Swine Flu - General Discussion and how it affects Disney

OK, on a roller coaster of emotions here. I really should stop reading these threads. One minute I feel enthused by some to go (trip in 13 days), the next minute, terrified.

The only thing that is swaying me on the going side, is that Tamiflu is working well, but this has lead to me to worry what we would do out there if we did suspect one of us had it.

Does anyone know what we would do in that circumstance? We are staying offsite. Where do we go? Who do we contact? We are from the UK and have had no experience with the US health system

I know Tamiflu only works if taken early on in the illness, so I know spead is of the essence.
 
IMO its a bunch of media hyped chicken little approach much like the past avian flu scare the media perpetrated. News is fine, hype thats just vomit.
 
One more thing:

Our DS is 4 months old. Can he have Tamiflu?

Also, they can't possibly give Tamiflu to everyone who turns up at a Drs in Orlando with the start of a cold. How will they know who has a cold, flu or swine flu?

I am terrified that we will have the start of it, and request Tamiflu, but will be turned down because a: they think it's a cold or b: they are running low on Tamiflu and need to start being ruthless.

HELP!!!!
 
I have not heard any medical authority refer to this flu as "mild". On the contrary,this is precisely why they are trying to be very serious about this, so that you move your thinking from "it's just the flu" to someone who takes it seriously. The WHO raising their alert to Level 5 is not a farce, not a conspiracy. Please, if you feel ill with even what you determine is just the "flu" don't infect others that could possibly be immune compromised or who it may affect worse than yourself. We can stop this if we take it seriously, but do not panic. :goodvibes

I wasn't saying that the WHO Level 5 is a farce, I'm saying that the level is of little importance to us in the USA. That level is an indicator for countries around the world who DO NOT have the virus yet on how to proceed with their preparations for the outbreak. Since the USA already has this strain we are no longer concerned with the WHO levels. CDC levels, yes, but not WHO. The WHO is designed to protect the world, and their concern now is for the 3rd world countries. The move to level 5 puts the rest of the world on notice that this will be coming to their borders and they need to prepare. It does not mean, however, that this strain is any more virulent than it was. Just as a downgrade in levels would not indicate it is any less virulent.
 

OK, on a roller coaster of emotions here. I really should stop reading these threads. One minute I feel enthused by some to go (trip in 13 days), the next minute, terrified.

The only thing that is swaying me on the going side, is that Tamiflu is working well, but this has lead to me to worry what we would do out there if we did suspect one of us had it.

Does anyone know what we would do in that circumstance? We are staying offsite. Where do we go? Who do we contact? We are from the UK and have had no experience with the US health system

I know Tamiflu only works if taken early on in the illness, so I know spead is of the essence.


I'm sorry for your situation, I'd hate to be coming that far and have it all up in the air. I'd say play it day by day and see where this goes. It might blow up, it might die down so eventhough your trip is in 2 weeks I'd say hold off on making a decision. And healthcare is fairly easy to find here-urgent care clinics, etc-and Disney would help you find help. All you would need is the Tamiflu or the Relenza and bedrest and stay away from everyone. Hope that helps?!
 
I refuse to be scared over this. I will continue to wash my hands many times a day as I normally do already.

As for Disney...I'm sure they have already considered this and are doing what they can do.
 
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One more thing:

Our DS is 4 months old. Can he have Tamiflu?

Also, they can't possibly give Tamiflu to everyone who turns up at a Drs in Orlando with the start of a cold. How will they know who has a cold, flu or swine flu?

I am terrified that we will have the start of it, and request Tamiflu, but will be turned down because a: they think it's a cold or b: they are running low on Tamiflu and need to start being ruthless.

HELP!!!!

Thy will give you an influenza test and the current guidelines say that if you test pos for A, they are to treat you with an antiviral such as Tamiflu or Relenza.
 
OK, on a roller coaster of emotions here. I really should stop reading these threads. One minute I feel enthused by some to go (trip in 13 days), the next minute, terrified.

The only thing that is swaying me on the going side, is that Tamiflu is working well, but this has lead to me to worry what we would do out there if we did suspect one of us had it.

Does anyone know what we would do in that circumstance? We are staying offsite. Where do we go? Who do we contact? We are from the UK and have had no experience with the US health system

I know Tamiflu only works if taken early on in the illness, so I know spread is of the essence.


Katy just make sure your family washes there hands and keeps clean. If you think you or your family is sick id go up to someone at customer service and they should be able to help you seek medical attention. Disney is used to having travelers all over the world so i am sure they will find you some help.

People die from the regular flu hundreds of time a year, dont worry your self. ENJOY your trip!!!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_influenza
"Experts agree that hand-washing can help prevent viral infections, including ordinary influenza and the new swine flu virus. Influenza can spread in coughs or sneezes, but an increasing body of evidence shows little particles of virus can linger on tabletops, telephones and other surfaces and be transferred via the fingers to the mouth, nose or eyes. Alcohol-based gel or foam hand sanitizers work well to destroy viruses and bacteria. Anyone with flu-like symptoms such as a sudden fever, cough or muscle aches should stay away from work or public transportation and should see a doctor to be tested."
 
