Swine Flu News

I know here in Hawaii I've had a few civilian friends get H1N1 and they did not get Tamiflu because some pharmacies were out of it. But we get our healthcare from the military hospital and they just handed it out to us when we took the kids. I'm not sure that the pharmacies are actually out of it here or if they are just holding on to supplies for the worst cases or people with risk.
 
Perhaps the tamiflu should not have been prescribed yet but at the very least the test should have been done. JMHO.

The reason for not doing the test is that if you aren't going to do anything with the information, then why have the expense of the test? It's like someone who is adamantly pro-life not having certain prenatal testing - why bother? In other words, the test results are not going to impact the treatment, so it isn't necessary (except to satisfy one's curiosity, but then you have to worry about all the false negatives, so you might still not know the truth, even with the test).
 
Perhaps the tamiflu should not have been prescribed yet but at the very least the test should have been done. JMHO.

I would have wanted the test too, just for curiosity's sake. However, as the PP said, the treatment would have been the same no matter the results. My daughter was tested last week, and it was negative, but we truly believe she had it. Many people in our area have confirmed cases, including people we know, and my daughter's symptoms were the same as theirs. The rapid test has a false negative rate as high as 40-50%. Regardless, the instructions from the doctor would have been the same no matter the result: lots of fluids, manage the fever with Motrin, lots of rest, and call if her symptoms become noticeably worse.
 
Thanks for everyone's input and the info about Tamiflu. My dd still has fever, but I can tell she is feeling better today. I am almost over this crud, but still coughing and feeling run down.
 

I sort of laugh at Ohio's Weekly Flu Report results. Sporadic?? Of everyone we know who has been sick (my own household included), not a SINGLE person has been flu tested. Heck, I was treated for hours and hours at the ER back in the late spring, with flu-like symptoms...my left lung was barely functioning. After several rounds of breathing treatments (no, I've NEVER needed a breathing treatment in my entire life), I was ok to leave -- WITH an inhaler, steroids, and other meds. No flu test. Girl in room next to mine at the ER had similar complaints. They didn't test her either.

But this isn't unusual, really. When youngest dd was 1 yr old, she ended up hospitalized with "flu-like illness." She was not tested either. The hospital's reasoning bback then: They were nearly full on the peds floor. If they tested the flu kids, they could only put 2 kids into 1 room if they had the SAME strain. By not testing, they could toss them all into rooms for having "the same thing."

At 3am, when they tried to give us a roommate, I fought tooth and nail. LAST thing I needed was for dd to get the OTHER strain of flu while hospitalized with the first one. I wonder if not testing now, at least around here, is for that reason once again.
 
I am in Tampa and on the local news yesterday morning they stated that a local private Catholic high school (not far from my house) has 20% of their student population out right now due to the swine flu. The school has been in session already 2 weeks and they said that is the incubation period, so that is why so many kids are out this week. I do get nervous, because my kids just started back on Monday. We know of one boy my son plays baseball with had a confirmed case here this summer as well. I have a feeling its going to be widespread.
 
Swine flu is in da hizzie! In my 1st grade class alone, we have 6 students and my co-teacher out with it. That's 1/4 of our class! Eeekk!
 
I sort of laugh at Ohio's Weekly Flu Report results. Sporadic?? Of everyone we know who has been sick (my own household included), not a SINGLE person has been flu tested. Heck, I was treated for hours and hours at the ER back in the late spring, with flu-like symptoms...my left lung was barely functioning. After several rounds of breathing treatments (no, I've NEVER needed a breathing treatment in my entire life), I was ok to leave -- WITH an inhaler, steroids, and other meds. No flu test. Girl in room next to mine at the ER had similar complaints. They didn't test her either.

But this isn't unusual, really. When youngest dd was 1 yr old, she ended up hospitalized with "flu-like illness." She was not tested either. The hospital's reasoning bback then: They were nearly full on the peds floor. If they tested the flu kids, they could only put 2 kids into 1 room if they had the SAME strain. By not testing, they could toss them all into rooms for having "the same thing."

