Television Spring 2009

May sweeps has begun, and actually the season finales for some shows are this coming week...

Monday, April 27

(Season Finale) Chuck (NBC)
(Season Finale) Heroes (NBC)

Wednesday, April 29

(Season Finale) Better Off Ted (ABC)

Thursday, April 30

(3rd Season Resumes) Ugly Betty
(Season Finale) Private Practice

Next week... Season finales for Scrubs (might be series finale... certainly Zach Braff's last episode), Everybody Hates Chris, and Dollhouse.

I'm going to start a Summer thread this morning, since the networks are beginning to announce their summer schedules.... link: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=31515996
 
Ugh, Scrubs series finale? I know a few who won't be glad to see that.
 
...But more critically, there are more of "them" -- and so mass-market suppliers, like television networks, have to listen to "them" more than to you. It sucks -- it sucks big-time. I know. However, I don't see much alternative for the networks. For them to operate any differently would be irresponsible, at this point.

The long hiatuses between series on cable is a direct reflection of costs versus benefits. What I think is really necessary is a scuttling of the cost structure.

What is necessary for the creatives to *survive* is for them to be able to get a living wage. The salary compression from the A/B/C list down into the ranks of the middle-class actors has been devastating...the 'names' take the jobs that character-actors used to take and BY THE WAY that is not for the big 'Hollywood' salaries....it's for scale or even sometimes scale minus the agency %...yeah, yeah I KNOW the agencies aren't supposed to do it but everyone knows that they DO.

All this stuff you see, these days, with the fighting between the unions and the production companies, and between the unions, and within the unions, is all a reflection of railing against this logical progression.

All the "fights" have hopefully been settled, even SAG's theatrical contract that expired last YEAR *and* the joint AFTRA/SAG commercials contract...*if* the membership approves them. The National Boards certainly did.

Television shows simply need to be less expensive to produce. The networks need to be able to get 39 episodes for what they're currently paying for 24 episodes;

Really? They NEED to get 39 for what they now pay for 24?!? :lmao: I hope not. The problem as I see it is that the viewing audience simply isn't there any more. If one looks at the actual numbers, they are way down - we can thank the computer revolution/gaming systems/media systems for that loss in the real audience. For instance, the numbers of households (and the actual people) viewing the series finale of M*A*S*H versus the actual numbers watching today aren't even in the same universe.

they need to be able to order six episodes at a time, so that they aren't paying for seven or more episodes that the public is simply not interested in watching. And each six episode order should be closed-end... the leaving of threads hanging is the fault of the producers and writers, not the networks necessarily. If the production companies would write closed-end six episode blocks, then we viewers would have closure much more often.

If such structural changes happen, then some of your concerns in this regard may end up being addressed.

However, there is another issue here: The fact is that short (six to eight episode) series, with no intention for renewal, tend to be of substantially higher quality than series that are intended to last for a long period of time. The UK, especially, has recognized the value of the short-run series. The problem in the US, though, is as I alluded to above: Cost. The cost of ramping up for a series, due to the expectation for feature-film-quality production values for pilots, is too high. What is needed is for viewers to reduce their expectations for eye candy,

Why? Does 'eye-candy' cost more than 'ugly'? I guess I'm not sure what you're referring to when you use this particular phrase.

and in return we may be able to expect to see higher quality in terms of entertainment value. Note that there is comparatively no ramp-up cost for writing, for direction, or for acting. That ramp-up cost is all associated with art direction, special effects design, set design, costume design, and especially licensing and producer credits. Substantially reduce those costs and networks will be able to afford more of those high-quality short-run series. Again, it works in the UK.

I think the UK TV business-model is not viable in present US TV(broadcast & cable), the UK has a much more extensive government-subsidised network system, it's basically PBS on steroids. (Extensive government financial support of the arts is another post entirely.) The production end of the business is almost as slow to adapt as the performers but the money men BUILT the cable TV business on the backs of actors and now want to hold on to an out-dated revenue-sharing model.

The numbers of productions being shot in LA this year/season is WAY down, some of that is due to the SAG/AMPTP troubles, but some of that is due to the glut of so-called 'reality' shows (and really, folks they are scripted, if not beforehand then they get scripted in the editing suite).

agnes!
 
