Survivor: Nicaragua Wed, Sept 15**No Spoilers**

I found it shocking that they didn't get rid of Marty. I understand the reasoning behind getting rid of Kelly B, but that could have been done later - almost everyone playing the game knows that they don't want to be in the finale with her. She was willing to vote the way Brenda was telling her and she's not a schemer. She should have stuck around and be used like Dan - someone it will be easy to vote out when you have to sacrifice someone from your own alliance.

When they revealed that Dan talks alot about his three houses and six cars, that gave a lot of insight into why they are keeping him around as well.

Once Marty didn't use the immunity idol (didn't he look like he was going to have a heart attack?), they should have gotten rid of him. Because now he's safe for another tribal council where he can use the idol - that's 6 more days - maybe enough to get to a merge where he will be dangerous.

I like to see Brenda and Marty really playing their games, I just don't think they're seeing big picture yet.
 
Once Marty didn't use the immunity idol (didn't he look like he was going to have a heart attack?).

He was visibly sweating (a key symptom of having a heart attack). I bet he was having heart palpitations too.
 
I am at a complete loss at the stupidity of the people playing this season. Brenda had a good plan. Split the vote to flush the idol. If Marty plays it, it is eliminated from the game (at least temporarily), and Kelly goes home. He didn't play it, so the logical next step would be to vote him off, which would eliminate the idol from the game.
Now you still have an idol in play, and the guy that has it knows you are gunning for him. Brenda put a big target on her back, if Marty can somehow swing some people to his side she might not be around long. But that's a big if.
 
I stand with my earlier post. This is the biggest group of Survivor dummies ever. :rolleyes:
 

Jeff's blog:

I’M SO CONFUSED…

Two people were sent home, and from my vantage point they were the wrong two people. More on that later.

DOUBLE ELIMINATION INSIGHT
Let me explain why we have to have double tribal councils. When the show first started we had 16 contestants. That is still the perfect number if you want to vote one person out each week and have a final two scenario at the last tribal council. To be clear — we LOVE starting with sixteen people.

Here’s the problem. Over the years, contestants have become okay with quitting. After Osten did it back in the Pearl Islands, it became acceptable to quit. Well, a quit really screws us up because then we don’t have enough people to finish the season. So, in an effort to make sure the game can play fairly and without interruption, we started bringing more people.

If you bring 18 people, which we have done, you have to consider the fact that you’ll have an uneven number of men and women on each tribe.

So, that often leads you to bringing 20 people. Twenty people is great because even if people quit, you are okay because you brought more people than you needed.

The two problems with 20 people are:
1. It’s a lot of people for the audience to get to know.
2. At some point you have to get rid of the extra players.

That’s where the double tribal councils come into play. To keep it a bit more fair, we now offer everybody a chance to win individual immunity, so you do have a shot to keep yourself in the game. But obviously if you’re the one in trouble, then you hate this facet of the game.

So anytime we have 20 people you can expect to see at least one double-elimination at some point.

Okay let’s review the four options for the vote:

DAN WANTS TO QUIT
Dan wants to quit. That should be enough. But this is Survivor and sometimes even though somebody wants to quit, their vote is too valuable to let them leave. But with Dan he’s also a major liability in challenges. On top of that he doesn’t help out much around camp. What are you doing keeping him in the game? Let him quit! Or equally effective, vote him out! They did neither.

QUIT CHIP NECKLACE
I understand that Dan has had enough. He’s been successful in life. He’s proven to himself that he can get out here and hack it and so now he wants to go home. Fine. But here’s my wish… I wish we had a “Quit Chip Necklace” that every contestant had to wear. If you mention to someone that you want to quit, they have to pull off one of your chips. When you run out of chips, you have to go home. Period. You show up at a challenge, I see that you have no chips left, I take your buff, give you a friendly kick in the *** and send you on your way. Ah but that’s only a dream.

Here’s why it wouldn’t work – we hate it when people quit! We want you to stay in the game and play. We want you to try to win. We want you to make moves that improve your station in the game. We don’t want you to quit. Quitting sucks. Everybody regrets it and it just makes for a problem for us. So I would be shooting myself in the foot if I pressed for us to actually introduce the “Quit Chip Necklace.” But I do like the sound of it – much better than Medallion of Power.