At 3am, when they tried to give us a roommate, I fought tooth and nail. LAST thing I needed was for dd to get the OTHER strain of flu while hospitalized with the first one. I wonder if not testing now, at least around here, is for that reason once again.

Ohio is not testing because our wonderful Director Alvin D Jackson, MD, decide that the Swine flu was no longer a Novel virus, could not be called that anymore and was no longer a reportable disease. The only testing that can be done is if they are a pediatric hospitalization or part of a cluster being investigated. However, how they will know it is a cluster without testing before hand is beyond me. See his Memo, Journal Entry and Testing Algorithm linked on this page http://www.odh.ohio.gov/landing/phs_emergency/swineflu.aspx

It's enough to make you spittin' mad.
Second thought -here is the journal entry
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Preparing for the second wave: lessons from current outbreaks

Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 briefing note 9

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/notes/h1n1_second_wave_20090828/en/index.html

28 AUGUST 2009 | GENEVA -- Monitoring of outbreaks from different parts of the world provides sufficient information to make some tentative conclusions about how the influenza pandemic might evolve in the coming months.

WHO is advising countries in the northern hemisphere to prepare for a second wave of pandemic spread. Countries with tropical climates, where the pandemic virus arrived later than elsewhere, also need to prepare for an increasing number of cases.

Countries in temperate parts of the southern hemisphere should remain vigilant. As experience has shown, localized “hot spots” of increasing transmission can continue to occur even when the pandemic has peaked at the national level.

H1N1 now the dominant virus strain

Evidence from multiple outbreak sites demonstrates that the H1N1 pandemic virus has rapidly established itself and is now the dominant influenza strain in most parts of the world. The pandemic will persist in the coming months as the virus continues to move through susceptible populations.

Close monitoring of viruses by a WHO network of laboratories shows that viruses from all outbreaks remain virtually identical. Studies have detected no signs that the virus has mutated to a more virulent or lethal form.

Likewise, the clinical picture of pandemic influenza is largely consistent across all countries. The overwhelming majority of patients continue to experience mild illness. Although the virus can cause very severe and fatal illness, also in young and healthy people, the number of such cases remains small. {20% -30%of all cases is not "small"}

Large populations susceptible to infection

While these trends are encouraging, large numbers of people in all countries remain susceptible to infection. Even if the current pattern of usually mild illness continues, the impact of the pandemic during the second wave could worsen as larger numbers of people become infected.

Larger numbers of severely ill patients requiring intensive care are likely to be the most urgent burden on health services, creating pressures that could overwhelm intensive care units and possibly disrupt the provision of care for other diseases.

Monitoring for drug resistance

At present, only a handful of pandemic viruses resistant to oseltamivir have been detected worldwide, despite the administration of many millions of treatment courses of antiviral drugs. All of these cases have been extensively investigated, and no instances of onward transmission of drug-resistant virus have been documented to date. Intense monitoring continues, also through the WHO network of laboratories.

Not the same as seasonal influenza

Current evidence points to some important differences between patterns of illness reported during the pandemic and those seen during seasonal epidemics of influenza.

The age groups affected by the pandemic are generally younger. This is true for those most frequently infected, and especially so for those experiencing severe or fatal illness.

To date, most severe cases and deaths have occurred in adults under the age of 50 years, with deaths in the elderly comparatively rare. This age distribution is in stark contrast with seasonal influenza, where around 90% of severe and fatal cases occur in people 65 years of age or older.

Severe respiratory failure

Perhaps most significantly, clinicians from around the world are reporting a very severe form of disease, also in young and otherwise healthy people, which is rarely seen during seasonal influenza infections. In these patients, the virus directly infects the lung, causing severe respiratory failure. Saving these lives depends on highly specialized and demanding care in intensive care units, usually with long and costly stays.

During the winter season in the southern hemisphere, several countries have viewed the need for intensive care as the greatest burden on health services. Some cities in these countries report that nearly 15 percent of hospitalized cases have required intensive care.

Preparedness measures need to anticipate this increased demand on intensive care units, which could be overwhelmed by a sudden surge in the number of severe cases.

