Strip Clubs!

[N.Bailey]

Being as Ted Bundy was evil and manipulative and killed (how many?) lots of young women, I'd have to say that I wouldn't want to base laws on anything he offered up as "good for society," either.

But that's just me.

Excuse me, but I thought the OP asked the question of, "Do you think strip clubs increase other crimes in the area or do you think they prevent worse crimes?"

Now, you can twist it till the cows come home, but nowhere did I say in my reply that I felt laws should be based on anything Bundy said. You need to stop reading between the lines so much and stick to the topic at hand instead of tossing your own spin on things. MOO though.

 

[N.Bailey]

On the other hand, should public pressure to prevent or shutdown these places and other undesirables be carried out by the government?

For example, strip (pun intended!) mining, chemical plants, nuclear plants etc.

IMO, I think it would depend on where you're sitting. If your a male who just has the "urge" you probably don't feel the government should be involved. If however, you're the parent of a daughter (whatever age, not only talking minors, perhaps a young college student) who was abducted, savagely raped and murdered, you might be coming at it from a different angle.

IMO, it's part of the government's responsibility to keep the citizens as safe as possible, so I guess you know where I stand, personally.

 

[cardaway]

It's a total waste of tax payer money since no matter how it goes down it will not change a thing. The cops rarely ever enforce anything strip joint related, and the clubs just create "VIP" rooms where the rules don't apply.

This area, and realy the whole country, would be better off if people just got over their hang up with sex and nudity and concentrated on the real issues.

The typical tavern does much more damage to a local area than a strip club. Fights, sex crimes, and drunk drivers just to name a few.

 

[N.Bailey]

It's a total waste of tax payer money since no matter how it goes down it will not change a thing. The cops rarely ever enforce anything strip joint related, and the clubs just create "VIP" rooms where the rules don't apply.

This area, and realy the whole country, would be better off if people just got over their hang up with sex and nudity and concentrated on the real issues.

The typical tavern does much more damage to a local area than a strip club. Fights, sex crimes, and drunk drivers just to name a few.

Oh, the strip clubs in your area don't serve alcohol?

 

[poohandwendy]

I don't believe porn leads to violence any more than alcohol or unemployment (just examples that come to mind). It's all in the individual. It can be a symptom of the illness, but that does not make it responsible for the disease.

 

[poohandwendy]

If your a male who just has the "urge" you probably don't feel the government should be involved. If however, you're the parent of a daughter (whatever age, not only talking minors, perhaps a young college student) who was abducted, savagely raped and murdered, you might be coming at it from a different angle.

I am not getting the connection. What does the above have to do with strip clubs or porn?

 

[dcgrumpy]

If however, you're the parent of a daughter (whatever age, not only talking minors, perhaps a young college student) who was abducted, savagely raped and murdered, you might be coming at it from a different angle.

not unless they were killed by a stripper

 

[N.Bailey]

I don't believe porn leads to violence any more than alcohol or unemployment. It's all in the individual. It can be a symptom of the illness, but that does not make it responsible for the disease.

Did you ever research it, Wendy? While I think we can say anything we want, statistics prove that stranger violence against woman is overwhelmingly attributed to sex. I don't know a single pedophile that abducted a child who didn't have porn on his computer; if he had one, and in his home (though I am not suggesting anyone supports pedophilia in anyway).

Why is it such a leap to think porn plays a huge role here? I mean even in Peterson (murdered his own wife and son) he had teacher rape on his computer, Viagra on his person at the time of the arrest and he ordered up porn within a few short weeks of having murdered his wife and unborn son. He got the Playboy Channel, then later called to switch it as the Playboy channel wasn't hard enough porn for him.

I really could rattle the statistics out there, but I have a feeling, it wouldn't do me any good anyway.

IMO, it's too bad those who are participating in the porn aren't the ones being raped/murdered instead of the innocent woman in all the towns/cities across the entire nation. I'd rather no one got raped/murdered really, but I don't want it to be your daughter or mine when they've done nothing to deserve it except be at the right place at the right time.

I don't want anyone to misunderstand what I am saying here however. I do not believe that ALL those who watch porn are going to go out and commit crimes, nor do I feel that vast majority will either.

