submersible missing near the Titanic

[snikki]

I won’t even get on mission space so there’s no way I’m getting on that thing.

I feel for the families. As morbid as it is I hope they did implode and didn’t suffer.

 

[Pink Partridge]

Maybe. It just seemed you implied women were not capable, when they are.

Huh? @cvjw was posting what the CEO said.

https://torontosun.com/news/world/missing-sub-ceo-didnt-hire-50-year-old-white-guys-with-experience

 

[Imzadi]

They are going to probably call off the search or announce they are transitioning to a recovery mission, rather than search and rescue. At this point, there isn't enough time to get them up, even if they did somehow locate them.

That would be one of the biggest public blunders of all time if they did that before the estimated time of how much oxygen the team has is up. The families and the world is hoping against hope for a miracle.

For all we know, the man who knows how to release the ballast so they could float back to the surface in case of an emergency could have had a stroke. Maybe no one else is trained on how to do that.

IF by some miracle the coast guard finds the Titan in time and somehow boosts the signals to text back and forth, which is the only way to contact the Titan, maybe they can give directions on how to do that and miraculously the Titan floats back up on it's own. An extreme long shot, yes. But, in a time like this, the families need every hope and possibility they can get until it's really too late.

 

[Imzadi]

I won’t even get on mission space so there’s no way I’m getting on that thing.

The CEO had told a previous passenger, a writer/producer for The Simpsons, when his team got back to the surface that there have been more people who have gone to outer space than there have been people who have gone down to where he's gone.

 

[dvcgirl67]

The CEO had told a previous passenger, a writer/producer for The Simpsons, when his team got back to the surface that there have been more people who have gone to outer space than there have been people who have gone down to where he's gone.

I read about his trip as well. I saw an interview with the CBS Sunday morning reporter, David Pogue, on CNN and he took the trip as well.

He may not be an expert, but they go through all of the briefings about this dive and are taught about safety systems...etc. He said that one of three things has happened in his opinion. That there was a leak and they all died instantly as it would just implode. That they are under the surface, possibly on the ocean floor and snagged on something and can't maneuver, or....they lost power and used one of the seven different ways to surface the submersible. I'm sure not all seven ways to surface would apply if they lose power, but there are systems where they simply inflate things on the outside with stored air....and the sub pops up to the top....with no power necessary.

That's obviously why the search area is so large as they have to plan for that last possibility.....that they popped up and are drifting....running out of air, and unable to get out of the sub because it's bolted shut by 17 bolts....from the outside. The last one just seems incredibly insane to me....that there's no way for them to exit that thing from the inside.

 

[Imzadi]

That there was a leak and they all died instantly as it would just implode. That they are under the surface, possibly on the ocean floor and snagged on something and can't maneuver,

If the Titan imploded, wouldn't there have been floating debris by now?

As for getting snagged on something, I did see an interview for another trip which the guy said their craft got wedged between a two parts of the Titanic. Luckily they were able to get themselves out.

Another guy showed a trip where the ocean current pushed their craft against the Titanic's propeller. You could see in the video some stuff flying off the propeller. Luckily they didn't have any real damage.

That's obviously why the search area is so large as they have to plan for that last possibility.

Our local news said the search area is double the size of Connecticut. The Titan is the size of a van and is possibly moving with the currents.

 

[dvcgirl67]

If the Titan imploded, wouldn't there have been floating debris by now?

As for getting snagged on something, I did see an interview for another trip which the guy said their craft got wedged between a two parts of the Titanic. Luckily they were able to get themselves out.

Another guy showed a trip where the ocean current pushed their craft against the Titanic's propeller. You could see in the video some stuff flying off the propeller. Luckily they didn't have any real damage.



Our local news said the search area is double the size of Connecticut. The Titan is the size of a van and is possibly moving with the currents.

I'm not sure if there would be debris. From what I've heard, the titanium sub itself just crushes in on itself and so I'm wondering if the weight of it would just carry it to the bottom. I think the contents inside, including the passengers would remain inside.

David Pogue said the thing I've been wondering this whole time....there are only three other subs in the world (guessing he means submersibles) that can go that deep, and not sure if they have little tool hand thingies on the outside to free them from the snag. We have a navy salvage ship that is either there, or on the way that can pull up a 60,000 lb item....like an F-18 fighter jet or a large military helicopter, but they're in the business of salvage, so again, not sure if they're going to be able to help with a rescue.