Vulnerable groups

An increased risk during pregnancy is now consistently well-documented across countries. This risk takes on added significance for a virus, like this one, that preferentially infects younger people.

Data continue to show that certain medical conditions increase the risk of severe and fatal illness. These include respiratory disease, notably asthma, cardiovascular disease, diabetes and immunosuppression.

When anticipating the impact of the pandemic as more people become infected, health officials need to be aware that many of these predisposing conditions have become much more widespread in recent decades, thus increasing the pool of vulnerable people.

Obesity, which is frequently present in severe and fatal cases, is now a global epidemic. WHO estimates that, worldwide, more than 230 million people suffer from asthma, and more than 220 million people have diabetes.

Moreover, conditions such as asthma and diabetes are not usually considered killer diseases, especially in children and young adults. Young deaths from such conditions, precipitated by infection with the H1N1 virus, can be another dimension of the pandemic’s impact.
 
Ohio is not testing because our wonderful Director Alvin D Jackson, MD, decide that the Swine flu was no longer a Novel virus, could not be called that anymore and was no longer a reportable disease. The only testing that can be done is if they are a pediatric hospitalization or part of a cluster being investigated. However, how they will know it is a cluster without testing before hand is beyond me. See his Memo, Journal Entry and Testing Algorithm linked on this page http://www.odh.ohio.gov/landing/phs_emergency/swineflu.aspx

It's enough to make you spittin' mad.
Second thought -here is the journal entry
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It seems wierd, but he's correct. A 'novel' virus is one that hasn't previously affected people. Therefore, everyone that is exposed to it is likely to catch it. This H1N1 flu, on the other hand, is basically the same bug that ran around this past spring. Therefore, there are many people who have previously been exposed to it and will not catch it if they are exposed again.

It's still a pandemic and lots of people will get it. Some of them will even die. Still, it's no longer 'novel'.

It should be noted that, as mentioned in the letter that you posted, it will still be reported. All influenza-associated hospitalizations and influenza-associated pediatric mortality will continue to be reported in accordance with Ohio Code as cited in the referenced letter. They are able to track the progress of the flu by tracking hospitalizations. They don't need to track each non-hospitalized case for this.
 
I am going to respectfully disagree with you.

If your child has diabetes, asthma, immune disorders, kidney disease, lung impairment, chronic or congenital disabilities of various kinds, you would want to know that this virus is in the school system BEFORE IT IS YOUR CHILD IN THE HOSPITAL. It is about protecting our students who have those underlying medical conditions that cause morbidity and mortality. Last year's flu was worrisome, this one is deadly. There is a difference. This flu kills a younger population than last year's seasonal flu. Argue with me all you want, but that fact is a fact.
 
sbell111, do you live in Ohio? I too respectfully disagree with your agreement with Alvin Jackson's decisions. I just fail to see why they would not want to test (other than time and money) so this virus can be controlled in schools, hospitals, especially.
I have two DDs at high risk, and I would not want them to be "some of them will even die" because precautions that could be taken aren't.

DS' high school is adressing H1N1 and taking precautions, communicating with home, etc.
DDs' school is not....
 
I am not disagreeing with all of you about the desire for testing; I, too, want information. But the truth of the matter is that the rapid flu test is not a reliable test. With a 40-50% false negative rate, the test does not provide good information. False negatives lead to a false sense of security and a low estimation of how widespread this truly is.

I wish they would quit giving numbers at all (with the exception of hospitalized cases and deaths) because the numbers they are giving are so distorted. I saw on our news yesterday that around 300 people in Tennessee have had swine flu. Based on what I have been told by my doctor and what I am personally seeing in my community, that number is grossly underestimated. That is only the number of tests that have been sent off to a lab and been confirmed as swine flu. I personally know 30+ people who have had confirmed influenza A cases or probable cases, and schools are closing near us because of high absenteeism (up to 35% of students absent), so I can only imagine how many have had it state wide.

