Taking the nieces? Complicated... Need feedback

Is there anything you've ever wanted to to for her but at the time couldn't? Like, you know, back during such and such I wanted to something special for your such and such special day. And since she is going through a rought time now, you thought it would be a perfect time to maybe take the neices on vacation to give her some time to sort things out.

Or even as a pp stated, to take her as well so long as it doesn't create any more tension b/t her and her husband.

I think if the kids are used to spending time with you, they should be fine for 6 days. They are going to be so exhausted at the end of the day and busy during it, plus they'd have each other as a buffer.

I think it is a sweet thing to do.

On the flip side, though am ok now, was in a terrible financial time when dd was little. She went to some fabulous places with her grandparents without me...France, Spain, around the US. I was absoulutely thrilled to 1. get a break (single wahm/homeschooler) and 2. DD got to experience something I (at the time) would never dream I could have provided.

I would definitely word it as nothing to do with money at all, but an emotional break, or time to herself. Don't even utter anything about finances.
 
I brought one of my neices with me on the pretext that she was to baby sit my daughter, she did very little actual babysitting but to get my brother to let even one of his children go he made me promise to "work her like a dog" and while she was "dog tired" it had everythign to do w/ going on the tower of terror 4x's in a row 20 minutes before closing (as an example) than taking care of my daughter.... hope your sisters doesn't require an excuse it cost us about 1000$ to bring her with us with airfair her food and her tickets (we paid for everything except the souviners ... i did buy her a few things but i am not including that in the 1000 price tag).
 
As everyone's commenting, you need to be wary of personalities and such. We only take people we're already comfortable spending time with. BUT, something else to keep in mind is one of the few things my wife regrets about her childhood is not going anywhere on vacation as a kid (other than granny's), and she really regrets not seeing WDW as a child.

I do disagree about one post...if I'm taking someone to WDW, it usually -is- about them. But I was lucky as a kid. 10 Uncles and Aunts (and that's just my mom's siblings!) that included me and took me places with all of the cousins at my end of the generation. Ergo, I'm trained to share the love. :-)

Good luck.
-joe
 
So I will presume your husband had a complete change of heart? He went from not wanting to go because of kids, then he agreed to go if you lost weight, but was not crazy about the kid "smells" ( i think you were going to oil his upper lip?) and now, not only is he pumped about going, but is ok bringing 4 of someone elses rugrats? Wow, now that is an interesting turn around. I an only imagine what is next ((((((hugs))))))
 

WOW! Loads of responses!! I'm still reading but thought I'd go ahead and answer a few questions before I forgot.

Do the girls have rules for being in your home??

There are no rules at my house, which is why it rocks for them! However that said, they are always courteous and ask first about everything. "May we have some ice cream?" Can we eat in the living room?" "Is it okay if we play in the cubby closets?" Obviously yes, yes and yes!

Do they listen to you as it is?

Absolutely yes, although there's rarely a need. My sister's kind of strict so I'm a whole lot looser. I do put my foot down if they start to bicker amongst each other.

Does the oldest one usually help out with the younger ones?

They are all super compassionate with each other. Seriously wonderful children!
 
So I will presume your husband had a complete change of heart? He went from not wanting to go because of kids, then he agreed to go if you lost weight, but was not crazy about the kid "smells" ( i think you were going to oil his upper lip?) and now, not only is he pumped about going, but is ok bringing 4 of someone elses rugrats? Wow, now that is an interesting turn around. I an only imagine what is next ((((((hugs))))))

BRAKES!!! Wow, I don't know who you are, but you really have some nerve, don't you? What a way to twist words! Really, do you have some sort of problem with me I'm not aware of??

As stated in my previous posts, the weight loss goal was MY idea, NOT by husbands. In fact, he make it clear that he did not want me "too skinny" as that is unattractive to him. AND even if I don't reach the goals I have personally set for MYSELF, he still wants take me. I made this all clear, but you omitted the parts you did not want others to hear. (No idea why you would do this!)

Regarding kid "smells," you conveniently left out my previous explanation on this definition. My husband is East Indian, and "kid smells" to him does not mean what it may sound like. For him, it translates to cereal, candy, popcorn and such. No, he's not crazy about the smell of cereal, candy and popcorn, but he eats all that stuff anyway. Yes, I will totally oil his upper lip with a scented oil if needed. I freely admit, I needed to do this myself while I was in India to make it through the day. I'm not sure why this is such a shocking "scandal" to you.