What is necessary for the creatives to *survive* is for them to be able to get a living wage. The salary compression from the A/B/C list down into the ranks of the middle-class actors has been devastating...the 'names' take the jobs that character-actors used to take
That clearly shows an industry that has way too many people trying to get jobs within it. This happened, to a smaller extent, in the IT industry, about ten years ago. The answer was for a lot of folks to leave the industry, restoring balance between supply of labor and demand for labor. This happened, in a big way, in my father's industry, typesetting, starting in the mid-1970s. My father, today, subcontracts to a company, part time (though I'm not sure how many hours he works -- probably more than 30 per week), and accomplishes as much work as he and the fourty people working for him in the early 1970s accomplished together. That's a 97.5% compression of the demand for labor. And it continues today; his wife and her daughter, both in the industry, both lost their jobs this past month.

All the "fights" have hopefully been settled
I think many folks in SAG are looking forward to 2011, to carry-on the fighting -- hoping that economic conditions and other factors combine to give them more bargaining power than supply and demand does, today.

Really? They NEED to get 39 for what they now pay for 24?!? :lmao: I hope not.
Please understand the context of that statement you replied to. There are many people who are unhappy with the fact that their favorite series broadcast only 24 episodes per year, and wax poetically about the late 1960s, when it wasn't that uncommon for some series to offer 39 episodes per year. They point I was making is that the difference in revenue to be made between broadcasting 24 episodes per year, and then running reruns over the summer, and broadcasting 39 episodes per year, is not that big of a difference -- there isn't really more money to be made, by doing so -- so in order to get 39 episodes per year, as those folks want, the networks would have to be able to obtain that programming for little more than what they're currently paying for 24 episodes.

The problem as I see it is that the viewing audience simply isn't there any more.
Well, kind-of, but also kind-of not: The people are still there -- it is just that there are so many more options for those people to amuse themselves with beyond broadcast television: More and more cable networks are offering more and more programming, including, in just the last several years or so, original programming; premium cable networks, also big with original programming these days; DVD and BDs, not only for movies but for original series programming as well (that's most of our Netflix consumption); Internet, including web surfing, online communities, and now even television programming via Hulu, Amazon Unbox, Netflix, BB Online, etc.; (as you mentioned) video games; and so on.

If one looks at the actual numbers, they are way down - we can thank the computer revolution/gaming systems/media systems for that loss in the real audience. For instance, the numbers of households (and the actual people) viewing the series finale of M*A*S*H versus the actual numbers watching today aren't even in the same universe.
And so it is unreasonable to expect quality television programming to be as plentiful as it was back then -- yet the reality is that this period, 1981 through 2011 -- from the premiere of Hill Street Blues clear through to the finale of Lost, 24, and likely NCIS, CSI, House, etc. -- is the real "Golden Age of Television", with consistently great television available for free, beating any other period in history, by a mile, AFAIC. And yes, I do believe that it will end in 2011. I think this coming year begins the end, with Jay Leno taking over the M-F 10PM-11PM slot, on NBC.

Why? Does 'eye-candy' cost more than 'ugly'?
In that context, absolutely. The stunning visuals and high production values we see on shows like Lost and The Unit (for example) are far far far more expensive to produce than the video presentation provided by lower-budget shows like Doctor Who, Primeval, and Hotel Babylon.

I think the UK TV business-model is not viable in present US TV(broadcast & cable), the UK has a much more extensive government-subsidised network system, it's basically PBS on steroids.
That's just another method for the money to get from the viewers' wallets into the costs of production. It is a more efficient model, even though it involves the government: Taxpayer to government to broadcaster to production company. Here in the United States it goes from commercial-watcher, to retailer, to wholesaler, to manufacturer, to advertising agency, to broadcaster, to production company.

I don't disagree that, as things are now, the UK model, in total, isn't viable here. My point was with respect to the aspect of the UK model I specifically referred to, i.e., short-run series, with lower production budgets. These are things that aren't specifically inappropriate for the US market.

