Suffocation/Choking GAME?? Oh Dear Lord!

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'Suffocation games' among kids turn fatal
By Wendy Koch, USA TODAY www.usatoday.com

Kids are choking themselves for the fun of it, sometimes fatally. In at least nine states in recent years, kids have been seriously injured or killed by "suffocation games" designed to induce a drug-like "high."

Chelsea Dunn is reportedly a victim of a "suffocation game." She was found hanging from a belt outside her bedroom closet.
Family photo via The Boise Statesman

Last week in Island Park, Idaho, Dalton Eby, 10, was buried after he accidentally hanged himself from a tree. He and a friend regularly played a game using a rope to cut off oxygen to the brain.

The high-risk game is known variously as "blackout," "funky chicken," "space monkey," "flatliner," "tingling," and "suffocation roulette." Middle-school kids as young as 10 try it —— some in groups, some alone —— using belts, hands, ropes or plastic bags. Older teens may do it to increase sexual pleasure, and many young ones and most of the girls are seeking a non-drug high.

"When they strangle themselves and then release the pressure, it creates a tingling sensation in their upper body, especially their arms and head. And they think that's cool," says Sheriff Ralph Davis of Fremont County, Idaho, where Eby died.

Three months ago, a choking game may have killed another Idaho girl, Chelsea Dunn, 13. She was found hanging from a belt and shoelace outside her bedroom closet, according to her father, Joe Dunn. He says Chelsea confided in a young relative that she liked playing the pass-out game with friends in the locker room at East Valley Middle School. Six girls at the school had been suspended after a security camera videotape showed the seventh-graders choking one another in a hallway.

"Parents need to know (that) very good kids do this," says Ashraf Attalla, a child psychiatrist at the Ridgeview Institute in Atlanta. "To my surprise, it's much more common than I thought. We're seeing this more and more."

Attalla says he has patients who say they've played it every day. He says some troubled kids do it because of peer pressure, while high-achievers may be after a cheap and legal high. He says they experience "a mild to moderate state of euphoria" lasting 5 to 10 seconds, but it can cause serious brain injury.

Ashley Tucker developed permanent brain damage. Seven years ago, in Cary, Ill., when she was 13, she played the game at a slumber party. Tucker told Chicago's NBC5-TV that a friend used her hands to make Tucker faint. Tucker went into a coma, spent months in rehabilitation and had seizures for two years.

The practice has also occurred in Canada. Andrew Macnab, a pediatrician at the University of British Columbia, attributes four deaths and one near-death to boys ages 7 to 12 playing a "choking game" with towel dispensers. They wrapped the towel around their necks and hung from dispensers in school washrooms. The incidents led to changes in the design of the equipment.

Ruth Rabinovitz, an internal disease specialist in Medford, Ore., says she has seen several cases but people are reluctant to discuss them. "They're underrecognized. They're often misdiagnosed as a suicide, to the further anguish of the parents."

In New Hampshire, Thomas Andrew, a pediatrician and state medical examiner, reviewed three old cases he had deemed suicides after Tommy Fortin, 11, died from a choking game in 2001. He says he believes two of the deaths resulted from such games, but he only had enough evidence to reclassify one as accidental. "These cases are not abundantly clear-cut," he says, noting many medical examiners don't have the resources to gather the requisite evidence.

When Jennifer Cernekee, 14, died in 2001 in Kenosha, Wis., her parents initially thought it must be suicide because they had never heard of choking games. But her father, Mark, says that didn't make sense. He says she was happy and well-liked. Her body also was in an odd position, tied to a sheet that was hanging from a shelving unit that had fallen forward.

After learning of these games, Mark Cernekee says the authorities reinvestigated her case and found several kids had been playing them. He recalls seeing a black-and-blue mark on Jennifer's neck shortly before her death. When her mom asked whether she was having an allergic reaction, the daughter said "yes."

"She would have been the last person anyone would suspect of playing a game like this," her father says.

Even parents who suspect problems can't always head them off.

Sarah Pacatte of Paradise, Calif., was in the kitchen when her son, Samuel, 13, found his twin brother in another room and began screaming "Gabriel!"

Gabriel was hanging from a rope. Samuel lifted his body while Pacatte grabbed the noose, which fell away.

Pacatte says both of her sons had repeatedly tried choking themselves. She told them to stop. But only Samuel did.