MARTY IS A CHESS CHAMPION
I loved this. I always wish more people would play this game of making stuff up! Marty’s “Grand Master” play was fantastic. Brilliant to realize the age difference between him and Fabio almost guaranteed its success.

Everybody keeps saying Fabio is crazy, or maybe not the sharpest tool – but I wonder how crazy he really is? Is he playing everybody including us? That was my question from day one. I was never sure if his surfer boy responses were 100% genuine or a bit of a character he’s created. I’m guessing a bit of both.

Marty is a good strategist, he’s a threat in challenges, and he has the idol. He is an obvious target in this game. Plus he is on the wrong side of the numbers. That’s this biggest problem. If Marty had the numbers he’d be in the driver’s seat. But he doesn’t. So, if you have a chance to take him out then you do it, or at least get rid of the hidden immunity idol. That was the plan… but it didn’t play out that way.

KELLY B
I never really understood what happened with Kelly B. No idea why Naonka hated her so much and why the rest of the tribe shunned her. I don’t live out there on the beach with them so I miss a lot, but from the moment I met her she seemed like a very likable person who can clearly handle herself in challenges. Was it simply the threat of the artificial leg? Hard to know, but she didn’t seem to be a big threat at the moment.

YVE
Sometimes you just get off to a bad start. She never had a super strong alliance and the switch certainly didn’t help her. Yve was stuck in no man’s land.

Yve made a big mistake in sharing with Alina that she is tight with folks on the other tribe. Alina is smart. She “hears” things others don’t. In hindsight it was a mistake to share that with Alina. Man, Survivor is so difficult. You can never let your guard down. You have to think twice before speaking, you have to imagine what the best move for everybody else is and then make your move based on the assumption they’ll make their best move… it’s tough.

And yet, I still didn’t see Yve as a big enough threat to worry about right now.

SO WHAT HAPPENED?

SASH AND BRENDA
They seem to be playing a fairly smart game. They’re very good at strategy, but tonight they went way left of where I thought they were heading.

They wanted Marty out. They even lied at tribal council trying to throw Marty under the bus by saying it was his idea to vote out Jane. Brilliant. Their goal was to get rid of him and/or the idol.

LA FLOR TRIBAL COUNCIL – MARTY SURPRISES EVERYBODY
But Marty didn’t play the idol. Not playing the idol was a big, bold move and one that I respect. But because Sash and Brenda forced a tie and Marty didn’t play the idol in the first vote, he couldn’t use the idol in the tiebreaker. So they had him and the idol!! All they had to do was change their votes to Marty. But instead they voted Kelly B. I really don’t understand why Kelly B was seen as a bigger threat. Maybe I’ll ask them at the live show.

BYE KELLY B
Sometimes Survivor… just like life…isn’t fair.

MORE CONFUSION AT ESPADA TRIBAL COUNCIL
First Dan says he wants to quit, and then at Tribal Council he says he doesn’t. It can’t be as simple as not wanting to be seen as a quitter because he knows we already heard him tell Holly he wanted to quit. Hmm.

Dan is an interesting guy – he’s very combative but equally likable. I enjoyed Dan and he took a lot of grief from me, but he definitely sticks up for himself.

But come on…DAN IS A HUGE LIABILITY! He can’t run, jump, crawl, he can barely sit down for crying out loud. Likable? Yes. Helpful? No.

Why they voted out Yve instead of Dan is another mystery to me. I know there are many ways to play this game but I would have voted out MARTY and DAN tonight.

For LA FLOR , the Idol and Marty would be gone.
For ESPADA, their biggest liability would be gone.

Plus – two more “older” people would be gone from the game.

Ah who knows… maybe that’s why I host…

See ya next week.
 
I loved the insight into why the number of contestants was increased.

The only reason I can think of why they might have kept Marty was because they were still playing a team game and considered him the stronger player?




Nah.
 
