Strip Clubs!

[magicmato]

In our house, nothing says "Happy Birthday Jesus" more than downloading hardcore porn for the holidays!

OOOOOoooooooo......

 

[Amity 3]

In our house, nothing says "Happy Birthday Jesus" more than downloading hardcore porn for the holidays!

you should see our tree and lawn display.

 

[Serena]

Cut it out you guys, you're about to make me laugh.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

OOOOOoooooooo......

I know, but I hear it's a dry heat...

 

[magicmato]

I know, but I hear it's a dry heat...

I hear they have great BBQ too!

 

[snowwite]

They are voting on a bill that would put further restrictions on strip clubs in seattle...turning on the lights, no table dances, 4 foot rule, ets. (Mostly things that are intended to make them go out of business)

Here's the question...

Do you think strip clubs increase other crimes in the area or do you think they prevent worse crimes?

We have a couple in our town and I will be honest and say I would not shed a tear if they were gone tomorrow. A gross smut store went in near them as well as seedy motels(the by the hour rates make me think not so nice) and there are a lot of arrests for drugs at those motels listed in the police logs and more drunk drivers caught exiting those bars. People tell me the girls are just dancers but I really dont think of them any differently than I do hookers.
I dont think there is a need for these kind of places in anyones neighborhood.

 

[Amity 3]

IMO, it's too bad those who are participating in the porn aren't the ones being raped/murdered instead of the innocent woman in all the towns/cities across the entire nation. I'd rather no one got raped/murdered really, but I don't want it to be your daughter or mine when they've done nothing to deserve it except be at the right place at the right time.

wouldn't that be the WRONG place at the WRONG time?

 

[poohandwendy]

Scott Peterson's motivations IMO (after reading every last transcript on the trial) were that he wanted a playboy lifestyle and his wife and unborn son were cramping that style. He was a "Golden Boy," says his mamma, who was used to getting his way and yes, he was selfish, but sex played a huge role in his motivation..

Ok, let's say sex played a role in his crime. How do you go from sex playing a role to porn being the motivator? Sex does not euqal porn. It's a leap that is not justified by anything substantial. He probably has as much porn as a million other guys on his computer. How many other men killed their pregnant wives?

In order to say that porn is affecting the tndancy of violence, you have to establish a link between use of porn and violence in otherwise non-violent people. I am not seeing it. There are too many other societal variables to say porn has a direct link to violent crimes.

You mentioned the 70's and crime...there are so many social changes since the 70's, it would be irresponsible to say that availablility or use of porn is a huge factor. Like divorce, for one.

I never said that increased porn would reduce violent crimes. If anything, I think increased porn is irrelevant in our violent crimes.

 

[mommaU4]

Rape and molestation is about control, and humiliating the victim. Sex is just the method.

That was posted by Serena and as I was reading this thread, I was hoping someone would point that out. I don't think porn has anything to do with rapes, as it isn't about the sex, it's about power.

There was some discussion about serving alcohol at a strip club as well, and from what I understand the clubs that are fully nude don't serve alcohol but the topless ones are allowed to.
Not sure if that's universal but that's how it is in Vegas and L.A.

So many people put down strip clubs and talk about how trashy and seedy they are, but I wonder if they've ever even been in one.

I'm sure some aren't very nice just as some chain stores and restaurants aren't very nice depending on the area, but others are very upscale and if you were a drug addicted criminal type you couldn't even afford to get in to some of them.

We had one open about 25 minutes away from where we live. The local residents fought it tooth and nail. It was in the news and the papers. I bet the club owner loved the publicity. But despite the best efforts of a few, it opened anyways.
And guess what? It hasn't been that big of a deal. No increase in noise, or crime or anything of that nature.

So I guess to answer this question:
"Do you think strip clubs increase other crimes in the area or do you think they prevent worse crimes?"

I'd have to say I don't think they do either. I don't think they increase crime nor prevent it.

 

[N.Bailey]

I know I said I was done with this thread, but after reading Wendy's response, I kinda sort felt obligated.

Okay, I've had one too many Samuel Adam's beers to be involved in this conversation right now (please excuse all typos) and I've only had 3, but have not had a drink in almost a year, so it's hitting me pretty good.

