Tax return is nearly $3000 LESS because I worked part-time last year!

I challenge everyone to play with their tax forms this year.

Heres the challenge

1. w2 income is now 150k or (75k per working adult in house)
2. you still have same number of kids
3. all the rest of deductions are the same

Warning this chanlleng may open your eyes or make you sick or both
 
I was from a single parent household where my mom worked two jobs so she didn't have to get financial assistance. Sometimes she would take us to work with her, sometimes a neighbor would watch us and sometimes we stayed home alone. We were over 10. I realize you can't do that until a certain age. I would agree single parent households do make it a bit difficult since there is not another parent to stay home with the small child.

It also can not work well in a home like ours when my dh can be called out any time day or night...and when they call he HAS to go there is no saying I dont have anyone to sit with my kids.I stay home,we budget,we dont build up alot of debt and we live well...it would cost me a arm and a leg to put my kids in daycare or drive back and forth to work from where we live and my dh job has to come first.He serves the public and he made a commitment to that line of work.Like I said before we do not get EIC but I know many other cops that maybe do, some places around here start their LEO under 30,000 which is shamefull but they do.But they work their butts off,they earn every penny.
 
I challenge everyone to play with their tax forms this year.

Heres the challenge

1. w2 income is now 150k or (75k per working adult in house)
2. you still have same number of kids
3. all the rest of deductions are the same

Warning this chanlleng may open your eyes or make you sick or both

Actually that income would double our current income and make me very very happy.
 
I challenge everyone to play with their tax forms this year.

Heres the challenge

1. w2 income is now 150k or (75k per working adult in house)
2. you still have same number of kids
3. all the rest of deductions are the same

Warning this chanlleng may open your eyes or make you sick or both

Confused???:confused3

Please explain.
 

I challenge everyone to play with their tax forms this year.

Heres the challenge

1. w2 income is now 150k or (75k per working adult in house)
2. you still have same number of kids
3. all the rest of deductions are the same

Warning this chanlleng may open your eyes or make you sick or both
Based on my current income:
Tax owed is 8.99% of gross.
Tax owed is 13.7% of adjusted.

Changing income to $150K
Tax owed is 14% of gross
Tax owed is 18% of adjusted

So I would owe approximately an extra 5%... considering to get to $150K would be an EXTREMELY more than 5% raise, I don't see the problem.:confused3
 
Based on my current income:
Tax owed is 8.99% of gross.
Tax owed is 13.7% of adjusted.

Changing income to $150K
Tax owed is 14% of gross
Tax owed is 18% of adjusted

So I would owe approximately an extra 5%... considering to get to $150K would be an EXTREMELY more than 5% raise, I don't see the problem.:confused3

I guess that's why I'm confused. I just don't understand the point that is being made here.
 
It also can not work well in a home like ours when my dh can be called out any time day or night...and when they call he HAS to go there is no saying I dont have anyone to sit with my kids.I stay home,we budget,we dont build up alot of debt and we live well...it would cost me a arm and a leg to put my kids in daycare or drive back and forth to work from where we live and my dh job has to come first.He serves the public and he made a commitment to that line of work.Like I said before we do not get EIC but I know many other cops that maybe do, some places around here start their LEO under 30,000 which is shamefull but they do.But they work their butts off,they earn every penny.

I'm not exactly sure what your DH does but he chose that occupation; correct? Do I think some occupations are underpaid? ABSOLUTELY? The thing that gets me is the entertainers (actors/singers/sports) get paid so much money for entertaining while those saving our lives are so underpaid. That I don't get. I do have many of my family in public service. They all chose those professions and knew what they were getting into.
 
