Survivor 50 Thread

[Mizzoufan]

It kinda seems like Christian was the perfect person to get that. I can't imagine anyone else but him getting it with comedic expression.

 

[QueenIsabella]

See, this is what I don't get about Rizzo the Rat: he thinks he's such an awesome player, best ever, just give him the crown. But, all he's doing is hiding behind Cirie with an idol that was given to him. You look at Joe, Stephanie, Ozzie, Johnathon--love 'em or hate 'em, they're putting themselves out there, working hard to earn rice for their tribe. Cirie is a great social player. What, exactly, is Rizzo bringing to the table? He can't even make fire! Even if he makes it to the end, who would vote for him over someone who worked for it? He's only there to be a goat, at this point.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

See, this is what I don't get about Rizzo the Rat: he thinks he's such an awesome player, best ever, just give him the crown. But, all he's doing is hiding behind Cirie with an idol that was given to him. You look at Joe, Stephanie, Ozzie, Johnathon--love 'em or hate 'em, they're putting themselves out there, working hard to earn rice for their tribe. Cirie is a great social player. What, exactly, is Rizzo bringing to the table? He can't even make fire! Even if he makes it to the end, who would vote for him over someone who worked for it? He's only there to be a goat, at this point.

I'm thinking he thinks if he gets far enough the bonds aspect might help him. He hasn't done nothing, I count Emily as someone in the limelight that hasn't done anything because all she's done is just tattle and be in nearly everyone's group rather than actual moves.

Rizo even if I'm not his biggest fan I think he's trying to play the "student" role, playing to the other player's ego (like Coach) or to their known talent (like Cirie), he was able to discern more quickly this time around he is outmatched in terms of popularity on this season and switched up his gameplay to be a more workable player to others so he could get into an alliance.

But he will need to actually make more moves if he wants to be seen as worthy for Survivor and that will mean IMO he will need to be able to take responsibility for taking out Cirie because Cirie has more on her sheet that she can prove if she makes it to the end, Rizo can't have her there at the final if he wants to win (at least IMO).

I do agree with you that the old Survivor players are putting a lot of effort in now and I really like them but they may be putting in the effort because they have to, being used to the older ways, up against their limitations in challenges (depending on the challenge as strength-based is different) and the new era survivor like they mentioned in the very early episodes showing how much you can do for the tribe isn't exactly what matters as much any more. Sure people want and need to eat, that fact will fly out the window if they can get rid of you, in the past you might have been seen more as the valuable member, these days valuable is largely around getting a person to the step they need in survivor before booting you off. The jury over time isn't nearly as grudgey as they used to be, but maybe with old era players on there er that could be a problem.

 

[Wood Nymph]

I think that this is the most exciting Survivor season to watch in a long time. The players aren't able to guess what is coming next. One of the things that I used to hate was when an unbreakable alliance was formed early in the game. The result was a very predictable ending. And it became boring. I like the move to 29 days. I also like the frequent shakeups that separate alliances.

I loved seeing Jeff participate in a challenge. It was fun to see how hard it was for him to play.

I think that Christian could have completed the puzzle in time if he had just laid the pieces on the deck before trying to complete it on the stand. It was a small puzzle with words on it. Spell the words and you got most of it. But I do think that it was a bit of a dirty trick from the producers.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I loved seeing Jeff participate in a challenge. It was fun to see how hard it was for him to play.

That was one of my fav parts so far this season, Jeff has been in there out in the sun just like the players but talking smack from the side is different than doing it with them. I loved that he was humble enough these days to pay homage to all the years of the challenges and attempt to do it himself. The flashback to him in the earlier days it's clear the years on the show have shifted his viewing of the players in a positive way.

 

[tjmw2727]

If he completed the puzzle, was voting then and there without talking to his alliance or knowing how to best strategically cast his vote really a reward?

Agree, that was also a risk IMHO!!

While a similar challenge has been done before I don't think you can compare difficulty level due to production and editing as well as the different puzzles.