One more thing:

Our DS is 4 months old. Can he have Tamiflu?

Also, they can't possibly give Tamiflu to everyone who turns up at a Drs in Orlando with the start of a cold. How will they know who has a cold, flu or swine flu?

I am terrified that we will have the start of it, and request Tamiflu, but will be turned down because a: they think it's a cold or b: they are running low on Tamiflu and need to start being ruthless.

HELP!!!!

If you can get it to bring with you I would do that. You can get liquid for children(not sure of age you can take) and ask the Pharmacy not to mix with water but to give you instructions for doing it if needed. There is a minor med clinic close which we have used but in a normal day it was very busy and a long wait. You can request a doctor to your room, very expensive but it might be a relief to know this is an option in case of an emergency.
 
Ok, I am posting this here for informational purposes only. Not to create more panic. I know there are all types on this board (obviously!) the naysayers and the we're all gonna die people. I am writing from one of the hardest hit areas. Our city created precedent yesterday by closing all of the local school districts. I posted their link earlier. Now I received this forwarded email from an ER doc at our local hospital. While I cannot vouch for his accuracy I can state he treated me for an infection 4 years ago and does not seem to be someone who would sensationalize this problem. Here is the email with some good homeopathic tips included:

Thought this was very good information for you and Jim to have. This is
beginning to look very serious.
Governor Perry had a press conference mid-day and updated the level of
response to pandemic.
The last couple of bullets below suggest some homeopathic and supplement
information that we are all starting on today.


I will keep you updated as Marc sends me information.
Although he is not at the Hospital today, Heather said he has been in
constant contact with the doctors on duty and will probably have to go
back in they are so overrun. They have confirmed 80 cases today. The
CDC alerted them to classify any A positives on the flu test as H1N1
swine flu.


C



Begin forwarded message:








After I returned from a public health meeting yesterday with community
leaders and school officials in Comal County, Heather suggested I send
an update to everyone, because what we are hearing privately from the
CDC and Health Department is so different from what you are hearing in
the media. Some of you know some or maybe all of this, but I will just
list what facts I know.


- The virus is infectious for about 2 days prior to symptom onset
- Virus sheds more than 7 days after symptom onset (possibly as long as
9 days) (this is unusual)
- Since it is such a novel (new) virus, there is no "herd immunity," so
the "attack rate" is very high. This is the percentage of people who
come down with a virus if exposed. Almost everyone who is exposed to
this virus will become infected, though not all will be symptomatc. That
is much higher than seasonal flu, which averages 10-15%. The "clinical
attack rate" may be around 40-50%. This is the number of people who show
symptoms. This is a huge number. It is hard to convey the seriousness of
this.
- The virulence (deadliness) of this virus is as bad here as in Mexico,
and there are folks on ventilators here in the US, right now. This has
not been in the media, but a 23 month old near here is fighting for his
life, and a pregnant woman just south of San Antonio is fighting for her
life. In Mexico, these folks might have died already, but here in the
US, folks are getting Tamiflu or Relenza quickly, and we have ready
access to ventilators. What this means is that within a couple of weeks,
regional hospitals will likely become overwhelmed.
- Some of the kids with positive cases in Comal County had more than 70
contacts before diagnosis.
- There are 10-25 times more actual cases (not "possible" cases --
actual), than what is being reported in the media. The way they fudge on
reporting this is that it takes 3 days to get the confirmatory nod from
the CDC on a given viral culture, but based on epidemiological grounds,
we know that there are more than 10 cases for each "confirmed" case
right now.
- During the night, we crossed the threshold for the definition of a
WHO, Phase 6 global pandemic. This has not happened in any of our
lifetimes so far. We are in uncharted territory.
- I expect President Obama will declare an emergency sometime in the
next 72-96 hours. This may not happen, but if it doesn't, I will be
surprised. When this happens, all public gathering will be cancelled for
10 days.
- I suggest all of us avoid public gatherings. Outdoor activities are
not as likely to lead to infection. It is contained areas and close
contact that are the biggest risk.
- Tamiflu is running out. There is a national stockpile, but it will
have to be carefully managed, as it is not enough to treat the likely
number of infections when this is full-blown. I don't think there is a
big supply of Relenza, but I do not know those numbers. If I had to
choose, I would take Relenza, as I think it gets more drug to the
affected tissue than Tamiflu.
- You should avoid going to the ER if you think you have been exposed or
are symptomatic. ER's south of here are becoming overwhelmed -- and I
mean that -- already. It is coming in waves, but the waves are getting
bigger.
- It appears that this flu produces a distinctive "hoarseness" in many
victims. The symptoms, in general, match other flu's; namely, sore
throat, body aches, headache, cough, and fever. Some have all these
symptoms, while others may have only one or two.
- N-Acetyl-Cysteine -- a nutritional supplement available at the health
food store or Wimberley Pharmacy, has been shown to prevent or lessen
the severity of influenza. I suggest 1200mg, twice a day for adults, and
600mg twice a day in kids over 12. It would be hard to get kids under 12
to take it, but you could try opening the capsules and putting it on
yogurt. For 40 pounds and up, 300-600 mg twice a day, for less than 40
pounds, half that.
- Oscillococinum, a homeopathic remedy, has been vindicated as quite
effective in a large clinical trial in Europe, with an H1N1 variant. You
can buy this at Hill Country Natural Foods, or the Wimberley Pharmacy.




