and down as far as shortages etc, just at Pea said. but you will always be able to find a job, especially with experience and a BSN.

How can you believe working as a CNA in a nursing home equates to being an NICU nurse? Trust me they are vastly different experiences. I don't think you can lay the problems of your current job situation at the feet of the nursing profession?
exactly. two totally different experiences, you cannot even compare the two.
Yes, but there are similarities: working short staffed (which many professions can attest to, however most don't have the chance of killing someone as an effect), doctors, lazy partners, etc.

As a prospective nurse, I pay attention to things the nurse does that other CNA's don't care about so I have a clue of what the nursing world is like. I have seen my problems mentioned from acute care nurses and support staff as well. It's not at every hospital and every nursing home, but it's quite widespread.
not every facility works short staffed. The good hospitals very rare. It happens yes, but if it is a common occurance than I would re think the facility where you work.
Again, I will say working in long term care is completely different than working in acute care.






I just wanted to respond to this. I understood what the OP meant when she said that. I don't think it was literal. Naturally, it is the OB who, in most circumstances, delivers the baby. But it's the nurse who is with the mother in the many hours prior to that guiding her through the labor process, which in and of itself is qute rewarding. And of course, some nurses might further their training and become CNMs, so it could actually be a realistic dream for the OP even as a nurse. But I think she meant it more figuratively. (Correct me if I'm wrong, OP.)

I also wanted to mention one more thing about shadowing, in case there are others reading here who want to do it. I know there are nurses here who said it's possible in their hospitals. In mine, it's not. This is due to privacy, confidentiality, and today even things like infection control. I think most people would see why this would be the case - would you want someone unsanctioned in your delivery or hospital room? In my hospital, a person wishing to be allowed into any clinical area would have to go through the application process, including a background check, and at minimum, be hired as a volunteer. I know when I was a nursing student in Labor and Delivery, I had to actually go in to the patient and ask them if they would allow me to observe their experience. It's only right.

I don't work in acute care right now, but when I did this was the case at my hospital as well. and it is a city teaching hospital like Pea works at. You couldn't just call up a nurse and ask to shadow
same case as when i was a nursing student, the patient had to give permission to be observed by a student.

What I am gathering from your post is you are burned out from your current CNA position. You don't have proper staffing, or support from the facility.
I would suggest getting a cna job at a good hospital, somewhere you may want to work as an RN, it will give you a better idea of what the RN's role is and what they do on a given shift.
You can't compare working as a cna in long term care to working as an RN in any acute care unit let alone a nicu.
 
With my two teacher friends, one of them I can see has a lot of extra work at home, pretty much year round even though she's off for the summer. The other one has very little. I'm not sure if it's a reflection of the jobs, their personalities, or a combination of the two. No question both of them are dedicated.
I vote personality. In any job, you'll find people who react to the same stresses differently. Some people, for example, get loud and mad, and then go do what needs to be done. Others will not show it outwardly, but inside it'll hit them just as hard. I'd be willing to bet that they're both doing a great deal outside the classroom, even if one "shows it" more than the other.
As for the Baylor program for nurses (working 24 hrs on the weekends but getting paid for 40), as far as I can tell that went away a long time ago, at least where I work. That was an incentive offered during a time when the nursing shortage was particularly acute. It was a good thing while it lasted, especially for working moms.
Perhaps that's what my friend was in years ago. She has one son who's now a senior and another who's in college, so the story I was telling wasn't from just yesterday! As you said, that's why it's good for the OP to hear things from teachers and nurses: I would've had no idea that this wasn't still available.
orld, I enjoy getting a patient a cup of tea and if I could, I'd make myself one, too, and sit down and have a lovely conversation with that patient - that's part of what I love about what I do. But in reality, there's not often a lot of time for that type of thing if I want to get everything else done that I have to do.
But a person who is romanticizing the job, that may be exactly what he or she imagines doing all day long!

To give a teaching-equivalent, we live near a major university, and we have teaching students drop in to observe us rather often. I think it's a good thing that they're required to observe X number of hours in many of their first education classes; things look quite different from the other side of the desk, and the more exposure teaching students get early in their college careers, the sooner they know whether this is right for them or not. Anyway, I hear LOADS of unrealistic ideas from some of our students: "I only want to teach Honors Sophomores." or "I don't want to teach any students who don't speak English well." or "I know we're supposed to be able to teach all this stuff, but I don't really like grammar and writing -- I'm just going to teach Shakespeare all the time!" Fortunately, these comments tend to come from the sophomore teaching students; the ones who have observed more, who have been through more classes, and the ones who are about ready to student teach KNOW BETTER!