Yes, the search area is twice the size of Connecticut. I know the search is still underway and the focus should be on saving lives, but questions are already arising about this industry being too risky, and the number of government assets assisting in this rescue is likely to be in the many millions of dollars before it's all over. That's where government regulation is going to come into play I think. I'm thinking that Titanic Tourism is likely going to be put on pause for awhile.

 

[Imzadi]

David Pogue said the thing I've been wondering this whole time....there are only three other subs in the world (guessing he means submersibles) that can go that deep, and not sure if they have little tool hand thingies on the outside to free them from the snag. We have a navy salvage ship that is either there, or on the way that can pull up a 60,000 lb item....like an F-18 fighter jet or a large military helicopter, but they're in the business of salvage, so again, not sure if they're going to be able to help with a rescue.

ABC News said a couple hours ago that there are ships on the way that have tools to possibly free the Titan, but none of them have the capability to lift it up.

The French navy is bringing in some huge ship with a crane thingie. But, again, they might not have the possibility to bring it up.

I know the search is still underway and the focus should be on saving lives, but questions are already arising about this industry being too risky, and the number of government assets assisting in this rescue is likely to be in the many millions of dollars before it's all over. That's where government regulation is going to come into play I think. I'm thinking that Titanic Tourism is likely going to be put on pause for awhile.

The Titanic is in international waters. I don't think any government can regulate that. All the different governments helping out are doing this because it's a humanitarian mission. It's the right thing to do, no matter how fool-hardy the team who signed up for this was.

Now that this has happened once, some may think and feel differently in the future.

 

[dvcgirl67]

ABC News said a couple hours ago that there are ships on the way that have tools to possibly free the Titan, but none of them have the capability to lift it up.

The French navy is bringing in some huge ship with a crane thingie. But, again, they might not have the possibility to bring it up.




The Titanic is in international waters. I don't think any government can regulate that. All the different governments helping out are doing this because it's a humanitarian mission. It's the right thing to do, no matter how fool-hardy the team who signed up for this was.

Now that this has happened once, some may think and feel differently in the future.

I fear that time is running short, if it hasn't already ended for those poor people. .

Yes, I did think about the international waters part, but the number of assets necessary for a very complicated rescue of this sort seems to be a very pricey endeavor for governments. I know the Coast Guard will try and save anyone on commercial vessels...but that typically requires a few assets and not a literal armada.

This is one of those stories that I think about as I got to sleep and look at when I first get up...hoping for a miracle.

 

[DLgal]

If the Titan imploded, wouldn't there have been floating debris by now?

When something implodes at depths near 4000m, with a PSI of 6000/sq inch, there is no debris. Everything ends up completely pulverized. That amount of pressure is unfathomable to most of us. Nothing recognizable would be left of the submersible or anyone inside it. A tiny hairline crack anywhere on the structure would cause an implosion that would happen so fast, the brains of the people onboard wouldn't even have had time to process what was happening.

Hopefully this was the fate of these 5 people, because every other possibility is far more horrific.

 

[dvcgirl67]

When something implodes at depths near 4000m, with a PSI of 6000/sq inch, there is no debris. Everything ends up completely pulverized. That amount of pressure is unfathomable to most of us. Nothing recognizable would be left of the submersible or anyone inside it. A tiny hairline crack anywhere on the structure would cause an implosion that would happen so fast, the brains of the people onboard wouldn't even have had time to process what was happening.

Hopefully this was the fate of these 5 people, because every other possibility is far more horrific.

Oh man...that's even worse than how I understood it, like a bomb going off. It seems increasingly likely that this is going to be the fate of those poor people. They lost contact with them, 1:45 minutes into the descent, before they were at the bottom. Seems like at that depth it would at least have been mercifully quick.

 

[nancipants]

That's obviously why the search area is so large as they have to plan for that last possibility.....that they popped up and are drifting....running out of air, and unable to get out of the sub because it's bolted shut by 17 bolts....from the outside. The last one just seems incredibly insane to me....that there's no way for them to exit that thing from the inside.

It’s insane to me as well. It reminds me of the hatch on the Apollo 1 capsule. Due to the hatch blowing on Gus Grissom’s Mercury flight, they redesigned the hatch so it couldn’t accidentally blow and took a lot longer to open.