For all of you who chose to cite my response that I feel porn stars should be targeted, I have never in my life thought anyone should suffer any type of crime whatsoever. As a matter of fact, I stand firmly in the victim's corner no matter what the crime. If however it's a choice between my daughter or your daughter who is going to be the victim of someone who has been so desensitized to porn, I would prefer the culprit be the victim rather than our innocent daughters. Blast away, I couldn't care less.

To the poster who said these people are nice people only trying to make a buck, I never said they weren't nice. I'm sure most of them are. I just don't want the man who has watched 100 home movies who can no longer ejaculate because he's seen it all one too many times coming after my daughter.

To the person who mentioned movies and video games. I've heard MANY thru the years saying this exact thing. That video games and movies desensitize our kids so much that killing is no big deal. As the mother of a 15 year old son (will be 16 in 25 days), I know my son does not fall into the category (teared up when a deer died after being hit by a car, and cried for a rat in school that was being fed to a snake- which I do NOT support teaching demonstrating), but does that mean all don't as well? My guess is not.

To the person in the field. While there have been no studies done to prove one way or the other (I too have read both sides and know studies are impossible), try looking at the link I posted earlier. If porn played NO role, one would think the crime rate on murder/rape would be that of the 1960s. We know for a fact that in some states this has increased 5, 6, and 7 fold. You say porn isn't a part of that? I have ocean front property to sell you in Colorado. I realize porn isn't to blame for all increases, but are some that naive to believe it doesn't account for a little of that increase?

And to you Wendy (you know I adore you) It's pretty darn impossible to prove which crimes would or would not have happened had porn been illegal. Look at the 1960s and see the increase. Is none of that directly related to porn? I don't think it's possible to have polls that would state anything as 100% certain. I do know that many push their agenda though and ignore facts in these polls though.

All I can say to you all is, go look at actual statistics, and run a google search on men who have been incarcerated and see what they have to say.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

not unless they were killed by a stripper

I know this is a serious discussion, but this cracked me up dc.

 

[Planogirl]

I've seen some mention of what criminals have said having some weight. I have a hard time believing them, much less caring what they say. I suspect that at least most would have committed violent crimes whether they indulged in porn or not.

 

[Charade]

Xmas list:

external hard drive for the iMac.

end of list.

This will hold a boat load!!

 

[poohandwendy]

And to you Wendy (you know I adore you) It's pretty darn impossible to prove which crimes would or would not have happened had porn been illegal. Look at the 1960s and see the increase. Is none of that directly related to porn? I don't think it's possible to have polls that would state anything as 100% certain. I do know that many push their agenda though and ignore facts in these polls though.

I see the increase and IMO the increase is due to many factors. I just do not think one specific issue is a big part of the problem.

I think it is the people, not the porn.

Btw, you do know what alcohol can lead to right? Yep, the use of porn. Totally kidding Now, put down the dirty magazines and pass me a beer.

 

[JennaTX]

I don't think there would be anymore crime near a strip club than there would be near any bar that served alcohol.

 

[Cool-Beans]

you should see our tree and lawn display.

Well, it is nice to see that you are celebrating the birth of the baby Jesus, after all. You'll forgive me if I don't chip in on your gift, I hope.


I'm totally backing out of this thread, but really wanted to say this:

Rape is about control and power and viciousness, not sex.

 

[WeirdTigger27]

For all of you who chose to cite my response that I feel porn stars should be targeted, I have never in my life thought anyone should suffer any type of crime whatsoever. As a matter of fact, I stand firmly in the victim's corner no matter what the crime. If however it's a choice between my daughter or your daughter who is going to be the victim of someone who has been so desensitized to porn, I would prefer the culprit be the victim rather than our innocent daughters. Blast away, I couldn't care less.

See, the thing is, the porn star didn't do anything. The one who is raping someone is the culprit. It's not the porn star's fault that someone is commiting the the rape. That person makes the choice to go out and attack someone by raping them, it's the person who is attacking who is at fault, they commited the crime. Honestly I would go before my daughter or yours.