Realistically, a first-year teacher won't get her own classroom. She's happy to teach whatever's handed to her, and she hopes to be assigned to the classes she really likes the next year; if that takes a couple years, that's okay -- she'll eventually get a couple classes of Honors Sophomores.
 
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How does this stack up with nurses' working conditions? Depends on where you work. I have no idea. Well, a friend of mine who's a nurse had a sweet deal when her boys were small: She worked two 12-hour shifts on Saturday and Sunday and was paid for a full 40 hours/week, which allowed her to be home all week with her children. This is usually a pretty good monetary deal because of what you are giving up...every weekend with your children and spouse. I think it was tough on her and her husband, but they agreed to do it for a couple years and were pleased with it. I suspect that an RN would have more work-hours options than a teacher; More choices of shifts, but some of the shifts aren't all that hot. an RN could work in a doctor's office and have nice, predictable hours,and a lot less pay or could work any shift at a hospital, true or could work as an at-home nurse with its own inherent difficulties . In my own mind, I picture nurses -- good nurses with BS RN degrees and experience -- having flexible choices. BS degrees aren't all that impressive anymore in nursing. A BSN is almost and entry-level requirement and with it, you are a basic clinical person, not really anything special. Is this true? I don't know, but I do know what it's really like working in a school!
 
I've been teaching for 17 years (though I"m high school), and I assure you that this is a very realistic post. I do like my job, and there's no other job that I want; I intend to continue teaching 'til I hit 30 years. BUT it's far from perfect, and even though the OP says she understands that there's no ideal job, I don't think she really believes that deep down. I think she's chasing a dream rather than a job.

My rather random thoughts on teaching:

Do not glamorize teaching the way you've glamorized nursing. Do not go into this job because you imagine Lifetime movie moments in which you -- by sheer force of will and love -- take a classroom of inner-city youths and turn them from a group of behind-grade-level misfits into straight-A students motivated to learn. Yes, it's wonderful to see a lightbulb come on in a student's head, and over the years you'll have a few students for whom you'll know that you were really and truly THE PERSON who was there at the right time to change a life . . . but you'll never have a classroom full of them. A few kids will love you, the majority will be moderately attached to you, and a decent number will hate you before they even know your name.

It has become much harder as the years have gone by. Many parents have abdicated responsibility to the schools, and teachers are responsible for many things that are essentially beyond our control. If students don't attend school, don't do any reading outside school, rarely do homework, WE are still blamed for their failing grades. We're constantly filling out paperwork for special ed, 504s, ESL -- it's a real burden, and it eats into our limited planning time, which should be spent on what should be our real focus: providing an excellent lesson each and every day.

The first three years of teaching are very, very hard. At that point you're still learning how to present various lessons to the best of your ability, and you have to create so many worksheets, tests, etc. After about three years, things get easier (or you leave). Oh, you'll always find yourself adding new things: You'll find a new novel and will want to write up a great unit with good activities. You'll decide that you want to replace that ho-hum science experiment with something more exciting. You'll want to incorporate new technology into your lessons. And you'll find that your lessons IMPROVE every year. Your first year you'll launch into a vocabulary lesson that'll fall flat, but you'll figure out a better way, and you'll handle that unit more effectively next year. And after a couple years you'll find that you have a few "restful lessons" in your cabinets; a few lessons that you have PERFECTED and you can teach without effort or preparation -- and you'll learn to bring those out at just the right time in the year (for example, I just collected research papers, and I have to put in some serious time grading for the next two weeks (research papers take me about 40 hours of grading, all after-school over the course of two weeks). To keep myself from being overwhelmed, every year at research-paper grading time I pull out the same play, something I've done every year for the last 17 years x 6 classes per year; I can teach this without any effort, thus allowing me to grade those papers at home -- but in your first couple years of teaching, you don't have that "restful lesson" ready yet. You will NEVER reach the point that EVERYTHING is that nice, easy "restful lesson". You'll ALWAYS be adding to and changing your lesson plan cabinet.

You bring home work every night. Every night. Every night. You will ALWAYS have something to grade, something to prepare for tomorrow's lesson, some phone calls and paperwork that must be made right now. Though you will be able to leave school mid-afternoon, this will cut into what you're probably thinking will be family time. Sure, most professionals bring work home, but not EVERY NIGHT. In addition to managing your own classroom needs, you will be required to sell football tickets, chaperone dances and fall festivals, sponsor a club, etc.