I'm not exactly sure what your DH does but he chose that occupation; correct? Do I think some occupations are underpaid? ABSOLUTELY? The thing that gets me is the entertainers (actors/singers/sports) get paid so much money for entertaining while those saving our lives are so underpaid. That I don't get. I do have many of my family in public service. They all chose those professions and knew what they were getting into.
I agree with you more and more ccgirl.:thumbsup2 But I think the answer to your questions are...
1) I'd personally rather work in a job that pays less but that I enjoy than a higher paying job that I dislike.
2) re: pro athletes... it's because people are willing to pay to go see them play. If people didn't want to watch them play, the owners couldn't make money and then couldn't pay the millions. I agree I don't get it, but it is what it is.
 
wow you sound pretty vile! If you hate what this country does and how most are living off you then...MOVE ..take your tax dollars somewhere else!We do not get EIC but we almost could,my dh is a LEO and IS nowhere near a drain on this country!Do you relize most LEO,firefighters,teachers and service men and women get this credit?How dare you sit behind a computer screen and talk about how these people are a DRAIN on this country...the the heck would you do if you were hurt,sick or in need of a cop and they were not there?I am sure some milk the gov. and are lazy but alot of people that get that credit WORK! How can you lay safe in bed at night while talking about the men and women that protect your freedom?Do you know how little some of them make?

Now the pay for different specific jobs is a different issue entirely. I was really surprised to learn how little EMTs make. They are massively underpaid in my opinion (at least around her I don't don't about other areas). I'm not sure about all the other jobs listed but I do definitely agree that there are some professions that should not be qualifying for this becuase I think a full time firefighter or EMT should be paid at least 45K a year so in most cases wouldn't qualify.
 
I'm not exactly sure what your DH does but he chose that occupation; correct? Do I think some occupations are underpaid? ABSOLUTELY? The thing that gets me is the entertainers (actors/singers/sports) get paid so much money for entertaining while those saving our lives are so underpaid. That I don't get. I do have many of my family in public service. They all chose those professions and knew what they were getting into.

my dh is a LEO and yes they all choose to do that job....low pay and all.I am glad that people choose to be teachers,firefighters,cops ect..I cant imagine a country where we did not have people choose to do those things.Its amazing the excuses the country gives for underpaying these people THEN calling them a DRAIN on the country if they happen to get the EIC.We are lucky my dh has been in it long enough to make a tiny bit more but thats after many years...
 
Based on my current income:
Tax owed is 8.99% of gross.
Tax owed is 13.7% of adjusted.

Changing income to $150K
Tax owed is 14% of gross
Tax owed is 18% of adjusted

So I would owe approximately an extra 5%... considering to get to $150K would be an EXTREMELY more than 5% raise, I don't see the problem.:confused3


Why should the person making more have to pay more? Where is the incentive to get ahead?
 
Wait a minute, I thought minimum wage was raised to a "living wage", how did that work out?? Oh it didn't, it just hurt the economy by raising costs on everything..

When did that happen? Two full time minimum wage jobs add up to just a few hundred dollars (pre-tax) more than the federal poverty level. I can't imagine anyone would consider that a living wage.
 
Now the pay for different specific jobs is a different issue entirely. I was really surprised to learn how little EMTs make. They are massively underpaid in my opinion (at least around her I don't don't about other areas). I'm not sure about all the other jobs listed but I do definitely agree that there are some professions that should not be qualifying for this becuase I think a full time firefighter or EMT should be paid at least 45K a year so in most cases wouldn't qualify.

I am sorry but in alot of places they do not (i agree they should not make less then 50,000)..these are the starting pays for my county and counties in the area...39,000 30,000 25,000 24,000 OH YEH this is what they are paying some LEO in florida!! Its awful yet men and women still sign up for the job and these are not people that did not go to college these are smart people.In most places you are also made to live in the county where you work even if the cost of living does not match the pay.
 
Why should the person making more have to pay more? Where is the incentive to get ahead?
I could say "that's the way it is", but do a google search for "reasons for a progressive tax". There's lots of info out there.

Also, I think there is STILL incentive to get ahead. I got a 40% raise last year. As a result, I'm now paying 9% in taxes instead of the 4% I paid the year before. Guess what... I'm still making more money. If I got the raise to get to $150K as a PP suggested, yes, I'd be paying more (even a higher percentage) in taxes, but I'm STILL getting more money. Why is there NOT an incentive to make more?
 
I could say "that's the way it is", but do a google search for "reasons for a progressive tax". There's lots of info out there.