Pacatte says she wants other parents to understand the danger. She says Gabriel had three of the five warning signs: red eyes, severe headaches, marks on the neck. He didn't have the other two: pornographic materials or locked doors.

The day before he died, Pacatte says, she confronted Gabriel about marks on his neck. He responded, "Don't worry, mom. It's not a hickey."
 
luvthatduke said:
"She would have been the last person anyone would suspect of playing a game like this," her father says.
This is the part that scares the crap out of me.

Why do kids DO things like this???

How devastating for these families. :(
 
Part of our ongoing training at the shelter is on strangulation because so many abusive partners strangle their victims. I think if more parents understood how easy it is to die from something around you neck, they would not just 'tell them to stop' they would be on these kids like hawks.

I just cannot fathom seeing a child with ligature marks and not immediately taking that child in for a full medical examiniation (you can die up to three days after being strangled), and some serious counseling.
 

It is actually quite an old practice. It's often used by advocates of illicit drugs as support for legalization of the drugs -- the argument being that some illicit drugs are far safer than these more dangerous practices, such as suffocation games, that people engage in in the absence of access to the drugs.

The real issue, though, is, "Why do people need either suffocation games or illicit drugs?" It's a critical question that our society has yet to answer satisfactorily. There are two aspects of this: The danger aspect, and the "getting high" aspect. Both practices provide both aspects, but each aspect addresses a different kind of unfulfilled desire. We need to, as a society, determine either why people have such desires, or why the desires go unfulfilled. Until we do that, and effetively address what we learn, for both aspects, we'll continue to see things like this happen.
 
I've never heard of this either. Very sad. Very scary.
 
bicker said:
There are two aspects of this: The danger aspect, and the "getting high" aspect. Both practices provide both aspects, but each aspect addresses a different kind of unfulfilled desire. We need to, as a society, determine either why people have such desires, or why the desires go unfulfilled. Until we do that, and effetively address what we learn, for both aspects, we'll continue to see things like this happen.

Bicker, you've made a good point.
All of us that are past our teenage years can
appreciate how youth makes one think
they're indestructable, even if one teen doesn't
feel that way it's fairly certain one sitting next to them does.
What has me so heartbroken is that these are NOT teens,
they're very young children, their hormones
supposedly have not yet kicked in.
And that seems to be the medical/psychiatric argument
for destructive behavior from teens.
To be honest, as a Christian, I lean towards
spiritual evil influence, which convinces one or more,
and the peer or pack mentality may then encourage others.
I know there are several threads currently active on religion, etc.,
and I'm not trying to turn this thread into another one,
but it is how I felt when I read the article...
I just pray for this generation - there are so many good kids,
but so many horrible choices being offered & made :sad1:
 
Ok it is seriously things like this that scares me about having kids. It seems like they just keep on coming up with cruel and unusal ways to harm themselves, and for what to get high? I mean what ever happened to just smoking pot or something, I'm not saying that that is right, it's not and I would cry my eyes out if I had a child who did that as well, BUT at least I wouldn't find them hanging from a tree ya know?
 
I heard of this before with adults, but not with kids. About 6 or 7 years ago, there was a well known singer (whose death was officially ruled suicide) who was actually found hanging by a belt from a doorknob, and there were rumors of this, that is when I first heard of it.

It is really scary that kids are doing this, especially how young some of them are. I don't think they have any idea how real the danger is.
 
I believe as there are more and more young children in crisis, we'll see more and more young children responding in this manner. We need to address the cause -- what's missing from their lives -- in order to fight against this sort of thing.
 
bicker said:
I believe as there are more and more young children in crisis, we'll see more and more young children responding in this manner. We need to address the cause -- what's missing from their lives -- in order to fight against this sort of thing.

I absolutely agree with you.
I will decline on giving my opinion
on what I personally think is missing,
as that would then turn this into
another Christian debate thread ;)
(But, nobody asked for MHO anyway :rolleyes1 ).
 
dmslush said:
I just cannot fathom seeing a child with ligature marks and not immediately taking that child in for a full medical examiniation
Nor can I!
(you can die up to three days after being strangled), and some serious counseling.

