Take a promotion or not?

Carriemel

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Just a quick question...I have been with the Federal Government for almost 8 years now. I am on the list for a promotion. Problem is, right now, I've got the highest seniority in my department, and if I took the promotion, I'd be dropped to lowest.

Pros are: The raise would be in the neighborhood of 3000 a year.
I'd have more responsibilities.

Cons are: Not being able to have weekends off.
More people criticizing me.

Soooo...that said, would you consider not taking the promotion?
 
I would not take the promotion for that little of a salary increase and having to work weekends would be the pits. Not worth it imo.
 
What are your opportunities for advancement in the new job? You say you will get a $3000 raise, but how about next year, and the year after that.

I work for federal government too and I am capped out in my pay band right now. The only "raise" I can get are performance bonuses and whatever cost of living raise they decide on. I cannot go any further in my grade. That is important to me for long term financial goals and retirement payout. So, in your new job can you continue to move up within that grade?
 
Well, the only raises being offered right now, aside from promotions, are the annual cost-of-living and pay-for-performance raises. So, until the step raises come in, that's about all there would be.
 

Well, the only raises being offered right now, aside from promotions, are the annual cost-of-living and pay-for-performance raises. So, until the step raises come in, that's about all there would be.

That's good. I am also in pay for performance but since I am at the top of my band, I cannot get any increase in salary--just bonuses. I dread going back to the step increases. I did very well under pay for performance.

At any rate, if you are at the top of your current grade/band, you are no longer getting increases to actually salary--you just get the cash payout. And while there is nothing wrong with cash payout, it is NOT the gift that keeps on giving. Salary is. I would take the promotion because you have a whole new grade to move up through. While in the short-term, it doesn't seem like much at all, over the years it will be the best move. Unless, of course, you've decided that you never want to have a specific level of responsibility. There is nothing wrong with that either.
 
One thing to consider is that if you turn this promotion down, will you be offered others in the future? I am surprised that your seniority will start over. Is it seniority for vacation time, etc. or is it for everything like job elimination. My Step-mom works for the federal bankruptcy court and transferred from California to Missouri and kept her seniority with that move. The job was the same, just a different state so that might be it?
 
no,no,no. I took a promotion for the money and more stress. It almost killed me, literally. Not worth one red cent.
 
I'm in the exact same boat as you.

Enjoying the perks of seniority. Enjoying weekends off. Enjoying being hassled less.

I have also been waiting 2 years for my promotion.

I will NOT have weekends off. I will be low man on totem pole. BUT, I won't have to answer to certain people anymore! I will also make more money.

I am going with the promotion! :thumbsup2 :woohoo:
 
I retired as a non-supervisory 14/10. During my last two to three years I had several opportunities, where I worked, to apply for a 15 but that would have made me a supervisor, which I did not care for.

But earlier in my career I would have been a fool to turn down any promotion opportunities. Yes, for a while I had the lowest seniority in that grade, but the step increases do help.
 
for me it would depend on what your rights would be in the event of layoffs.

the governement agency i worked for had a system where your seniority operated on several factors-

there was your actual employment time, then the time within your current classification, so if layoffs within your classification occured and you were the lowest on the totem pole (so you could'nt take seniority over another person), they looked to weather you had seniority over someone in the last classification you held. if you could you could demote (vs being layed off) into that classification, if not-they kept looking to every classifiction you ever held before you were layed off.

NOW-if you had moved to a different department with the same government entity it got trickier. some had policies where in the event a person who had worked for us previously could, in the event of layoff-take "bumping" rights back into our department, some other departments did not (and it was all written up in the union contracts that individual departments could do this).