The production end of the business is almost as slow to adapt as the performers
Which is why I said that thing "needed" to change.

but the money men BUILT the cable TV business on the backs of actors and now want to hold on to an out-dated revenue-sharing model.
And as long as there are "too many" actors, that's not only going to be the way things are, but it is the way things should be, too.

The numbers of productions being shot in LA this year/season is WAY down, some of that is due to the SAG/AMPTP troubles, but some of that is due to the glut of so-called 'reality' shows (and really, folks they are scripted, if not beforehand then they get scripted in the editing suite).
With respect, not quite. If I remember correctly, there is actually one or two fewer un-scripted programs being presented this summer than last summer. The main reason why the number of productions being shot in LA is way down is because so many programs are now being produced elsewhere, where costs are lower, including in Canada (Flashpoint, The Listener), UK (The Philanthropist), Columbia (Mental), etc.

As it is, there was an interesting article published this week, which is related to these issues we're discussing...

The Business of Television
How Network TV Will Reinvent Itself
Because of growing competition and dwindling TV ad dollars, the big networks will be forced to make major changes, and fast
By Ronald Grover and Tom Lowry , Business Week
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily...+2009_special+report+--+the+future+of+tv+2009
 

Tuesday, May 5

Season Finale - Better off Ted (ABC)

Wednesday, May 6

Season, possibly Series, Finale - Scrubs (ABC)

Friday, May 8

Season Finale - Everybody Hates Chris (CW)
Season Finale - Dollhouse (Fox)


Next week: Season finales of Amazing Race, Apprentice, Cold Case*, The Unit*, Brothers and Sisters, Big Bang Theory, House, Castle*, Biggest Loser, Fringe, America's Next Top Model, Lie to Me, Lost, Bones, My Name is Earl, Smallville, Parks and Recreation, CSI, Grey's Anatomy, Hell's Kitchen, The Office, Supernatural, 30 Rock, CSI: NY, America's Funniest Home Videos, The Game, Ghost Whisperer, Prison Break*, Flashpoint, Numb3rs.
* indicates likely to be Series finale.
 
The season finales dominate this week and the beginning of next week.

Sunday, May 10
Season Finales for Amazing Race, Apprentice, Cold Case, The Unit, Brothers & Sisters

Monday, May 11
Season Finales for Big Bang Theory, House, Castle

Tuesday, May 12
Season Finale for Fringe

Wednesday, May 13
Season Finales for Lie to Me, Lost

Thursday, May 14
Season Finales for Bones, My Name is Earl, Smallville, Parks & Recreation, CSI, Grey's Anatomy, Hell's Kitchen, The Office, Supernatural, 30 Rock, CSI:NY

Friday, May 15
Season Finales for The Game, Ghost Whisperer, Prison Break, Flashpoint, Numb3rs

Next week, finales for Simpsons, Survivor, King of the Hill, Desperate Housewives, Family Guy, American Dad, 24, Gossip Girl, How I Met Your Mother, One Tree Hill, Two and a Half men, Rules of Engagement, CSI: Miami, NCIS, 90210, DwtS, Mentalist, Without a Trace, American Idol, Old Christine, Gary Unmarried, Criminal Minds, Ugly Betty, Southland, Legend of the Seeker.
 
The Spring season ends mid-week...

Sunday, May 17
Season Finales for The Simpsons, Survivor, King of the Hill (series finale), Desperate Housewives, Family Guy, American Dad

Monday, May 18
Season Finales for '24', Gossip Girl, Rules of Engagement, How I Met Your Mother, Two and a Half Men, One Tree Hill, CSI: Miami

Tuesday, May 19
Season Finales for NCIS, 90210, DwtS, The Mentalist, Without a Trace
Also: Preview of Glee

Wednesday, May 20
Season Finales for American Idol, Old Christine, Gary Unmarried, Criminal Minds,

Thursday, May 21
Season Finales for Ugly Betty, Southland

Saturday, May 22
Season Finale for Legend of the Seeker

Tuesday, May 26
Season Finale for Reaper

Sunday, May 31
Season Finale for Breaking Bad

Monday, June 1
Season Finales for Medium, Greek

Tuesday, June 2
Season Finales for According to Jim, L&O: SVU

Wednesday, June 3
Season Finale for L&O


End of Spring 2009 Television Season :happytv:
 

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