Did you hear about Gabriel 2nd hand? Did you read a 2nd hand accounting of our horror story? I am assuming that you did considering the above statement. You may want to review your information, and pay better attention to the words you are reading... I'll help you out here though, real quick...
The day before Gabriel accidentally asphyxiated I noticed a couple of small odd looking scratches/marks on a very small area of his neck; I reached over and with my index finger asked Gabriel "What's this from?" He looked at me, kind of funny and said "don't worry mom, it's not a hickey". I then asked Gabriel "have you been up in that damn tree again?" (very large, TALL tree that Gabriel loved to go as high up as he could, and knew it freaked me out) Gabe replied "ah huh".
Oh, I wish I had known that kids have and continue to die from this hideious game; I can assure you my telling the boys "to stop" was quite a bit more detailed/confrontational then what you have choosen to hear.
Why do people post comments about others whom they do not know and broadcast their judgement (actually, your ignorance...) and ugliness?
You could spend that time making a difference in someones life or helping someone; You choose to morph into a predator in your spare time?
I pray you never have someone like yourself trash you for something they are not privvy to ... I pray your children never do stupid kid stuff...
Still loving all four of my children
Sarah Pacatte Gabriel Mordecai's mom


http://StillLovingMyGabriel.com
 
The Today Show actually had a segment on this very thing, I would say about two-three weeks ago. Parents of a child that died were on saying they had no idea what was going on? Their child was very young as well. They said the look for signs in your children such as bruises on their necks or weird paraphernalia such as ropes or tape around their room or school supplies. Its sad to think this is what children find interest in? :sad2:
 
bicker said:
The real issue, though, is, "Why do people need either suffocation games or illicit drugs?" It's a critical question that our society has yet to answer satisfactorily. There are two aspects of this: The danger aspect, and the "getting high" aspect. Both practices provide both aspects, but each aspect addresses a different kind of unfulfilled desire. We need to, as a society, determine either why people have such desires, or why the desires go unfulfilled. Until we do that, and effetively address what we learn, for both aspects, we'll continue to see things like this happen.

You are a wise, wise man.
 
Weve had a couple of deaths locally due to this. I ususlaly dont encourage ds10 to watch the news but that was one story I wanted him to see. He said " Thast crazy, mom! Why would anyone do that???"



I pray he always feels that way.
 
SarahPacatte said:

Did you hear about Gabriel 2nd hand? Did you read a 2nd hand accounting of our horror story? I am assuming that you did considering the above statement. You may want to review your information, and pay better attention to the words you are reading... I'll help you out here though, real quick...
The day before Gabriel accidentally asphyxiated I noticed a couple of small odd looking scratches/marks on a very small area of his neck; I reached over and with my index finger asked Gabriel "What's this from?" He looked at me, kind of funny and said "don't worry mom, it's not a hickey". I then asked Gabriel "have you been up in that damn tree again?" (very large, TALL tree that Gabriel loved to go as high up as he could, and knew it freaked me out) Gabe replied "ah huh".
Oh, I wish I had known that kids have and continue to die from this hideious game; I can assure you my telling the boys "to stop" was quite a bit more detailed/confrontational then what you have choosen to hear.
Why do people post comments about others whom they do not know and broadcast their judgement (actually, your ignorance...) and ugliness?
You could spend that time making a difference in someones life or helping someone; You choose to morph into a predator in your spare time?
I pray you never have someone like yourself trash you for something they are not privvy to ... I pray your children never do stupid kid stuff...
Still loving all four of my children
Sarah Pacatte Gabriel Mordecai's mom


http://StillLovingMyGabriel.com


Dear Sarah,

Please accept my prayers and hugs to you and your family.
I have prayed for you - specifically - often since reading the article
I posted, as well as praying for your other children.

Thank you for following what I'm assuming was a search on Gabriel's name
(I do the same thing for my niece who was killed by a drunk driver
on her first day of high school - it's always interesting,
and sometimes uplifting, to see what I find).

I'm sorry that you were hurt by some responses here.
Your grief is real and unimaginable to me.
Again, I'm sorry that you found pain here...

I visited your website, it is a very nice thing you have going there.
I enjoyed reading some of Gabriel's autobiography,
you are right - what a gift that was to you!
His death and so many others are so tragic, in the true sense of the word.
If you would like to post some things about Gabriel,
or even if you have some tips for us that you wish someone
had told you - please feel free to tell us here.

I will continue to pray for you, if that's ok.

~luvthatduke
 
I'm a parent and when I read stuff like this it scares the heck out of me.

Having said that my prayers go out to all those families who were affected by this tragedy.

Godspeed for all those beautiful young people who left before their time. May they be experiencing a place so fantastic, that it makes Disney look bleak.
 















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