Survivor 41

[Aladora]

Except they still have their color coded clothing on. Anyone else notice they all wear the same tones of clothes? I wonder if they tell them to bring clothes of that color or if they outfit them once they get to the island.

They do.

 

[FigmentSpark]

So... Did she break the hourglass or not? Guesses?

 

[lovin'fl]

So... Did she break the hourglass or not? Guesses?

She'd be dumb not to. She is on chopping block. What is the risk to doing it? I missed that. Like lose a vote or anything?

And...here we go again. Like BB and the Cookout. Smart game play, I have to say. But, ugh, makes the show too predictable and boring. Plus isn't ol' Erica a POC? Yet they were all saying she was the vote out. Why not Heather or Tiffany or poor Xander?

Plus POC ladies need to get the memo from how BB went and maybe pick off the non POC fellas first and then move onto the ladies. Maybe include Erica to help that process (she is a POC too, no?). Or else once it's down to all POC, the guys will win every II and take out the ladies. They already showed that intent by sending Erica to isolation rather than Nasir.

 

[Boopuff]

Watching the episode tonight and can I just say Evvie’s rainbow pants are quite possibly the ugliest article of clothing ever seen on survivor (including some awful bras, undies and boxers)

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

My husband and I are diggin' this advantage with the hourglass.

To turn what immunity means on its head to be as my husband put it "conditional"

As for does she do it well my first thought was she's bitter (and I 100% understand why) at being chosen and she didn't really believe the reason (good call on her part) but if she makes those players who have immunity not immune they could become bitter just like she is against her for putting them in that position. I also thought about any alliances she might have had becoming precarious.

My husband is like lovin'fl saying she would be dumb not to. I'm inclined to agree but I could totally see how that just puts a target on her the whole rest of the game, a decision that would always be brought back up.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Plus isn't ol' Erica a POC? Yet they were all saying she was the vote out. Why not Heather or Tiffany or poor Xander?

There's a kindred sort of spirits on shared ethnicity and I'm all for that but not when it's applied in some ways and not others.

You're absolutely right Erika is a person of color as well although I don't know her exact ethnicity but she's seen as very expendable simply because she was sent to exile (although that is normal for the person sent out there to become a main target for elimination).

Anyone catch how Shan was called out for talking about advantages by Liana who had one? What's with everyone blabbing to everyone? Liana at least to her credit wasn't originally going to say anything about the advantage.

 

[leeniewdw]

So... Did she break the hourglass or not? Guesses?

She'd be dumb not to. She is on chopping block. What is the risk to doing it? I missed that. Like lose a vote or anything?

Once again I feel like I can't keep up with all the twists and the applicable rules. I'm presuming that in Ericka's current state she is not immune and must compete in the immunity challenge? If so, then she should smash it. I do have an issue with sending someone away for 2 full days at the precise moment the tribes 'merge' and spend 2 days scheming. I suppose that was on purpose so the person on the island is more likely to smash and expose a new twist in the game they came up with.

Plus POC ladies need to get the memo from how BB went and maybe pick off the non POC fellas first and then move onto the ladies. Maybe include Erica to help that process (she is a POC too, no?). Or else once it's down to all POC, the guys will win every II and take out the ladies. They already showed that intent by sending Erica to isolation rather than Nasir.

I thought that was a feel good moment but time will tell if that's a "for now" alliance or to the end. First, they don't have the numbers to run the table, which means some will have to ditch their current alliances or do a good job concealing the new alliance. And I agree the guys will likely have the advantages both due to tribe mates still floating around and physically.

Of course, if Ericka smashes the hourglass, then they'll all be forced into making a decision sooner than they thought.

 

[FigmentSpark]

Anyone catch how Shan was called out for talking about advantages by Liana who had one? What's with everyone blabbing to everyone? Liana at least to her credit wasn't originally going to say anything about the advantage.

I missed her being called out about it. I thought it was a rotten thing to do to Liana, considering how much Shan said they bonded. It was almost as if she wanted to throw her under the bus first thing. I don't get what Shan was thinking. And in front of Tiff, of all people!

 

[leeniewdw]

I thought Liana mentioned it in a confessional, not to Shan directly. She was just disappointed, as she should have been.

If Ericka breaks the hourglass, then one of these is going home (unless there is yet another twist):

Deshawn
Danny
Nasir
Shan
Liana

Nasir has an idol, Deshawn has a steal a vote (?), Shan has an idol & a steal a vote, Liana has the "do you have an idol, give it to me" advantage? Honestly, I need to look these up.