I will try to keep everyone posted if I have any new information.
Meanwhile, don't be afraid just avoid infection. The fewer people
infected the easier it will be for our public officials to manage it.

The threads just all merged. :scared1: It is hard to see what responses follow certain posts.

This was posted last night and has been discussed on one of the Swine Flu threads, just wanted to post it again for those that are just joining the swine flu discussion group.

Welcome, all!
 
As much as I like our VP, I think that was very irresponsible of him, in light of the fact that the President himself told everyone last night on National TV that while we need to be cautions, we should not be alarmed. Mr. Biden should've chosen his words more carefully.

I :lovestruc: Joe Biden--- but wow, I'm really surprised he made that statement! Talk about putting people into panic mode! I was watching MSNBC, and the group on Morning Joe --- all did the jaw drop when they realized what he said. To me, it's Biden being Biden !
 
Can anyone confirm or deny this information about the swine flu in 1976? I just heard that the strain actually weakened after it was passed to the 3rd person or something like that? There's a guy on the radio I'm listening to right now who thinks that may be a reason for the deaths in Mexico but not anywhere else. He seems to believe that the initial strain was powerful, but, in order to pass from human to human it mutated into something a lot weaker. Something to do with natural selection. Interesting.

That's what I read as well. Only one death to swine flu in '76, but a few hundred allegedly died from the vaccine--- apparently there was a problem with it.
 
Again WRONG ~ the swine flu from the 70's was a different strain entirely. This is a brand new virus and nobody ~ the WHO, CDC or your local Doc can predict what it can do or what it will do. This has a mix of genetic material ~ it has some swine flu, some bird flu and some human flu all mixed together. They have never seen this before. NO human has any immunity from it. If you come into contact with it, you will catch it.


Actually, this isn't quit true. While we lack specific immunity, we still have non-specific immunity which can, for some, be enough to ward off a virus, even with the lack of specific immunity. Not everyone exposed to this flu will contract it. Some will be able to fight it off with non-specific defenses. We can be exposed to pathogens for which we have no specific immunity and still fight off the pathogen. Or, sometimes,we are exposed and our non-specific immunity is able to keep the infection at a subclinical level, fights it off, and we then develop immunity (in the form of anitbodies and memory B and T cells) that keep us from contracting the same illness again.
 
You can't believe anything Biden says anyway. He has already proven to be a big fat liar.

Uh oh, you're getting a little political here! I doubt this post will last, but I don't see how someone giving their opinion about whether they would want family flying right now would be considered a "lie". I would tend to believe an off-the-cuff statement by someone who tends to make these a lot more than I would believe the "official statement" on the subject. Obviously it is not in the country's best economic interest to have everyone stop flying/traveling right now. That is most likely what the "official statement" will reflect at this time. Doesn't mean it isn't in the individual's best interest not to fly right now. No one knows...
 
OK, so far I bet more people have died in automobile crashes in the USA within 24 hours than from the swine flu over the last two weeks. The current news media in its omnipressant glory :lmao:. Go on be afraid be very afraid ... the Russians are coming. It's fine to prepare and be prepared, but this is becoming a soap box spectacle. I would have expected that we would have had reports from Mexico by now that people were dying in the thousands if this was a supervirulent bug.
 
Why would the same family that has flu-like symptoms, in one scenario stay in their hotel room and in another go to the parks? What circumstance is different other than having a script for tamiflu? Why would have not having a script make a family with flu-like symptoms go to the parks when they would otherwise stay in their hotel room? I don;'t understand the question... :confused3

I agree. Obviously the question is made up to make up a situation where the reaction is exactly the opposite of each other.

But, in partial response, I choose neither. If someone fills prescriptions for anti viral meds when they may, or may not need them, and uses them, they are depleting a drug that most pharmacies do not carry in huge supply. No reason to deplete the drug if it is not needed.

I want someone with flu like symptoms to go get checked by a doctor and follow their recommendations. Simple as that.
 
Uh oh, you're getting a little political here! I doubt this post will last, but I don't see how someone giving their opinion about whether they would want family flying right now would be considered a "lie". I would tend to believe an off-the-cuff statement by someone who tends to make these a lot more than I would believe the "official statement" on the subject. Obviously it is not in the country's best economic interest to have everyone stop flying/traveling right now. That is most likely what the "official statement" will reflect at this time. Doesn't mean it isn't in the individual's best interest not to fly right now. No one knows...

I am very sorry if I offended. It was a poor attempt at a joke on this very poorly managed thread. Everyone needs to take a chill pill and just use common sense until things get worse.

Sorry again!
 
Just want to thank the mods for merging all of the many swine flu threads into 1. Makes reading the forum a lot easier! :thumbsup2
 

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