Table Manners....

Buttering each and every bite of bread sounds more like gluttony than good manners. :sick:
This is an interesting perspective. It should be noted the comparison in this thread has been between people who break off a piece of roll or bread and butter it and eat it, vs. people who butter the entire roll or slice of bread and take occasional bites.

Either way, either group is enjoying butter with the entire roll or bread slice. If you're going to use the word gluttony, you'd best be applying it to both groups equally.
 
This is an interesting perspective. It should be noted the comparison in this thread has been between people who break off a piece of roll or bread and butter it and eat it, vs. people who butter the entire roll or slice of bread and take occasional bites.

Either way, either group is enjoying butter with the entire roll or bread slice. If you're going to use the word gluttony, you'd best be applying it to both groups equally.

I believe the word "greedy" was used earlier in the thread to describe those who butter their entire piece of bread or roll at once. And yes, I agree that whether you butter it whole or in little bits, you're still eating the same amount of bread, which is an individual serving and MEANT to be eaten in its entirety. Therefore I don't think greedy or gluttonous are words that should be used in either circumstance.
 
I can't believe that after all this, so many people are so up in arms over the buttering of the stinking rolls. GET OVER IT PEOPLE. Yes one bit =e at a time is correct, hover, we frequent very upscale restaurants fairly often and I don't see this as the norm, but I do know that it is correct. BUT WHO CARES.
 

This is an interesting perspective. It should be noted the comparison in this thread has been between people who break off a piece of roll or bread and butter it and eat it, vs. people who butter the entire roll or slice of bread and take occasional bites.

Either way, either group is enjoying butter with the entire roll or bread slice. If you're going to use the word gluttony, you'd best be applying it to both groups equally.

I'm picturing the difference between placing a thin spread over the roll/bread v. a clump of butter on a bite sized piece. It seems to me that you would consume much more butter in buttering each individual piece, assuming you still ate the whole roll/bread. I don't eat butter though, so what do I know?
 
I believe the word "greedy" was used earlier in the thread to describe those who butter their entire piece of bread or roll at once. And yes, I agree that whether you butter it whole or in little bits, you're still eating the same amount of bread, which is an individual serving and MEANT to be eaten in its entirety. Therefore I don't think greedy or gluttonous are words that should be used in either circumstance.

You are eating the same amount of bread, but not the same amount of butter.
 
You tear off chunks of bread that's already been slathered in butter? Sounds messy :confused3 At that point, I think I'd just eat it with a knife & fork.

I'm telling you I was raised by the etiquette police that goes back at least 3 generations and I'd guess way further back than that. I knew my paternal great and great-great grandmothers and they were even stricter than my mother-guess she came to the manners thing through assimilation.:) The only thing not burdened by rules of etiquette were breathing and sleeping. I take that back, it was rude to breathe loudly.
 
I'm picturing the difference between placing a thin spread over the roll/bread v. a clump of butter on a bite sized piece. It seems to me that you would consume much more butter in buttering each individual piece, assuming you still ate the whole roll/bread. I don't eat butter though, so what do I know?
What has anyone who supports breaking of and buttering a bite of bread/roll at a time, said in this thread that's given you even the vaguest impression that any of us put "a clump" of butter on a bite?

The above started much less intensely, but I grew more passionate as I wrote.
 
What has anyone who supports breaking of and buttering a bite of bread/roll at a time, said in this thread that's given you even the vaguest impression that any of us put "a clump" of butter on a bite?

The above started much less intensely, but I grew more passionate as I wrote.

No one said anyone said anything that gave that impression. I'm guessing that poster, like myself, simply pictures that trying to put butter onto each bite would necessitate the use of more butter.

Those of us that are unfamiliar with this etiquette rule are finding it hard to visualize. The youtube video posted above helped, but she really didn't eat and only showed one bite. As many of us have said, it's hard to visualize it not looking like "playing with your food" and it seems like simply buttering and then eating your bread would be less obtrusive.