for some people this works out fine, for others depending on the situation and where they enter into a promotional ladder, it can be the pits. i had one co-worker who managed to qualify for and effectivly jump over 2 positions that people usualy held prior to the one she accepted. she loved it for a long time-until massive layoffs occured. since she was on the lower end of the totem pole seniority wise, when layoffs hit while all of her impacted co-workers who had gone the traditional route of promotion only demoted down one classification (returned to their old rate of pay), she could only demote down to what she had held, BUT the m.q.'s for that had changed and she no longer met the qulifications so she had to bump down to the next lower which was a 30 or 40% cut in pay:scared1:

i'de also look to what the new job responsibilities are-$3000 a year works out to $250 a month which is less than $1.50 an hour in salary increase. are all the new responsibilities only worth another $1.50 in pay to you (and will it bump you into a new tax rate, or cost you more to be working those weekends-esp. if childcare is a consideration)?

if the job is in any way, shape or form going to change you from a non supervisory or non lead employee to one who is-i speak from personal experience and say it is in no way compensating you for this (anything involving supervision or being a lead where you still have to do some supervisory tasks within a government agency is worth WAY MORE than less than $1.50 per hour more than whatever you are being paid now).
 
Is there a chance of lay offs in the future? Higher seniority would keep you safer. And you get weekends off. 3K a year after taxes does not seem like much to pick up weekends and more stress.
 
I would never turn down a promotion. While this step is going to require less favorable hours and not a large increase all promotions are merely stepping stones along a career path. The faster you take it the faster you can take the next step and get back to the favorable hours. Even a lateral move that puts you in a more advantageous career path is a good idea. It is like going from the 10th step of a 10 step ladder to the 10th step of a 15 step ladder.

I can speak for my office but anyone who turns down a promotion shows a lack of ambition and most are weeded out of the company one way or another. It may be different with the government, but in the private sector it would be like installing your own glass ceiling.

This is at least what I would do, what you should is up to you.
 
I would never turn down a promotion. While this step is going to require less favorable hours and not a large increase all promotions are merely stepping stones along a career path. The faster you take it the faster you can take the next step and get back to the favorable hours. Even a lateral move that puts you in a more advantageous career path is a good idea. It is like going from the 10th step of a 10 step ladder to the 10th step of a 15 step ladder.

I can speak for my office but anyone who turns down a promotion shows a lack of ambition and most are weeded out of the company one way or another. It may be different with the government, but in the private sector it would be like installing your own glass ceiling.

This is at least what I would do, what you should is up to you.

:thumbsup2 Good advice in the private sector. Not sure that it applies to government jobs (as you pointed out). :confused3
 
:thumbsup2 Good advice in the private sector. Not sure that it applies to government jobs (as you pointed out). :confused3

In my company taking a promotion is a huge paycut ,because you lose your overtime and commission. Its a HUGE paycut (can be 10-25K a year depending on how much ot you do) so just imagine the types of people that end up in charge. People who like to be in charge, people who have self esteem issues. You know, short guys with big trucks. Haha.

Anyway, private sector is somewhat different. In my workplace taking a promo shows a lack of intelligence in my opinion. I used to make bank on the OT. And taking that promo means you still work the hours, but your salary.

So for the OP, it really depends on the situation. I would say no way to only 3k for more stress and weekends.
 
Depends on if you are happy doing what you are doing. :)
The grass is not always greener on the other side.

Personally, the job you have currently sounds like the better one.
 
Just a quick question...I have been with the Federal Government for almost 8 years now. I am on the list for a promotion. Problem is, right now, I've got the highest seniority in my department, and if I took the promotion, I'd be dropped to lowest.

Pros are: The raise would be in the neighborhood of 3000 a year.
I'd have more responsibilities.

Cons are: Not being able to have weekends off.
More people criticizing me.

Soooo...that said, would you consider not taking the promotion?


I took a promotion last year that I was unsure about. The pay increase was in the neighborhood of $12,000. I made a mistake, and I'd hate to see you do the same. If you are unsure, *I* would pass. Just my experinece and opinion. GOOD LUCK with your decision!
 
I recently retired from a managerial position in a federal govt. Unfortunately your situation gets into the murky area of office politics. Only you know how your office functions, what the unwritten rules are. Is it the kiss of death to your career if you turn down this "opportunity"? If you take this position, and you do not like it, are there other positions at that level that you could transfer into and that you would prefer? Just saying--keep your options open!
 




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