By set up to fail, I felt that the advantage for succeeding was not comparable to the penalty for failing.

At least it was someone who went willingly and volunteered to take the risk, Joe could have "sent someone" to go against their will.

Looking forward to next week

edited for spelling

 

[Disneylover99]

See, this is what I don't get about Rizzo the Rat: he thinks he's such an awesome player, best ever, just give him the crown. But, all he's doing is hiding behind Cirie with an idol that was given to him. You look at Joe, Stephanie, Ozzie, Johnathon--love 'em or hate 'em, they're putting themselves out there, working hard to earn rice for their tribe. Cirie is a great social player. What, exactly, is Rizzo bringing to the table? He can't even make fire! Even if he makes it to the end, who would vote for him over someone who worked for it? He's only there to be a goat, at this point.

Like Cirie, Rizzo is also a great social player.

He’s likeable without being a threat. He’s very good at reading people. He’s a smooth talker. And there’s a strategy to every conversation he has. He seems a couple of steps ahead of most other players and when things don’t go his way, he quickly regroups and adapts.

If he can keep this up, he just might turn out to be one of the greatest players ever.

I think building relationships with people is more important than being strong and winning lots of challenges if you want votes at the end.

 

[The Mayor]

Was sad to see Christian go. Just for his entertainment value made watching him each week interesting. Especially his logical insights at tribals.

At first I was rooting for Jonathan but he seems all over the place lately and could wind up blowing his game. Rizzo has really grown on me this season and his game play, as mentioned by others above, is always adapting. It seems like him, and Cirie, are playing chess and the others are playing checkers. If he does pull this win off he would go down as one of the al time greats. I'm still surprised that they didn't get rid of him early, like Savanah, because none of them knew his game.

 

[Disneylover99]

Was sad to see Christian go. Just for his entertainment value made watching him each week interesting. Especially his logical insights at tribals.

At first I was rooting for Jonathan but he seems all over the place lately and could wind up blowing his game. Rizzo has really grown on me this season and his game play, as mentioned by others above, is always adapting. It seems like him, and Cirie, are playing chess and the others are playing checkers. If he does pull this win off he would go down as one of the al time greats. I'm still surprised that they didn't get rid of him early, like Savanah, because none of them knew his game.

I really did like the way Jonathan got Dee out a couple of weeks back. The way he came at her surprised me. But I don’t like the alliance of Jonathan, Stephanie and Joe. They just seem mean and spiteful together. They seemed so butt hurt over the way Devens used that fake idol at tribal. They’re just mad that he foiled their plans to possibly take him out.

I don’t think holding grudges is going to earn them many jury votes at the end.

 

[LKing]

It sounds like Rizo was pretty sick at the beginning. Exit interviews say that he was lying around and that medical checked on him several times. It sounds like others were treating him gently because he was weak. I'm guessing that the others didn't realize when he started feeling better or how much game play he was doing when he was down.

 

[prairie_girl]

Rules change.

At one time, there were no hidden idols.

There was a rule that there were to be no hidden idols?

Still cheering for a Cerie blindside..

 

[CynBeth]

I wish Devens had gone instead.

 

[declansdad]

There was a rule that there were to be no hidden idols?

Still cheering for a Cerie blindside..

No at one time there were no hidden idols. The game changes, people need to deal with it.

 

[Chirple]

No at one time there were no hidden idols. The game changes, people need to deal with it.

That is different than voting for oneself, which is an actual Survivor rule. Otherwise, all of the quitters would have done it. There was no fire making at final 4, and that got added; it wasn't an existing rule that changed.

It also took away Christian's ability to outwit the other players when he was required to read his outcome in front of everyone. He wasn't given an opportunity to create a narrative that might have worked for him. Even though I like Christian, I would be saying this in defense of anyone who ended up with the same situation.

 

[prairie_girl]

That is different than voting for oneself, which is an actual Survivor rule. Otherwise, all of the quitters would have done it. There was no fire making at final 4, and that got added; it wasn't an existing rule that changed.