I have to say it again because I find it so amazing. I'm REALLY tempted to bring up an old thank you note thread and compare and see if some of these people so appalled at the bad manners of those of us who don't know this rule are people who think nothing of no written thank yous.

Obviously people have very differing definitions of what makes up bad manners.
 
No one said anyone said anything that gave that impression. I'm guessing that poster, like myself, simply pictures that trying to put butter onto each bite would necessitate the use of more butter.

Those of us that are unfamiliar with this etiquette rule are finding it hard to visualize. The youtube video posted above helped, but she really didn't eat and only showed one bite. As many of us have said, it's hard to visualize it not looking like "playing with your food" and it seems like simply buttering and then eating your bread would be less obtrusive.

I have to say it again because I find it so amazing. I'm REALLY tempted to bring up an old thank you note thread and compare and see if some of these people so appalled at the bad manners of those of us who don't know this rule are people who think nothing of no written thank yous.

Obviously people have very differing definitions of what makes up bad manners.

I haven't watched the video (and btw, I'm a supporter of the handwritten thank you note), but it's not anything like playing with your food.

First, bread is meant to be torn, in a general sense - like challah. It's not strange to break bread and not cut it.

Second, as much as someone who would, say, cut a whole roll and then butter the whole roll likely not then eat the entire roll right then, the same thing here.

If we were out to dinner, we might sit down, get water, menus, etc. Order drinks, order apps, get a basket of bread and butter or oil.

I might select a roll or piece of bread from the basket and put it on my bread plate. If there's butter not oil, I'd take a serving (like enough for the roll) of butter from the crock and put it on the edge of my bread plate. I might take a piece of roll, dab butter on, consume it. Sip wine, talk. We talk, if I want more bread, I'd break off another piece, dab it with butter, eat, move on. It's not any more obtrusive than if you were picking up the whole half roll, biting it and putting it back down, save the small movements to break the piece of bread off and dab it with butter. It's not something you'd like, notice I wouldn't think. It's not like someone sits and breaks the bread up into small pieces and butters them and lines 'em up in some OCD manner. It's just ... if you and a friend were sitting in a cafe with coffees and sharing a big cookie. Same deal. You'd talk, sip coffee, break off a piece of cookie and eat it, sip, talk, etc. You wouldn't be biting from a giant cookie, you'd break off pieces as you went. If you saw someone sitting in a cafe, with a cup of coffee and a giant cookie, would you think they were 'playing with their food' if they ate it by breaking off bite-sized pieces? No, it's perfectly normal.

Same as eating challah. You want a piece, you break some off the loaf. If you want more later, you break off more.
 
Actually, I think I would think someone was playing with their food if they were breaking pieces off a cookie and eating it. If it was a giant cookie, I guess I'd assume they'd break it into smaller pieces (like 1/2 or 1/4) take one of the pieces and then eat it.

Now I'm wondering about donuts. What about cupcakes (which I think are the ultimate in awkward food!)
 
Actually, I think I would think someone was playing with their food if they were breaking pieces off a cookie and eating it. If it was a giant cookie, I guess I'd assume they'd break it into smaller pieces (like 1/2 or 1/4) take one of the pieces and then eat it.

Now I'm wondering about donuts. What about cupcakes (which I think are the ultimate in awkward food!)

Heh well, I guess we found 30 more pages worth of controversy.

Really, though? I'm sincerely asking because to me, that'd be kind of a really strange thing to do with the theoretical giant cookie.

I mean ok, you and I are sharing a cookie at Jacques Torres, because we're lucky like that -

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They're giant.

So we break it in half, we're sitting, each with a napkin and big half cookie. You either eat it by biting into it and putting it down each time or breaking it in two and doing that?

Because I leave it on my napkin and break bite-sized pieces off as I want them.

Cupcakes you cut in half and then eat with a fork. It's cake with frosting.
 