My DH is a great uncle with a big heart. No, he's not crazy about being stampeded by kids, but we're both pretty easygoing and after watching the info DVD, he's warming up to the idea, and as I stated in this very thread, his philosophy is pretty much, if you can't beat em, join em! Hence the idea of bringing my nieces. I'm delighted and think this is super sweet. I certainly did not expect to be resented for it, especially by complete strangers. I have no idea why I would be, but apparently I am.

Again, not a clue what I may have done to offend you, but instead of posting half the story to try to make me and my husband look like horrible people, why not PM me if you have an issue? I'm happy to talk it out, but in the meantime, please take your "hugs" elsewhere, I don't care for being stabbed in the back. Thanks.
 
If its something your comfortable with and you really want to do it, I would offer. But if your concerned about offending her I'd offer it as a gift to the girls instead of say Christmas maybe throw out some grade expectations. You can also explain to the girls where your going how long your going for and that mom and dad won't be there and let them choose.

I'm in talks with hubbie about doing the same thing with his nieces there 6 and 8 I'm wondering if there to young if they will miss there mom and dad to much if they'll be able to get on all the rides lol I know that parts a little selfish but its stuff to think about also 6 people to a room can be a tight fit. You'd have to ask yourself if your ok with no privacy for the amount of time your going. I'd consider a family suite or a cabin.

Good luck =) and wish me the same hehe
 
Just tossing this out there:

If this is your first trip to WDW, I would recommend at least part of the time having it for just the two of you! My DH and I went the year before we got married (stayed off site, got the tickets free as they were left over from a trip that I had planned for some Japanese friends of my folks and their kids, ate very inexpensively, but still had so much fun). It was the first real vacation DH had ever been on. The following year, we ended up honeymooning there! There is so much to see and do for a couple in love at Disneyworld!!!!

Maybe the kids can either join you for a part of the time, or I'd go once alone then think about bringing the kids.

Four kids is a lot of work, plus the tickets and food add up (the tickets alone are a big expense).

Or, how about a trip with your DH, then a trip with your sister and the girls, a girls-only time?

It does sound like she's got a lot going on right now, so hope things work out for all of you.

PS: my mom and dad are also from Central Illinois - Spring Valley and Ottawa :goodvibes
 
I do not agree with breaking the group up and taking 1 or 2 at a time. The ones left behind will be heartbroken.

Since it is your first trip, I am on the fence as to if you and your DH should go it alone and then plan another trip with the girls, or taking the girls.

We just took our children this past year, and it was amazing. You definitely need to focus everything you do towards the children. As long as you both understand that the trip is about them and not the two of you I would say go for it.
 
OP, sorry you are catching some flack for trying to do good. Personally, from a mom who didn't always have everything she wanted to give her kids but does now, I would never not let my children go with someone on a fabulous vacation just because I resented that they had the money to do it. That is crazy! Similarly, when my DS19 had the opportunity to go skiing (which I would never do because I HATE the cold!), I certainly was all for him going and when DD18 had the opportunity to go with her BFF's family on a cruise, I was all for her going there too! They both had a blast and not one time did I resent that they were going with someone else.

I think what you are doing is great!! I wouldn't make it anything other than what it is to your sister because she knows you well enough to know that would be fake. Tell her straight up that you are planning a trip to WDW and would love it if her DDs could go with you. She will either take it very well and that you so much for including them, or she will be selfish and resent that you offered, which I seriously doubt because she seems to love her DDs so much that she would want this for them.

Good luck and have a wonderful trip! Let us know how it goes!!!:goodvibes
 
OP, ask your sister. All she can say is no. With the upheaval at her house, she might love letting her kids get away.
 
I worried about the same things in regards to hurting my sister's feelings when we took my niece. She and bil couldn't afford a WDW vacation and in fact, couldn't afford many extras at all. Niece spent a lot of time with us and was very close to our DD, so it was very natural to take her places....that was never an issue.

But Disney is different, isn't it. My family had very little growing up. We never went on vacation, let alone one to Disney! I was worried that my sister's feelings would be hurt that she wasn't the one taking her DD. But I also knew my sister wouldn't want to deny her DD an experience like that. I started the conversation by telling her we'd like to take niece but that I would understand if she was leary about us taking her so far away and on a plane for the first time. I thought that would give her an "out"....if she needed it.

She was honest with me about her feelings. She said she wished she could take her and see the look on her face when she saw the castle for the first time but she'd rather send her and miss that look on her face than have niece miss the chance to go.

It would be great if you could figure out a way for your sister to go too.
I asked my sister if we could figure out a way for her to go but she couldn't afford to take that many days off work. That would have been my ideal solution.



Good luck. I think it's great that you want to include them.
 