I think all of theses idols/advantages are know to other people so it will be quite the scramble. Danny might be the most vulnerable, but if the new alliance (D, D, S, L), that leaves Nasir out. If they can convince him he's safe, they may be able to blind side. The interesting thing will be that since they are a merged tribe, one of the others may be able to warn him if they catch wind.

 

[lovin'fl]

I thought Liana mentioned it in a confessional, not to Shan directly. She was just disappointed, as she should have been.

If Ericka breaks the hourglass, then one of these is going home (unless there is yet another twist):

Deshawn
Danny
Nasir
Shan
Liana

Nasir has an idol, Deshawn has a steal a vote (?), Shan has an idol & a steal a vote, Liana has the "do you have an idol, give it to me" advantage? Honestly, I need to look these up.

I think all of theses idols/advantages are know to other people so it will be quite the scramble. Danny might be the most vulnerable, but if the new alliance (D, D, S, L), that leaves Nasir out. If they can convince him he's safe, they may be able to blind side. The interesting thing will be that since they are a merged tribe, one of the others may be able to warn him if they catch wind.

You forgot Evvie, she was on the feast but Shan wasn't. I think she will go home. Could be Danny though if many folks want to go after a comp beast. Like Joe, Ozzy and Malcolm always are gunned for after merge.

So I assume, if she breaks hourglass (and she will), that it just flips and the feast folks are up for votes while the non feast folks have immunity. They don't play an II, is what I thought. They all vote but can only vote for the half that are on the block (so right now it's the non Feasterville but if Erika busts the glass then it will be the feasters).

 

[lovin'fl]

So these are feast folks who are safe right now (but won't be when Erika smashes glass)...
Evvie
Sydney
Danny
Ricard
Naseer
Deshawn

And only Deshawn and Naseer have any kind of advantage. Rest have nothing. I would say Naseer and Deshawn are safe and other 4 are at risk. Maybe this is Ricard's time to go. But typically they would take the opportunity to get the potential II comp beast and get rid of Danny. But if they do a Cookout alliance then it will probably be Ricard or Sydney. Could be Evvie but she had an alliance with Tiffany and Liana but maybe they are suspect of her relationship with Xander.

If she doesn't break the glass, dumb, then I suspect it will be Xander to go. They may get Liana to steal his idol thing. And then cut him.

 

[starvenger]

Yep, happens to me in the cruise section here on Dis. There is a very definite undercurrent of them and us on the cruise section. One of the "rules" is that first time cruisers need to know their place and that they can ask questions but must bow down to the more knowledgeable and experienced cruisers, cos they know best. As a first time cruiser you should never give helpful advice or have an opinion about cruising or the ships, cos you have never been on a cruise. They don't like me as I don't play their game.

So... Did she break the hourglass or not? Guesses?

There is zero reason not to. The show no longer relies heavily on strategy - it's about making BIG MOVES and rolling with whatever the fallout is. So break the glass, stay safe and move along.

And...here we go again. Like BB and the Cookout. Smart game play, I have to say. But, ugh, makes the show too predictable and boring. Plus isn't ol' Erica a POC? Yet they were all saying she was the vote out. Why not Heather or Tiffany or poor Xander?

Plus POC ladies need to get the memo from how BB went and maybe pick off the non POC fellas first and then move onto the ladies. Maybe include Erica to help that process (she is a POC too, no?). Or else once it's down to all POC, the guys will win every II and take out the ladies. They already showed that intent by sending Erica to isolation rather than Nasir.

fwiw, Erica is Filipina (from the 6ix, where Shan is also originally from).

Pre-merge, Erica's tribe was already targeting her as she had no true alliance. So ethnicity didn't play a factor into it. Simply that enough people picked her as an easy target, and everyone else was all "it's not me? Cool".

I'm not entirely certain who gets to vote in the next TC, but if it's everyone, and Erica does the smart thing, then either Naseer or Evvie will probably go. I think Shan will try and keep Ricard, as it's better to have him in the game versus having him as a bitter jury member in Ponderosa.

If Erica does the dumb thing... well, buh-bye Erica.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I think Shan will try and keep Ricard, as it's better to have him in the game versus having him as a bitter jury member in Ponderosa.