Also, I think there is STILL incentive to get ahead. I got a 40% raise last year. As a result, I'm now paying 9% in taxes instead of the 4% I paid the year before. Guess what... I'm still making more money. If I got the raise to get to $150K as a PP suggested, yes, I'd be paying more (even a higher percentage) in taxes, but I'm STILL getting more money. Why is there NOT an incentive to make more?

You get to a point where the incentive goes away. You obviously are not there yet. We are not rich by any means partly because of where we live. But we get no tax breaks either. I don't have an issue with what we pay now but I can't stand hearing people scream that we should pay more when there is so much waste and abuse now.
 
I am sorry but in alot of places they do not (i agree they should not make less then 50,000)..these are the starting pays for my county and counties in the area...39,000 30,000 25,000 24,000 OH YEH this is what they are paying some LEO in florida!! Its awful yet men and women still sign up for the job and these are not people that did not go to college these are smart people.In most places you are also made to live in the county where you work even if the cost of living does not match the pay.
I'm sorry..what is a LEO? I believe that poster was saying they should be paid 45K not they were paid that.

I could say "that's the way it is", but do a google search for "reasons for a progressive tax". There's lots of info out there.

Also, I think there is STILL incentive to get ahead. I got a 40% raise last year. As a result, I'm now paying 9% in taxes instead of the 4% I paid the year before. Guess what... I'm still making more money. If I got the raise to get to $150K as a PP suggested, yes, I'd be paying more (even a higher percentage) in taxes, but I'm STILL getting more money. Why is there NOT an incentive to make more?

This is the point I am trying to make as well. If you stay home and don't work you ahve $0 if you work and make $6K but the gov't "takes" $3K you still have $3K more than you did before. As you make more money, yes the gov't takes more money but you still have more money! I guess it's the glass 1/2 full or 1/2 empty thing. I choose to live my life with the glass 1/2 full!
 
Your dh can write off business expenses as the owner. Don't you also have a home you rent out?

I know he can write off business expenses, but that doesn't change the fact that we pay a full 15.3% self employment tax on every dollar of income PLUS our income tax liability, while someone who lives off of investments and rental properties pays only income tax. Talk about a disincentive to work hard and start a business!

We do own a rental property, at least for a few more months, but it isn't a source of income. It was an ethical/acceptable way out of a difficult housing situation, and since the local market won't bear high enough rent for us to profit we just break even on it, but it was a better option than passing on the opportunity that came along with our current house, staying put not knowing how much longer we could make ends meet there, or simply walking away. It looks like we'll FINALLY be out from under that mess this spring (thanks in part to our tenant's EITC, actually - he has the pre-approval and is waiting on his tax return for the downpayment :woohoo:).

Once again, I agree with everything you say. Minimum wage is $7.25(?)/hour, right? So someone working full time is getting (gross) about $1,160 a month. Assuming there's only one person working (ie: Single Parent household), I'm not sure that's enough for a roof and food. I agree one person could live frugally on that, maybe even two. But for three or more... not sure.

Federally, it is $5.75; working full time at that rate is an income of less than $1000/mo. Some states have higher minimum wages, though.

AND using a lack of a college degree as a reason for not being able to make a living is ridiculous. Walt Disney, Bill Gates, Frank Llyod Wright, Steve jobs, Milton Hershey and Henry Ford never attended college. One thing they have in common with all other successful business owners is that they took a risk and worked their butts off to get where they were!

But you can't use the extremes to prove the rule, and aside from (to some degree) Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, all of your examples are men who lived before credentials overtook know-how and determination in getting one's foot in the door. None of them built their fortunes at a time where a resume without the right degree on it went straight to the circular file without even being read, which is where we're at today.

My grandfather was one of those success stories, on a smaller scale (obviously, since he's not a household name :laughing:) - he dropped out of middle school and went to work in a factory, eventually working his way up to programming, maintaining, and ultimately selling robotics used in manufacturing. He and his partners started their own company worked all over the world and made excellent money. But for someone new to get into his line of work, an engineering degree is required just to get an interview.

I guess that's why I'm confused. I just don't understand the point that is being made here.