I am at a complete loss at the stupidity of the people playing this season. Brenda had a good plan. Split the vote to flush the idol. If Marty plays it, it is eliminated from the game (at least temporarily), and Kelly goes home. He didn't play it, so the logical next step would be to vote him off, which would eliminate the idol from the game.
Now you still have an idol in play, and the guy that has it knows you are gunning for him. Brenda put a big target on her back, if Marty can somehow swing some people to his side she might not be around long. But that's a big if.

I agree. What was the point of spliting the votes. They could have just voted for Kelly in the first place. I'm not liking many of these players.:rolleyes:
 
Agree that was an epic fail on the part of the younger people trying to flush out the idol. Absolutely stupid not to get rid of Marty. Now he needs to completely rethink his game and try to build alliances, he won't trust anyone now.

Also he made a complete fool out of Brenda when they were going back and forth at tribal.
 
What a dumb move, it was their chance to get rid of Russell wanna be (making up stories) but they went for the poor girl with the artificial leg, poor girl, the whole time they were after her, so so unfair. They will be sorry for that.
 
What a dumb move, it was their chance to get rid of Russell wanna be (making up stories) but they went for the poor girl with the artificial leg, poor girl, the whole time they were after her, so so unfair. They will be sorry for that.

I liked Kelly but I don't feel bad for her. She wasn't playing the game, she really wasn't trying to make alliances, she had no strategy from what I could see other than to prove she wasn't a liability in the challenges. Sorry she got booted, she seemed nice, but game play was not strong.
 
I liked Kelly but I don't feel bad for her. She wasn't playing the game, she really wasn't trying to make alliances, she had no strategy from what I could see other than to prove she wasn't a liability in the challenges. Sorry she got booted, she seemed nice, but game play was not strong.

She was booted because of her leg, not because of any other reason, I think she played fine, she was doing ok in challenges, :confused3 just my thought.
 
She was booted because of her leg, not because of any other reason, I think she played fine, she was doing ok in challenges, :confused3 just my thought.
Yeah...I thought she was doing well in the challenges too. I thought I hear some of other tribemates talking about the "sympathy" vote at the end but I don't think anyone viewed her with sympathy.
 
Marty's chess story was hilarious :lmao: I agree with the person who said he made Brenda look silly at TC. I don't even know why she tried to pick a fight with him for.
 
I have to agree with those who thought that voting out Kelly B and keeping Marty was incredibly stupid. Kelly was no threat and Marty could be dangerous if he makes it to the merge.
 
I agree. What was the point of spliting the votes. They could have just voted for Kelly in the first place. I'm not liking many of these players.:rolleyes:

Exactly. If you wanted to get rid of Kelly, put all the votes in for her. You could have flushed the idol by making it seem like you were going after Marty. He plays it, but gets no votes. Kelly goes home, the idol is out, and you didn't alienate Marty.
Now, Idol still in play, Marty fells alienated, and you got Kelly out. Congrats, 1 out of 3 objectives accomplished.
 
Marty's chess story was hilarious :lmao: I agree with the person who said he made Brenda look silly at TC. I don't even know why she tried to pick a fight with him for.

SSB loved that chess part as well ... too funny!!!
 
She was booted because of her leg, not because of any other reason, I think she played fine, she was doing ok in challenges, :confused3 just my thought.

Yes she was booted b/c of her leg but what I'm saying is that she was not strategically playing the game. I saw no effort on her part to strategize or build alliances, she was just going with the flow, being a follower. Had she played the game harder (other than the challenges where she was strong) she might still be playing.

And maybe she was playing hard but the camera didn't show it. That's a possibility but from what I could see, she wasn't.
 
Yes she was booted b/c of her leg but what I'm saying is that she was not strategically playing the game. I saw no effort on her part to strategize or build alliances, she was just going with the flow, being a follower. Had she played the game harder (other than the challenges where she was strong) she might still be playing.

And maybe she was playing hard but the camera didn't show it. That's a possibility but from what I could see, she wasn't.

I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and say she got a bad edit. Jeff seemed to like her a lot, for some reason.
 












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