You will spend more time on discipline than you expect. How do you feel about telling 17 year old boys to pull their pants up above their butts? Catching students smoking? Taking a cell phone from a girl who's texting during a test? What about when she swears she was just answering her mom's text? Writing up a student whom you really like? Even at the elementary level, you will deal with these situations. Not sometimes, but daily.

Quite a few parents will expect that you will stay after school AT THEIR WHIM for meetings. They'll call you and say that they want to meet with you at 5:30 on their way home from work -- doesn't matter that you are required to be at school at 6:45 and you're dismissed at 2:15. They want to meet at 5:30! Oh, and here's what they want to talk about in that meeting: You need to start tutoring Johnny after school twice a week; an hour each day will do. (No, he can't come on Mondays, which is your established anyone-can-come-in-for-help day; that's his karate lesson day.) In short, people expect you to be available all the time and expect you to bend over backwards to provide more, more, more for their children.

You will spend a great deal of money on classroom supplies.

As a teacher, you spend most of your day without adult contact. YOU are in charge all the time, no partner, no co-worker. There'll be a time when you don't know what to do, and you'll have to make up the answer on the spot. Later you can ask the experienced teacher across the hall how she would've handled it, but at that moment YOU have to make the call. Of course, after a few years, YOU ARE the experienced teacher across the hall, and this stops being such a problem.


Business thoughts:

The paycheck is small. No two ways around it! I live in a low-paying state, and I could definitely make more money in another job.

Being a teacher has saved me money in a number of ways: After my kids started school, I didn't need before-school care, though I did need after-school care. Being home a few hours earlier in the afternoon allows me to do a number of things to stretch my dollars, the same kind of things I'd do if I were a SAHM (cooking from scratch, canning, washing my own car, etc.)

When my children were small, being a teacher cost me money: I had to pay daycare in the summer (or lose my spot). Because elementary school lets out earlier than high school, I had to pay after-school care AT FULL PRICE even though my kids only stayed there 30 minutes each afternoon.

When they were very small, my kids had some trouble with the transition from school to summer, and then summer to school. They'd always have a week or two in which they were a bit befuddled by being made to get up early, missing their friends or the sandbox at day care, etc. By the time they started school, they understood the concept, but it wasn't fun during pre-school years.

We are one of the few professions that still has a traditional pension. I think most states are fairly similar in this: You put in 30 years of teaching, and you get a pension (and basic, basic healthcare) for the rest of your life. 30 years is a long, long time; most teachers do not stay a full 30 years.

Whereas nursing is a job that you can get anywhere, a state teaching pension ties you to your state. Oh, it's easy enough for a fully-licensed teacher to get a teaching license in another state, but if you move you'll start all over on your pension. My husband has had some good job offers in other states, but each time we've compared the extra salary he'd earn to the retirement benefits I'd lose, and each time we've chosen to stay in NC.

Do you care about moving up the ladder? Teachers don't really have much of a ladder. The first year teacher and the 20th year teacher are pretty much expected to do the same things. Unless you want to move into administration, you will not get perks that come with other jobs: new titles, nicer office, etc. I personally am not motivated in this way, but I have seen other teachers who've craved those rewards, and this is not a profession that'll provide them.

Teaching is very time-regimented. Your day (and your year) is very predictable. We have our calendars 3 years in advance, and it's super-easy to plan vacations far in advance; however, it's very difficult to be out of your classroom. Writing sub plans is a tremendous amount of work (so much work that most of us will come in sick rather than do it).

Yes, you could do a Disney vacation in the fall or spring by choosing a short week (i.e., Thanksgiving week, when we only go to school 2 days anyway, or a week when we have two teacher workdays), BUT it wouldn't be easy. First, we really only get workdays when report cards are due, and if you're going to take off, that means you have to get your grades into the computer and turned in BEFORE that day. So taking off a teacher workday means bringing home even more work in the week before your vacation. And there are mandatory workshops on teacher workdays.

Yes, you'll have predictable vacations throughout the year, but keep in mind that teachers are required to work some days when students are out. In short, do not go into teaching thinking that it's going to be sort of a 2/3 time job -- it is full-time and more. Over the years I've seen LOTS of people leave teaching after they realized that it isn't the flexible, take off plenty of time with my kids, easy little job that they thought it was.

FANTASTIC post. Hit the nail right on the head.

Of course there are some differences in my state/district:

1) Our retirement is based upon the rule of 80 - years taught + age must = 80

2) Our district can't get their crap together on their reading program so reading teachers are scrambling every year when the district level people change the curriculum materials that we are expected to use. (Novels? Basal? You won't know until 2 days before school starts. Never mind the 2.5 months you were just off when you could have been planning...) And THAT is why I am in grad school. I love teaching, I love teaching reading, but I can't take any more curriculum crap from above...
 