I think the point was that us average-income schlubs were supposed to look at a 35K tax-due amount (with self-employment tax and no withholdings, substituting that figure for our actual income took us from a couple hundred dollar return to 35,700 owing) and be so :eek: :scared1: :eek: that we forget all about the 75K in extra income that's leftover after paying that bill. :rotfl:

Why should the person making more have to pay more? Where is the incentive to get ahead?

It is in the 80+% of their income that they get to keep. We are far from punitive, discouraging income taxes in this country even at the top rate. This would be like a lower income family saying "Sure, I could save $10 with coupons from the paper, but that's not worth spending $2 to buy it" - it just doesn't make sense unless the person is looking for an excuse not to do it in the first place.
 
You get to a point where the incentive goes away. You obviously are not there yet.
I'd like to know what that point is though. What's the highest tax bracket? Even if it's 50%, if I get a $1,000 raise, although $500 is going to taxes, I'm still getting $500 extra dollars. So there's still incentive.

We are not rich by any means partly because of where we live. But we get no tax breaks either. I don't have an issue with what we pay now but I can't stand hearing people scream that we should pay more when there is so much waste and abuse now.
I haven't seen anyone on this thread yet say the "rich" should pay more. Can you point them out to me?
 
Based on my current income:
Tax owed is 8.99% of gross.
Tax owed is 13.7% of adjusted.

Changing income to $150K
Tax owed is 14% of gross
Tax owed is 18% of adjusted

So I would owe approximately an extra 5%... considering to get to $150K would be an EXTREMELY more than 5% raise, I don't see the problem.:confused3


I dont think people understand that once you make over x amt you actually pay federal taxes.. I just put in 150k because i keep see it posted here...


we havent been talking about getting a raise but about actually paying taxes which lots of eic dont do...
 
I know he can write off business expenses, but that doesn't change the fact that we pay a full 15.3% self employment tax on every dollar of income PLUS our income tax liability, while someone who lives off of investments and rental properties pays only income tax. Talk about a disincentive to work hard and start a business!

We do own a rental property, at least for a few more months, but it isn't a source of income. It was an ethical/acceptable way out of a difficult housing situation, and since the local market won't bear high enough rent for us to profit we just break even on it, but it was a better option than passing on the opportunity that came along with our current house, staying put not knowing how much longer we could make ends meet there, or simply walking away. It looks like we'll FINALLY be out from under that mess this spring (thanks in part to our tenant's EITC, actually - he has the pre-approval and is waiting on his tax return for the downpayment :woohoo:).



Federally, it is $5.75; working full time at that rate is an income of less than $1000/mo. Some states have higher minimum wages, though.



But you can't use the extremes to prove the rule, and aside from (to some degree) Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, all of your examples are men who lived before credentials overtook know-how and determination in getting one's foot in the door. None of them built their fortunes at a time where a resume without the right degree on it went straight to the circular file without even being read, which is where we're at today.

My grandfather was one of those success stories, on a smaller scale (obviously, since he's not a household name :laughing:) - he dropped out of middle school and went to work in a factory, eventually working his way up to programming, maintaining, and ultimately selling robotics used in manufacturing. He and his partners started their own company worked all over the world and made excellent money. But for someone new to get into his line of work, an engineering degree is required just to get an interview.



I think the point was that us average-income schlubs were supposed to look at a 35K tax-due amount (with self-employment tax and no withholdings, substituting that figure for our actual income took us from a couple hundred dollar return to 35,700 owing) and be so :eek: :scared1: :eek: that we forget all about the 75K in extra income that's leftover after paying that bill. :rotfl:



It is in the 80+% of their income that they get to keep. We are far from punitive, discouraging income taxes in this country even at the top rate. This would be like a lower income family saying "Sure, I could save $10 with coupons from the paper, but that's not worth spending $2 to buy it" - it just doesn't make sense unless the person is looking for an excuse not to do it in the first place.
Bolding mine. Absolutely LOVING this analogy! :thumbsup2 Perfect. As I have said time and time again, it is all about choices.

I dont think people understand that once you make over x amt you actually pay federal taxes.. I just put in 150k because i keep see it posted here...


we havent been talking about getting a raise but about actually paying taxes which lots of eic dont do...

So sorry...still lost. I don't make 150K but I still pay federal taxes.
 





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