Offer... talk to your sister where the kids cant hear... so they dont get drift of it in case mom needs to think about it or say No for one reason or another... Tell her you think she needs a break - maybe tell her you are getting her a spa gift certificate or something for some ME time... let her know that you know shes having a rough time and that you and your Hubby would love to spend some time with you beloved nieces... GO FOR IT!!!
 
Dh and I did this back before we had our 2 kids. We were childless and I have no idea how it came up - but we decided to bring his sis and her 3 kids (who would NEVER have the opportunity as single mom does not have the money for this type of trip) as a gift to them. Again, I don't even remember how we broached the topic - but she was so grateful and appreciative. And the kids were very happy too. They were old enough to know they wouldn't have had the opportunity otherwise and were very happy to have it.

We paid for almost everything - airfare, hotel (offsite), car, tickets and most food. We got a place with a kitchen and had a bunch of meals in the hotel. Be sprung for a couple of sit down meals. And brought some sandwiches to the parks a couple days. Dsis in law did insist on paying for one meal I think it was and also bought some pictures (back before photopass) and a nice frame that she gave us as a gift afterward.

It is still one of my happiest memories. I am thrilled that my blessings brought that kind of once in a lifetime memories for my SIL and nephews and niece. I will never regret it and I highly recommend it if you are in a position to do so.
 
I would offer, yes! I would also consider taking the older two this time...promising the little ones their own special trip when they hit the teen years. In some families that would go over well, others not so much. You know your family best.
 
Wow, this is really a multi-pronged answer that may take some time ;) We are also childless by choice, and I have a sister with money problems and jealousy issues, but that doesn't necessarily mean you and I in the same boat. So I'll try to give my advice with a lot of "buts" :thumbsup2

First, no way would I take someone elses children, heck, no way would I take another adult, on our first trip to Disney. Until you've been, you really can't imagine how different it is from what people usually think of as a vacation. And honestly, because it's so different, people are just as likely to go into it thinking they'll love it and end up finding it's not for them, as they are to go into it being skeptical and find it transforms them. There is no way to know until you go. And it is, in one word, exhausting. It's great (to me), but very very tiring. A first-timer can try to plan like they suggest on here, but unless you've been here before it can often be for naught because you may find you like this but not that and need to change it all, find you hate the commando route after the first day and decide to take it slow, or blow through a park in 4 hours you thought you'd need 2 days to get through.

In short (too late!) there's just SO MUCH to discover your first time, about the parks, yourself and your DH at the parks, that I really believe you should do the first time alone. What if going with four children turns out to be awful and stressful? Or just boring because you're so busy catering to their needs that you don't get to do the things you'd consider fun. Your DH can come away from it thinking, "AGH, WDW, never again!" when really if you'd tried it alone might have loved it. And it may take heaven and earth to get him to try it again. I would go first alone and consider it a litmus test i.e. "Okay, so now I know I love WDW. Let's try it with a kids perspective!"

Also, like many people on the DIS, many of us (even parents!) have been without children and haven't felt overwhelmed by the children in the park. Nor have we felt out of place. And this is from someone who really, really doesn't have the whine/shriek ear deadener that people develop. Like a needle to my brain... :rotfl: I don't think you need a child to feel a part of WDW.

Now, I'll address the nieces. You don't say if you've traveled with the four of them elsewhere where you've had sole responsibility, but I'll tell you my take on this assuming you haven't. Traveling with four children, even just going out to a theme park nearby with four children, is very very different than having them over to your house and letting them go crazy. I have 6 nephews and nieces, and I can't even believe what it's like trying to take just two siblings at once out somewhere. They get excited, they get overstimulated, and they simply become different kids. At first it's great, they're bouncy and happy, and then they start conflicting with each other and with you because they're all keyed up about doing what they want to do vs what someone else wants to do. And with six people total, there is no way you're all going to want to be doing the same thing at the same time. People (the adults too!) start pouting, start bickering. And eventually someone starts getting tired (or hungry), and real fussiness starts happening. Not to mention, you have to keep your eye in 5 different places at once. I say five, because at Disney (or heck, Best Buy) husbands have a tendency to wander. There are crowds, distractions, just someone stopping to tie a shoe or take a picture, and it's beyond easy to suddenly find them gone. Add to that trying to corral that many people out of the room in the morning, stopping for bathroom breaks, trying to wrangle five people to eat (and agreeing on what to eat) and your actual time enjoying the parks just slips away. I find myself flustered just trying to order for 4 people and get them seated and ready to eat at ChickFilA. It becomes a huge production, can't imagine 3 meals a day at a theme park.