 

[N.Bailey]

I am not getting the connection. What does the above have to do with strip clubs or porn?

On the other hand, should public pressure to prevent or shutdown these places and other undesirables be carried out by the government?

For example, strip (pun intended!) mining, chemical plants, nuclear plants etc.

This is what Charade asked. I answered with, a parent whose child was abducted, savagely raped and murdered will hold a vastly different opinion than a guy who's just interested in getting instant gratification. One might think the government should have a say, while the other may not.

 

[cardaway]

Oh, the strip clubs in your area don't serve alcohol?

Nope. It's why the ones in Vancouver Canada are so popular.

 

[poohandwendy]

Did you ever research it, Wendy? While I think we can say anything we want, statistics prove that stranger violence against woman is overwhelmingly attributed to sex. I don't know a single pedophile that abducted a child who didn't have porn on his computer; if he had one, and in his home (though I am not suggesting anyone supports pedophilia in anyway).

Why is it such a leap to think porn plays a huge role here? I mean even in Peterson (murdered his own wife and son) he had teacher rape on his computer, Viagra on his person at the time of the arrest and he ordered up porn within a few short weeks of having murdered his wife and unborn son. He got the Playboy Channel, then later called to switch it as the Playboy channel wasn't hard enough porn for him.

I really could rattle the statistics out there, but I have a feeling, it wouldn't do me any good anyway.

IMO, it's too bad those who are participating in the porn aren't the ones being raped/murdered instead of the innocent woman in all the towns/cities across the entire nation. I'd rather no one got raped/murdered really, but I don't want it to be your daughter or mine when they've done nothing to deserve it except be at the right place at the right time.

I don't want anyone to misunderstand what I am saying here however. I do not believe that ALL those who watch porn are going to go out and commit crimes, nor do I feel that vast majority will either.

I do believe that sex is at the root of many crimes. But I do not agree that porn is what causes it. Sexuality is ingrained in all of us. Violence in some. I think blaming porn on violent crimes against women is shortsighted. I don't believe it even plays a large role. If you looked at stats, you would find that MOST adult men have have been exposed to porn and/or regularly access porn. But, the vast majority of men do not victimize others sexually. If porn were the cause, we would have FAR more sexual crimes than we do.

I think that for some people porn is a problem, but I also believe if there was no porn at all, there would still be the same hideous sexual victimization of women (and men).

For the record, I do not believe Scott Petersons actions had anything to do with sexuality or porn. I think his motivations were selfish and based on wanting less responsibility in his life. There is no evidence there was any sexual motivation in that case.

I think saying porn is the reason for sexual violence is like saying having sexual urges at all will cause sexual violence.

IMO, the use of porn is anecdotal because there are too many people who access it (in comparison to those who actually victimize others) to show a link to violence.

JMO

 

[N.Bailey]

Nope.

Really? That's pretty cool actually.

In our area, because no porn is allowed in our town, the guys must travel 40 minutes to get to the nearest club. That means, they get to drive home, completely hammered, 40 minutes back.

I'm not saying I favor this (though I am glad there are no clubs here), but this would be a better argument for the in favor of posters.

 

[N.Bailey]

I do believe that sex is at the root of many crimes. But I do not agree that porn is what causes it. Sexuality is ingrained in all of us. Violence in some. I think blaming porn on violent crimes against women is shortsighted. I don't believe it even plays a large role. If you looked at stats, you would find that MOST adult men have have been exposed to porn and/or regularly access porn. But, the vast majority of men do not victimize others sexually. If porn were the cause, we would have FAR more sexual crimes than we do.

I think that for some people porn is a problem, but I also believe if there was no porn at all, there would still be the same hideous sexual victimization of women (and men).

For the record, I do not believe Scott Petersons actions had anything to do with sexuality or porn. I think his motivations were selfish and based on wanting less responsibility in his life. There is no evidence there was any sexual motivation in that case.

I think saying porn is the reason for sexual violence is like saying having sexual urges at all will cause sexual violence.

JMO

Scott Peterson's motivations IMO (after reading every last transcript on the trial) were that he wanted a playboy lifestyle and his wife and unborn son were cramping that style. He was a "Golden Boy," says his mamma, who was used to getting his way and yes, he was selfish, but sex played a huge role in his motivation.