I would consider a fraction of a giant cookie to now be a regular sized cookie and would eat it like I would a normal cookie, bringing it to my mouth and biting off it.

I've never been to a fancy shmancy cupcake place - I DON'T live in a city - so I've never seen anyone eat a cupcake with a fork. Ever. I admit it would be easier, but isn't the point of a cupcake so you don't have to have plates, etc.?

Now I'm really wondering about the donuts!
 
I can't believe that after all this, so many people are so up in arms over the buttering of the stinking rolls. GET OVER IT PEOPLE. Yes one bit =e at a time is correct, hover, we frequent very upscale restaurants fairly often and I don't see this as the norm, but I do know that it is correct. BUT WHO CARES.
Now you're just being reasonable. Are you sure that you belong here? ;)
 
I would consider a fraction of a giant cookie to now be a regular sized cookie and would eat it like I would a normal cookie, bringing it to my mouth and biting off it.

I've never been to a fancy shmancy cupcake place - I DON'T live in a city - so I've never seen anyone eat a cupcake with a fork. Ever. I admit it would be easier, but isn't the point of a cupcake so you don't have to have plates, etc.?

Now I'm really wondering about the donuts!

If I'm eating a cookie at home I might eat it like that, though if it's a bigger than like two-bite cookie I'd break off pieces at home too. Out, it wouldn't occur to me to do anything but what I described, except for a tiny, single-bite cookie, obviously.

I don't think I've seen anyone but a small child eat a cupcake (unless it's a teeny cupcake) withOUT a fork, except for amusement or effect (like NOM!). I guess if you were eating it while walking down the street you could break it in half and then eat the half but ... it's cake with frosting! You wouldn't pick up a piece of cake in your hand... right? I'm so unsure now, heh.

Though there's more than one cupcake shop in my neighbourhood (when will the cupcake scourge end? We now even have the teeeeeny tiny cupcake shop. Let's move on to the next trend, people.) and people sit in the windows all the livelong day and at least I don't notice people without plates and forks, save bitty kids. I mean, at an event if you were served a cupcake, they'd serve it on a plate with a fork, not just hand it over...

Doughnuts I also break off bite-sized pieces. Even like, alone at home. What else would one do?! Sit with a big doughnut hanging out of your maw? You're freaking me out.
 
So in the situation of being served a bowl of oil with the bread, what is the proper way to do this. You break off a piece of the bread, now do you dip it in by your fingers, or use a fork?
 
So in the situation of being served a bowl of oil with the bread, what is the proper way to do this. You break off a piece of the bread, now do you dip it in by your fingers, or use a fork?

You dip with your fingers. You break bread by hand, eat bread by hand, for the most part.
 
If I'm eating a cookie at home I might eat it like that, though if it's a bigger than like two-bite cookie I'd break off pieces at home too. Out, it wouldn't occur to me to do anything but what I described, except for a tiny, single-bite cookie, obviously.

I don't think I've seen anyone but a small child eat a cupcake (unless it's a teeny cupcake) withOUT a fork, except for amusement or effect (like NOM!). I guess if you were eating it while walking down the street you could break it in half and then eat the half but ... it's cake with frosting! You wouldn't pick up a piece of cake in your hand... right? I'm so unsure now, heh.

Though there's more than one cupcake shop in my neighbourhood (when will the cupcake scourge end? We now even have the teeeeeny tiny cupcake shop. Let's move on to the next trend, people.) and people sit in the windows all the livelong day and at least I don't notice people without plates and forks, save bitty kids. I mean, at an event if you were served a cupcake, they'd serve it on a plate with a fork, not just hand it over...

Doughnuts I also break off bite-sized pieces. Even like, alone at home. What else would one do?! Sit with a big doughnut hanging out of your maw? You're freaking me out.

Ok, you have just lost me. I supported your stance on breaking the bread, but you are just going WAY over the top. I have never seen anyone eat a cup cake with a fork and a knife.
 












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