I agree plus even though they are starting to have issues they've had their alliance going long enough. I do wonder if Ricard will drop Shan though in favor of better alliances.

 

[leeniewdw]

You forgot Evvie, she was on the feast but Shan wasn't. I think she will go home. Could be Danny though if many folks want to go after a comp beast. Like Joe, Ozzy and Malcolm always are gunned for after merge.

So I assume, if she breaks hourglass (and she will), that it just flips and the feast folks are up for votes while the non feast folks have immunity. They don't play an II, is what I thought. They all vote but can only vote for the half that are on the block (so right now it's the non Feasterville but if Erika busts the glass then it will be the feasters).

Yes, forgot Evvie and totally screwed up who was in what group with this "merged" tribe.

So these are feast folks who are safe right now (but won't be when Erika smashes glass)...
Evvie
Sydney
Danny
Ricard
Naseer
Deshawn

And only Deshawn and Naseer have any kind of advantage. Rest have nothing. I would say Naseer and Deshawn are safe and other 4 are at risk. Maybe this is Ricard's time to go. But typically they would take the opportunity to get the potential II comp beast and get rid of Danny. But if they do a Cookout alliance then it will probably be Ricard or Sydney. Could be Evvie but she had an alliance with Tiffany and Liana but maybe they are suspect of her relationship with Xander.

If she doesn't break the glass, dumb, then I suspect it will be Xander to go. They may get Liana to steal his idol thing. And then cut him.

Thank you -- I'm an idiot. I somehow put Shan/Liana into the (currently) winning tribe because of their plans with D&D.

So there won't be as many "things" in play for now. Wonder if Ricard re-visits the extra vote advantage with Shan to finally determine the strength of that alliance. I suspect she would not share. Very happy that Xander might make it thru with all the hard work and odds against him thus far.

We don't think Ericka would opt NOT to smash, right??? I noticed in the preview she said " I had the chance" and I'm just praying she's talking about how Probst gave her the option in the past and she didn't continue the sentence by saying "....and I didn't take it". If she passes, I can't imagine that altruism is rewarded from her old tribe.

 

[lovin'fl]

So they all get to vote...heard Jeffy say that. I am just not clear on if the half have group immunity and there won't be another immunity challenge for individual immunity. I assumed not but I was packing during the show and half paying attention.

She may not smash it. Would not be lion like though and episode title was Being A Lion or something like that and her talking head she said she was coming there a lamb but going back a lion (who still looks like a lamb). So if she doesn't smash it then she is all talk like many others in past and present. And she deserves to go to Ponderosa. Her not smashing it will be such a 'wahn wah ' let down. A lamb move.

 

[lovin'fl]

And if she does do the lamb move and not smash...I think it will be Xander to go. Liana will steal his idol and they will send him packing.

 

[FigmentSpark]

So they all get to vote...heard Jeffy say that. I am just not clear on if the half have group immunity and there won't be another immunity challenge for individual immunity. I assumed not but I was packing during the show and half paying attention.

She may not smash it. Would not be lion like though and episode title was Being A Lion or something like that and her talking head she said she was coming there a lamb but going back a lion (who still looks like a lamb). So if she doesn't smash it then she is all talk like many others in past and present. And she deserves to go to Ponderosa. Her not smashing it will be such a 'wahn wah ' let down. A lamb move.

I have to think that even though she's on her own, once those cameras went off, Jeff chatted with her about her options. I don't think he would have told her that her name was being said around camp, but I think, if not Jeff, then a producer, would have highly encouraged her to take the deal. It's not worth even showing if she doesn't take it. It becomes a non-event.

 

[starvenger]

I have to think that even though she's on her own, once those cameras went off, Jeff chatted with her about her options. I don't think he would have told her that her name was being said around camp, but I think, if not Jeff, then a producer, would have highly encouraged her to take the deal. It's not worth even showing if she doesn't take it. It becomes a non-event.

And that's really the key, isn't it? Everything that has been introduced this season has been designed to manufacture drama for the cameras, because simply "playing the game" isn't enough to drive the narrative anymore.

 

[Cogswel_Cogs]

You have to figure she will break glass. And it seems that the boys want to team up so you have to figure the girl who was not in their original tribe will go.

 

[lovin'fl]

You have to figure she will break glass. And it seems that the boys want to team up so you have to figure the girl who was not in their original tribe will go.

Evvie. Probably. But the gals may all team up and gun for a guy...maybe Ricard.