I think that all of us need to accept that the flu is here. It is in our schools and in our communities, and it is spreading rapidly. If you or your child are high-risk (and I am, so I am speaking to myself), now is the time to decide what precautions you need to take. We cannot base our decisions solely on the results of rapid tests--this is not helpful because the results could give us a false sense of security and misinformation.

ETA: These links discuss the pitfalls of rapids tests.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/health/06flu.html

http://www.kpho.com/health/20437765/detail.html
 
I am going to respectfully disagree with you.

If your child has diabetes, asthma, immune disorders, kidney disease, lung impairment, chronic or congenital disabilities of various kinds, you would want to know that this virus is in the school system BEFORE IT IS YOUR CHILD IN THE HOSPITAL. It is about protecting our students who have those underlying medical conditions that cause morbidity and mortality. Last year's flu was worrisome, this one is deadly. There is a difference. This flu kills a younger population than last year's seasonal flu. Argue with me all you want, but that fact is a fact.
Are you disagreeing with me?

Nothing in your post disagrees with anything in mine.
sbell111, do you live in Ohio? I too respectfully disagree with your agreement with Alvin Jackson's decisions. I just fail to see why they would not want to test (other than time and money) so this virus can be controlled in schools, hospitals, especially.
I have two DDs at high risk, and I would not want them to be "some of them will even die" because precautions that could be taken aren't.

DS' high school is adressing H1N1 and taking precautions, communicating with home, etc.
DDs' school is not....
I think that you have misread my post.

Whatever you and I feel about testing our children for the flu has no bearing on my previous post. I merely tried to further explain Dr. Jackson's decision.

While it is true that H1N1 is a cause for serious concern, it is no longer 'novel' in Dr. Jackson's professional opinion. You see, 'novel' is a term that is well defined. After a flu has initially spread, as this one did in the Spring, it can no longer be 'novel'. That was pretty much the entire point to my post. Well, that and the fact that even though the flu isn't 'novel' doesn't mean that it isn't still tracked. Ohio has clear laws that require reporting which allows epidemiologists to track the flu.

As to why they don't test, I believe that Laurie31 put it best in her post from yesterday afternoon. They don't test because they aren't going to do anything with the information. They can diagnose 'flu' without doing that test (which has tons of false results anyhow). Since the regular flu season is October through April, if someone is diagnosed with the flu today, it doesn't take a special test to figure that it's H1N1.

Finally, I do not live in Ohio. Why do you ask?
 
WHO warns of severe form of swine flu

2 hours 13 mins ago -- Reuters

Doctors are reporting a severe form of swine flu that goes straight to the lungs, causing severe illness in otherwise healthy young people and requiring expensive hospital treatment, the World Health Organisation said on Friday. Skip related content

Some countries are reporting that as many as 15 percent of patients infected with the new H1N1 pandemic virus need hospital care, further straining already overburdened healthcare systems, WHO said in an update on the pandemic.

Earlier, WHO reported that H1N1 had reached epidemic levels in Japan, signalling an early start to what may be a long influenza season this year, and that it was also worsening in tropical regions.

"Perhaps most significantly, clinicians from around the world are reporting a very severe form of disease, also in young and otherwise healthy people, which is rarely seen during seasonal influenza infections," WHO said.

"In these patients, the virus directly infects the lung, causing severe respiratory failure. Saving these lives depends on highly specialized and demanding care in intensive care units, usually with long and costly stays."
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20090828/tsc-uk-flu-pandemic-011ccfa.html



It is concerning that the virus is worsening in tropical regions- this is where viruses mutate the best-in tropical regions.
 
It should be noted that, as mentioned in the letter that you posted, it will still be reported. All influenza-associated hospitalizations and influenza-associated pediatric mortality will continue to be reported in accordance with Ohio Code as cited in the referenced letter. They are able to track the progress of the flu by tracking hospitalizations. They don't need to track each non-hospitalized case for this.

It won't be reported unless it's tested for. The hospitals, at least when people I personally know have gone to them, have chosen not to test. They call it a virus. They call it reactive airways secondary to a virus. They don't mention influenza at all...and certainly haven't been testing for it.
 