NOW, most of the people on these boards have kids and do it all the time. But you aren't used to it, and now you're going to go into it with a WDW trial-by-fire of not just one but four children (and siblings!). I'm not saying it's something you should never do. What I'm saying is that it would be much easier if you do this after you've already been to WDW, and find that moving around is easier and more comfortable (plus you've done the things YOU want to do, so not such a bummer if you're restricted by what the kids want to do).

Whew, now all that being said, I'll address your sister. You say she's jealous, but you don't say what kind of jealous. Is it simply something you perceive, kind of a sadness jealousy? Or is she snarky-jealous, with snide little comments? Sadness jealousy is much harder to handle -- she's just being human and you have compassion for her. But snarky-jealousy doesn't fly with me personally. My sister is snarky-jealous. When her daughter asked her why we get to go to WDW but they don't, she curled her lip and snapped, "Because they're rich!" I was furious because that is so very very far from the case. Yes my sister is on a limited budget, but she is also terrible with her money/possessions. Eats out every night, but struggles to pay rent; borrows money but doesn't pay it back even when she can; gets over $5K+ a year on tax returns, but rather than pay down her debt or put it into savings, buys electronics and a new wardrobe. But she is more comfortable thinking we are just lucky or spoiled rather than admit that we make responsible choices. With that kind of jealousy, I have no patience. I hope that is not the type you are dealing with, but if you are, her jealousy is not your problem. It is hers and you can't do anything about that.

Either way, while it's very sweet that you are so worried about her feelings, I can only imagine how she would feel if she knew you were hesitant to approach her for this reason. If she's snarky jealous, she's going to take it as you being superior acting (martyr). If she's sad-jealous, she's going to take it as though it's pity, and I can only imagine she wouldn't want either of those things. Again, you're obviously a caring sister, but as long as you're not behaving in a boorish, "in your face" way on a regular basis about what you have, you really can't shoulder her feelings this way. I'm sure she loves you and wouldn't WANT you to. I'm sure she's also a very loving mother, and would be hurt if she thought someone would think she'd put her pride above giving her children a great opportunity. If you really want to do this for them, you just have to move forward and trust her to be an adult about it. Otherwise, it's not fair to your nieces, to her or to you. But I appreciate the toughness of your situation, so sending you this: :goodvibes

I will add, finally, that having my sister, I wouldn't take her along on a trip with her kids. Believe it or not, she'd make the trip 10x harder than the kids. But in general, even if your sister is not remotely like mine, if she already has some jealousy issues, it might really be humiliating to have her "rich" sister paying her way. A parent doing that is one thing, but your sibling... Then add in the marital issues and you've got a stranger situation. If they aren't already separated, only inviting your sister and the kids would seem to send a signal that your BIL is not a part of the family. But inviting him would be bringing along a bad/tense situation to what should be a happy event. Just something to consider.

Whew, okay, I think I've addressed everything I wanted to. Again, it was colored by my personal experiences, just as is the other advice you've received. Only you know your sister, nieces, yourself and your DH. I'm sure you'll make the best decision. Best of luck!
 
I do not agree with breaking the group up and taking 1 or 2 at a time. The ones left behind will be heartbroken.

I totally agree. There is no way dividing the children is going to work. As you said, the ones left behind will be heartbroken and resentful.

What happens if you plan to have 2 trips and something happens to your financial situation after trip #1, causing you to be financially unable to do the 2nd trip? You will have 2 children who will hate you for breaking your promise.

Also consider the rules of the parents. My mother never really looked at me and my brother as individuals. It was like we were siamese twins. If my brother could not go somewhere, I had to stay at home too. I missed out on a lot with that rule, but there was nothing I could do about it and it was no use for another adult to try to change my mom's mind.
 
This will be your first trip to WDW. If you are really set on taking your nieces then do it at a later time.
 
What a generous thing to do! I would talk privately with your sister and make sure she is on board with your idea of taking the kids. If she agrees then I would privately talk to the girls and explain your plan to them.

I would suggest that you ask the girls to help raise some extra money so that they can surprise their mom with the trip too. They are old enough to do odd jobs around the neighborhood and do some baby sitting to raise some money. It will make them feel a part of it all and make them appreciate what they are being giving. If mom gets suspicious of the extra good behavior and hard work of the girls, tell her that you suggested that they earn some spending money for the trip.

Enjoy the planning and have a blast on the trip!:cool1:
 
1st thought - first trip, no way!

2nd thought - have you ever BEEN on a trip with a 13 year old? My normally easy going, go with the flow child turned into a monster during our vacation when he was 13.

If you had been to WDW before many times, it might be fun to change it up and see it through new eyes. But that is not your case. WDW is really not just for kids. I love traveling with my kids and would not have wanted to go without them, but I'm glad I had experienced going without them prior to going with them!
 

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