It also took away Christian's ability to outwit the other players when he was required to read his outcome in front of everyone. He wasn't given an opportunity to create a narrative that might have worked for him. Even though I like Christian, I would be saying this in defense of anyone who ended up with the same situation.

Exactly the point I was making lol

 

[declansdad]

That is different than voting for oneself, which is an actual Survivor rule. Otherwise, all of the quitters would have done it. There was no fire making at final 4, and that got added; it wasn't an existing rule that changed.

It also took away Christian's ability to outwit the other players when he was required to read his outcome in front of everyone. He wasn't given an opportunity to create a narrative that might have worked for him. Even though I like Christian, I would be saying this in defense of anyone who ended up with the same situation.

My point is the rules of the game have always changed.

 

[Chirple]

My point is the rules of the game have always changed.

We’re trying to tell you those aren’t rules. There wasn’t a rule to prevent HIIs, there wasn’t a rule that said they can’t make two of the final four make fire to compete for a third spot, there wasn’t a rule that said you can’t break an hourglass to reset the outcome of the immunity challenge. Some changes work while others don’t.

The rule is you can’t vote for yourself. The rest of it what happened wasn’t a rule.

 

[Kitty 34]

Bottom line for me, is that I didn't care for the fact that Christian had to tell everyone else. He should have been able to keep his "fate" to himself if he so desired. It would have been interesting to see how he would have handled the situation instead of watching him just be a sitting duck target.

 

[tjmw2727]

Bottom line for me, is that I didn't care for the fact that Christian had to tell everyone else. He should have been able to keep his "fate" to himself if he so desired. It would have been interesting to see how he would have handled the situation instead of watching him just be a sitting duck target.

Agree, since the game is "out last out-wit out play" I feel like it was way too difficult to overcome and took away his ability to outplay. Yes, ^^ watching him spin this would have been more fun to watch!!

I wonder if the voting rule still stands this season but for this one exception.

As a fan since season one, yes, the game does have to change and evolve, I like most of the changes and admit even the ones I don't like make the game more interesting to watch!

Personally, the twists I don't like are imposed penalties. The ones that affect the players ability to play without the player agreeing to take that risk especially when the risk is lose a vote.

For example, in a beware advantage they make an informed decision to risk a vote so if they lose it is on them, vs having to complete a challenge they didn't agree to and then losing a vote (being sent on an excursion vs volunteering etc.). Not a huge fan of steal a vote either but at least the stealer earned that.

The main power players have is a vote; it's crucial to outwit, outplay and subsequently outlast so I don't like when the vote is essentially "taken" by production.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I feel like it was way too difficult to overcome

The votes were split of 6-3-2 with 1 of them coming from Christian himself which means 5 others voted for him but it also meant 5 other players did not and it wasn't a consensus who the other person. It wasn't too difficult to overcome simply by having to vote for himself and telling others. The players always had the choice to not vote for him at all leaving him with 1 vote.

I don't disagree with the point being made that it's against the spirit kind of thing to vote for one's self but if that is the thing the person has to do it would be unlikely to have any impact if it was kept to oneself. The players know by now that being sent off on your own either gives you an advantage or a disadvantage (usually loss of vote) and nearly every time a player returns with a target on their backs as people don't often trust the story being told. Sometimes that target means you're voted out next and sometimes that has no bearing on how people choose to vote.

I don't disagree with people's points but I think for every point there can be a counterpoint for why it's not this or that. If people just don't like the idea that you would have to vote for yourself that's completely fair, if people just don't like the idea that you would have to tell the others that you have to vote for yourself that's also completely fair. But all these other reasonings are part of what Survivor is, holding your arm up tied for an hour could be impossible for a good amount of players but it's not like any poster brought that up here on the thread about how impossible that is, that can do real damage to your body, lasting effects and Stephanie had already had serious damage to her shoulder explicitly due to Survivor in the past.

I get it really but it's really okay to just be like "it stinks and wish it wasn't the way X went out" because the majority of stuff can be just placed in "them's the brakes".