This is a pandemic. It is still a novel virus. We do not have herd immunity. Our bodies have not come in contact with a virus that is part swine, part avian and part human before. No, it is not the H5N1 that has a 60% fatality if not treated within the first 48 hours with antivirals. However, this is still serious.

Schools, businesses, governments have prepared their pandemic plans based on reported confirmed cases. A school can have 100 students out with ILI symptoms and yet claim they have no confirmed cases of Swine/H1N1 flu and therefore are not obligated to implement their plans or close their schools nor even inform parents that this flu is in the school.

Because this flu does not act like the seasonal flu I think we should not treat it like is the seasonal flu. If you do not test for it, there can be no confirmed cases. And I don't mean with the rapid flu test. THAT test is designed for Type A seasonal flu. It does not test well for this pandemic flu. The samples must be sent to a lab that can test for this flu virus. If there are no confirmed cases, plans do not need to be activated. Treatment should not depend on confirmation. Treatment should begin as soon as possible. The confirmation is for counting purposes.

Anyway, I'm not hear to change anyone's mind about testing. I wanted to give the facts, not my opinions. Sorry about that. Although I will still keep my not very kind thoughts about Ohio's methods out there. ;) I won't reiterate them.
 
This is a pandemic. It is still a novel virus. We do not have herd immunity. Our bodies have not come in contact with a virus that is part swine, part avian and part human before. No, it is not the H5N1 that has a 60% fatality if not treated within the first 48 hours with antivirals. However, this is still serious.

Schools, businesses, governments have prepared their pandemic plans based on reported confirmed cases. A school can have 100 students out with ILI symptoms and yet claim they have no confirmed cases of Swine/H1N1 flu and therefore are not obligated to implement their plans or close their schools nor even inform parents that this flu is in the school.

Because this flu does not act like the seasonal flu I think we should not treat it like is the seasonal flu. If you do not test for it, there can be no confirmed cases. And I don't mean with the rapid flu test. THAT test is designed for Type A seasonal flu. It does not test well for this pandemic flu. The samples must be sent to a lab that can test for this flu virus. If there are no confirmed cases, plans do not need to be activated. Treatment should not depend on confirmation. Treatment should begin as soon as possible. The confirmation is for counting purposes.

Anyway, I'm not hear to change anyone's mind about testing. I wanted to give the facts, not my opinions. Sorry about that. Although I will still keep my not very kind thoughts about Ohio's methods out there. ;) I won't reiterate them.

I agree with your thoughts 100%.

The sad reality is, however, that this will not happen because they lack the manpower and because of the cost. Too many people already have it; the testing facilities could never process it all. In light of this, schools, businesses, and governments should not activate their plans based on confirmed results, but rather on illness rates that are out of line with the norm for this time of year (of course, no official person has asked my opinion).

In our area, this is already happening. Some individual schools are closing when they reach a certain percentage, even if the absences are not "official" swine flu cases. Surely this will become a more common practice as it spreads. We have not received an official word from our school that students have it, but we know they do. One of my son's best friends has it now (confirmed Influenza A).

Anyway, I completely agree with your thoughts. I wish they could count every case, but I understand why they can't. If the predictions are correct, they would have to process enough tests to cover 30-50 percent of 300 million people in the coming weeks and months. That's a lot of tests (I'll let someone else do the math)!
 
Flu spreading at 'unbelievable' rate
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26000408-12335,00.html
August 29, 2009

SWINE flu spreads four times faster than other viruses and 40 per cent of the fatalities are young adults in good health, the world's top health official says.

"This virus travels at an unbelievable, almost unheard of speed," World Health Organisation Director General Margaret Chan told France's Le Monde daily in an interview.

"In six weeks it travels the same distance that other viruses take six months to cover," Ms Chan said.

"Sixty per cent of the deaths cover those who have underlying health problems," Ms Chan said.

"This means that 40 per cent of the fatalities concern young adults - in good health - who die of a viral fever in five to seven days.

"This is the most worrying fact," she said, adding that "up to 30 per cent of people in densely populated countries risked getting infected."