Ironically, during the Apollo 1 fire, it took so long to open the batch and the fire spread so quickly there was no way to save the astronauts inside, and Gus Grissom perished.

 

[dvcgirl67]

It’s insane to me as well. It reminds me of the hatch on the Apollo 1 capsule. Due to the hatch blowing on Gus Grissom’s Mercury flight, they redesigned the hatch so it couldn’t accidentally blow and took a lot longer to open.

Ironically, during the Apollo 1 fire, it took so long to open the batch and the fire spread so quickly there was no way to save the astronauts inside, and Gus Grissom perished.

I've been thinking of the Apollo program as well....and The Right Stuff, when the hatch blew and they lost the capsule. Also about Apollo 13 and everything they had to overcome to get back home.

Also, watched the Challenger four part doc on Netflix when Commander Dick Scobee asked his wife if he should talk to the teachers who were training for the launch, Christa McAuliffe and her backup, Barbara Morgan....to give them the honest truth about the Space Shuttle. His wife told him he should and he told them the Space Shuttle for a test vehicle...and experimental vehicle, and many things could go wrong. I'm glad he did because the whole "teacher flight" was really just a big PR stunt to gin up interest in the shuttle program again. They'd been going up one after another and nobody was paying any attention to them.

Everyone that talks about this submersible seems to mention the waiver, where death is mentioned several times. But what really comes across is that they all seem to really focus on all of the safety systems, back-up systems in place....etc.

 

[Claudia1]

Has anyone heard an expert indicate that the banging sound was random in nature or possibly a pattern that would indicate it was made by a human? I haven't heard if anyone has differentiated this.

 

[focusondisney]

Has anyone heard an expert indicate that the banging sound was random in nature or possibly a pattern that would indicate it was made by a human? I haven't heard if anyone has differentiated this.

Last I heard, no one knows what the banging is. Supposedly it was about every 30 minutes, so that would be a pattern I guess.

 

[Imzadi]

Has anyone heard an expert indicate that the banging sound was random in nature or possibly a pattern that would indicate it was made by a human? I haven't heard if anyone has differentiated this.

Last I heard, no one knows what the banging is. Supposedly it was about every 30 minutes, so that would be a pattern I guess.

There was speculation that with so many ships and other equipment now around, it could be one of them. Until they localize what it is or where it's coming from, they don't know.

It would be horrible if it turned out to be some ship's sewage pump going off every half hour, and the rescue crew has been looking in the wrong place all this time.

Too bad the banging wasn't the SOS Morse code signal: 3 dots, 3 dashes, 3 dots. Then they'd know it definitely is them.

 

[Mysterian]

I heard that at a certain depth, the weight is equivalent to a 747 bearing down on you.

The depth is also an incredibly vast distance, it’s almost frightening to imagine. There’s various info graphics circulated to illustrate how far down this is.
Here’s one:

 

[tinkerbellandpeterpan]

Yeah, my husband (engineer) is that one jerk in the room who won't sign off until every one of his questions is answered. It can be a pain to live with...but he's the guy you want running your nuclear reactor (which he did). He and I both have nuclear submarine experience--no way would we participate in this whole fiasco. I do feel for the families, though.

No you don't. You blamed the wife for not having "the sense to put the kibosh on the trip" as though she can tell grown people what to do. And you also said "she's rich so there's that" as though that has anything to do with it and her mourning her loss.

Would I have made this trip? Not for a million dollars and yes, I think it was ill conceived and a terrible idea. Does anyone deserve to die this way? No. I've typed and deleted and retyped and I just have no words because I don't want to get points. Just wow.

 

[Imzadi]

I heard that at a certain depth, the weight is equivalent to a 747 bearing down on you.

The depth is also an incredibly vast distance, it’s almost frightening to imagine. There’s various info graphics circulated to illustrate how far down this is.
Here’s one:
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Somehow, going DOWN in depth seems scarier than going out into outer space.

 

[Mysterian]

There was speculation that with so many ships and other equipment now around, it could be one of them. Until they localize what it is or where it's coming from, they don't know.

It would be horrible if it turned out to be some ship's sewage pump going off every half hour, and the rescue crew has been looking in the wrong place all this time.

Too bad the banging wasn't the SOS Morse code signal: 3 dots, 3 dashes, 3 dots. Then they'd know it definitely is them.

The noises were (are?) being picked up not far from the last transmitted location.