OP, why are those your only choices?

Sometimes we think we want to do something because of seeing a little snapshot of what goes on in the life of xxx.

I get the feeling you want to be a teacher because it gives you more time with your daughter. That is not a reason to become a teacher. If you don't love working with kids (of whatever age) and love teaching others, all the time in the world isn't going to make you happy.

Pick up a college catalog and look at the different programs or majors they offer and then search on the internet for information about those careers. You may find something you are just as interested in. You may actually find something that combines your interest. You would also want to check out the government Occupational Outlook Handbook and it would give you an idea of the job market outlook of that particular career.

For instance, we have an Occupational Therapy Program. Many of our graduates work in the school systems. Its a medical profession but they get the benefit of the same holidays as the teachers.

Or maybe you would be more interested in working in administration of a school system. Every superintendent or other school official has secretaries, most school systems have accountants that work either in the office or in the school, they also have people that are over the food service over the schools and there are also counselors. There are other options that would not be in the classroom but still in the school system.
 
I ahve to agree with what many oft he previosu posters ahve mentioned about the climate of the teaching job market. Yes many colleges and news reports overploay the "teacher shortage", when in reality it was over for many areas years ago! I have my masters degree in teaching and am certified to teach K-8, and have had one heck of a time finding a position. I started out being certified in Washington state but very few places were actually hiring. I'd get the rejection letters (with no interviews) stating that there were a couple hundred applicants for the 1 open position.

We moved ot Michigan for DHs job and that's another state that's not hiring. I was told by a couple of districts at a job fair that the likihood of my being hired as on out of state candidate (even though I was living there, but hadn't gone through their programs) was very low. For the first two years that I was certified to teach I interviewed/applied for positions all over Wa, Idaho, Fl, NC, SC, Ga, etc and nothing. A few interviews here and there, but no job offers. Plus you attend job fairs that are just swamped.

I did finally land a teaching position (in Maryland) teaching in Special Education, but it;s not what i set out to teach. I minored in SpEd, more of a back up than anything else. With SpEd you have a higher burn out rate and more stress IMO. With teaching you do have a fair amount of take home work, weekend work, conferences, meetings, etc. Plus depending on the school or district you may or may not have a very supportive infrastructure for new or seasoned teachers.

The hours are nice, but budget cuts aren't. Right now our district was not given raises this year and is now facing having to take a 2 week paycut sometime this school year, nice huh? Something to keep in mind is the pressure put on teachers for meeting the state testing requirements for AYP. I ahve heard that some counties are considering publishing their teachers class scores good and bad for all to see. Same with your pay, whether it is fair or not it's a way that some are considering.

If you are seriously interested in teaching talk to teachers of all grade levels, new and seasoned, about what they like, dislike, and the expectations put on them. Also be prepared to relocate depending on where you live due to a lack of positions. Also consider certification in high needs areas like math, science, special education.... as it might help you obtain a job. Lastly, consider how well you'll respond working with a class of 30 + kids and no aid. Our class sizes are at the 30+ mark, so very crowded. Plus you'll most likely have a few special needs kids in your class that you need to plan modifications for. Just thinka botu how you'll handle the class and all elements within as it isn't always as you envision from shadowing, studnet teahcing, and college courses.
 
Hi, I'm the OP.

I just wanted to thank you all for the extremely informative responses.

To clear a few things up...I work two 16 hour shifts on Saturdays and Sundays. Then I pick up four 8 hour shifts throughout the week. Sometime I lose sight of my goal of working with a different kind of population (pregnant women and babies vs. geriatrics) that I dread going into work because I know what kind of stuff I'm about to go through. Unfortunately it's not realistic for me to change jobs and do something for minimum wage. I am, however, trying to change my outlook and take everything day by day. I expect every possible bad thing to happen so that I'm prepared for it when I should just deal with it as it happens instead. I am very glad that I became a CNA/CMA first because it is really preparing me to work with people in general.

We do have a formal nurse shadowing program at a great hospital maybe 2 minutes from my house.

Now that I've cleared my head a bit, I am planning on taking classes to become an Advanced Unlicensed Assistant, which will allow me to do some advanced skills such as catheters, remove sutures, urine testing, EKG monitoring, telemetry monitoring, wound care, etc. Once I obtain this certification, I will work in a hospital which will allow me to get my foot in the door for a nursing position when the day comes. I will keep my weekend CMA job, while doing AUA PT throughout the week so that I'm not doing the same thing day after day.
 












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