More than 2180 people around the world have died from the virus since it was uncovered in April.

Some tropical countries are already reporting strains on their healthcare systems amid surges in infections.

Ms Chan also said that it could be months before sufficient vaccine is available to combat the pandemic.

She put world production capacity at 900 million doses a year, for a global population of 6.8 billion people.

Even if this was an unprecedented effort, and authorities were speeding up procedures for getting vaccines to the market, there should be no question of compromises on their safety and effectiveness, Ms Chan said.
 
Commentary

Swine Flu Sticker Shock
Recombinomics Commentary 15:08
August 28, 2009

"We probably had four or five guys that eventually had the flu and haven't been at practice. And you had four or five other guys who sort of had the upper respiratory thing without the fever - and really not the flu - and they've been able to manage their way through it."

This year's widespread flu outbreak has become a problem for football teams at all levels across the South. High schools teams are considering canceling games in several states.

Ole Miss cancelled a fan day. Tulane had more than 20 players miss practice last week because of a flu outbreak on the team. The Green Wave's team physician, Greg Stewart, told the Tulane Rivals' site WaveReport.com that, "It's an average of five days, usually," for the virus to work its way out of the system.

"We're very hopeful that this does not become an issue for college football or sports this fall," Saban said. "Hopefully, the management things we're doing will help us not have an issue or a problem."

The above comments on swine flu at the University of Alabama begin to describe the extent of pandemic H1N1 (swine flu) at schools throughout the United States, with similar issues throughout the northern hemisphere. The students and parents are experiencing "sticker shock" when they realize that swine flu is widespread and spreading rapidly (see map), leading to 10-20% absenteeism, even though agency reports and media stories have largely disappeared over the summer. Although there were reports of outbreaks at summer camps, most assumed these were isolated incidents. The CDC had ceased reporting cases in daily or weekly updates. Instead on August 5 they switched to national aggregate numbers for hospitalized and fatal cases. State agencies followed suit. Many even stopped reporting fatal cases, and instead linked to aggregated CDC numberss. This information dearth led to a dramatic reduction in media coverage, leading to the widespread belief that swine flu had largely "disappeared".

However, the start of the school year created an environment where spreading cases could not be denied. Even though most states had ceased testing mild cases and limited testing to hospitalized or clustered cases, the flu-like conditions were hard to miss. Moreover, since seasonal flu was virtually non-existent in August, almost all influenza infections were swine flu, even though many school administrators and nurses erroneously interpreted an influenza A positive result as "normal" or seasonal flu (over 99% of influenza A positive patients in August have swine flu).

Similarly many also assumed that swine flu was associated with fever, due in part to the fever association with seasonal flu, as well as CDC documents (see table showing 93% of hospitalized H1N1 patients had fever), and guidelines which emphasized fever as a determination of who should not come to school, as well as a marker as to when students could return to school. However, over 50% of swine flu infections do not produce fever, so many infected students remain in school, thinking they do not have swine flu (and health departments refuse to test students for H1N1 because they have no fever).

Moreover, as noted above, infected students without fever are assumed to have an "upper respiratory infection" that is not swine flu. Others are said to have strep throat or a "stomach virus", even though swine flu produces a sore throat and gastro-intestinal problems. Thus, even when 10-20% of students are infected with H1N1, administrators and nurse assume that many of the ill students are not infected with H1N1, and are ill because of other microorganisms. The same is true for students who do not have fevers. They assume that they don't have H1N1 and are not infectious, so they attend school.

In addition, the spread may be facilitated by Tamiflu resistant H1N1, which some student take prophylatically when roommates are ill, or take Tamiflu to shorten recovery times. Similarly, some schools are recommending prophylactic Relenza, but most still rely on Tamiflu as a first line drug.

Thus, it is likely that the H1N1 will continue to spread, as more schools open for the fall and levels within the schools reach critical mass.

It is likely that the explosion of cases will impact sporting events, as teams will have too many ill players to field a team.

The cancellation of these games is likely to produce a new wave of "sticker shock".
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