I've read enough to know that many men incarcerated have said they watched movies and would relieve themselves as they watched them, but as time went on, it just wasn't enough for them anymore. Thus, IMO, for many, porn greatly contributed to their actions. I do believe however that something is off in these types of people. The porn in and of itself may not be root, but it escalates the situation in many individuals.

I've read study after study after study where they're trying to prove that porn doesn't really play a part in rape/murder cases. They'll pull out the statistics to show how rape actually has gone down in areas where porn became more accessible. Their theory is, give the guys this and they have a way of relieving themselves, and that in turn has brought down rape cases across the board. They sure sound convincing. That is, till you dig in and find out what the real statistics are. Here is our state Wendy, when did they go down? Many sites claim around the 70s where porn really came on the scene, that it's when rape cases went down remarkably. I'd like them to show me exactly when that happened? You might find one state, but I'm not even sure of that much.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/pacrime.htm

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/


I lost my old faithful bookmark (I don't know how that happened), but I found this one and it's similar.

 

[ChrisFL]

97% of people who commit sex crimes had eaten bread within 48 hours of the crime, so obviously bread is the culprit

 

[Cass]

what is meant by promoting crime? do they mean prostitution? drugs? or do they mean sexual assault because the men are all worked up after seeing the dancers?

Personally, I think the government should keep their noses out.

 

[Fan2CSkr]

Personally, I do think porn leads to violence. I know most can handle it just fine, but I don't believe that to be the case for all.

One thing about Bundy though, he was willing to be analyzed for law enforcement to get into the mind of a killer, so they could understand people like him and what makes them tick. He was even willing to help search for the Green River Killer, feeling he offered insights that no one else did. His motives were to bide some time so he wouldn't be executed as soon though. In the end, we're left wondering if he was saying anything to spare himself, or if he actually believed all that he'd said? With someone like Bundy, it could all be head games.

How in the world does porn lead to violence? How is sex threatening or violent? Rape has declined and continues to decline each year. Access to pornography has increased drastically. Dont you think perhaps porn is leading to less violence? I do.

 

[N.Bailey]

How in the world does porn lead to violence? How is sex threatening or violent? Rape has declined and continues to decline each year. Access to pornography has increased drastically. Dont you think perhaps porn is leading to less violence? I do.

It does? It decreases every year? Which state exactly are you referring to?

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/

 

[beckmrk04]

Rape is declining. As far as statistics can tell. This is from RAINN's website. www.rainn.org

Is the incidence of rape and sexual assault increasing or decreasing in America?
Have you heard about crime declining? It is true (as best we can tell). While figures for any single year are considered somewhat unreliable because they are based on a small sample size, the more-reliable longterm trend looks extremely good. Since 1993, rape/sexual assault has fallen by more than half. Read a two page summary of major statistics (pdf).

 

[Sparx]

In america, there is a a taboo over the naked body and over sexuality. Its strictly american. In europe, a ton of beaches are nude/topless. That's shunned upon here.

I think that if everyone calmed down and backed off a little we wouldn't be so prudish(as a socity) and we wouldn't worry about things like this.

I am all for protecing the dancers, they deserve that much. Thats what everyone else gets.

Oh, and if its at all relavent, I also think prostitution should be legalized and with certain measures, it can be made safe.

And I think it is unfair to blame porn. (legal) pornography is simply a picture or a video or something like that. How you use that is your choice. And if you're unable to stay..well sane, for a lack of a better word, you can't very well blame your problem on what you have a problem with. Pedophiles and rapists and molesters are not sane. You don't rape people and be okay the next day. You can't blame porn for what they do. In my opinion, if they've got (once again, legal) porn and thats keeping them from attacking and hurting a woman or child well thats one less rape/molestion thats going to be put on the news.

just my opinion. doubtful that most of you will agree with me. But I dont' mean to disrespect anyone with this post. I don't mean to offend, and if you are, well I'm sorry.

 

[Amity 3]

I'd vote that drugs and alcohol are more of a factor in assaults on women than strip clubs and porn.