Step foot in the living room and die!!!!

one must remember that deception is often used in psychological experiments. However it isn't considered "unethical" as long as the tester informs the subjects after the experiment is over.

I was in an Psychological study once as a student of Psych 101. They made a huge deal about taking us into a room and signing consent forms that we knew and agreed that our responses were going to be tabulated and used for -- whatever it was they used it for I don't remember. Anyway, I remember that they carefully controlled their sample size as well as getting a good sample of differring ages and sexes. We "thought" it was going to be some kind of memory test. We were taken to a room with a chair in it -- all alone -- and were asked to wait for the Test Giver. After about 40 minutes they finally showed up and told us that the "experiment" was actually to measure people's reaction to being left waiting.

This OTOH was like posting "I think I'll put my son to sleep tonight in a ballerina costume to promote gender equality" and then after 50 or so people said -- "kind of a goofy idea there.." coming back and saying

"boy I sure did fool all you idiots! ha ha"

in short, I don't believe your story for one second. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by disykat
People are upset that they weren't treated nicely, ie tricked. The OP was called immature, compulsive, tasteless, rude, crazy, extreme, a show off, to name a few. She was told that she treats her daughter like a caged animal, to get a grip, to get over it, etc. IMO those are horrible comments. I think "tricking people" into participating in a psych experiment, or pretending to, is mild in comparison.
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Just went back to re-read (although I will admit my mind is just a tad preoccupied with Hurricane Frances, having family & friends in Florida) and I still don't see all of this "horribleness" you are referring to - and certainly not anyone acting as though she had "committed a murder.."

I found one "GET A GRIP" comment (benign, in my eyes) - a number of posters who question the "craziness" (if you will) of the action (NOT the poster) - one mention of show-offy items - and a general concensus that most posters simply do not run their homes in the same manner..

I did not find the parts where "she" was called immature, tasteless, rude, crazy, extreme (although the "situation" may have been referred to as such) - nor did I see the comment about her daughter being a "caged animal".. If I missed them, my apologies to you for questioning where they are..

And just as a side note, I stick to my original conclusion.. This was not a "test" or an "experiment", but rather a thread that did not produce the desired results and therefore the poster took the best "out" that she could think of..

Certainly not a way to win friends and influence people.. A true "professional" would not have conducted themselves in this manner...
 
Originally posted by Amirah95
I don't understand why people choose to stay at a value hotel on Disney over a larger rental home offsite. But to each his own.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

What's funny is YOU have never stayed ONSITE!:eek: So how the heck can you give an opinion on WDW on site resorts?:rolleyes:
 
I'm trying to think about how this makes me feel.

I think if the issue was a bit more personal it would bother me more. Like if someone was writing about a health problem, relationship conflict, or something more along those lines. Since I never felt that I really bonded with this poster, mainly because I just haven't read her posts before, it doesn't really faze me all that much.:D
 

:rotfl:

the Tag Fairy is sure on her game today! hehehehe
 
I guess I just don't understand what all the fuss is about.

My opinion on the subject at hand doesn't change because of the circumstances under which it was posted. The OP said it really happened. I take it at face value. Doesn't affect me one way or another if it did or did not happen.
 
I guess I'm in the minority for HOPING this was a joke/experiment/whatever.

I was really feeling sorry for the DD and DH, and the houseguests/colleagues who were pretending to be interested in watching home movies.
 
Originally posted by C.Ann
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Just went back to re-read (although I will admit my mind is just a tad preoccupied with Hurricane Frances, having family & friends in Florida) and I still don't see all of this "horribleness" you are referring to - and certainly not anyone acting as though she had "committed a murder.."

I found one "GET A GRIP" comment (benign, in my eyes) - a number of posters who question the "craziness" (if you will) of the action (NOT the poster) - one mention of show-offy items - and a general concensus that most posters simply do not run their homes in the same manner..

I did not find the parts where "she" was called immature, tasteless, rude, crazy, extreme (although the "situation" may have been referred to as such) - nor did I see the comment about her daughter being a "caged animal".. If I missed them, my apologies to you for questioning where they are..

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Rather than going back and quoting each one, I'd rather agree to disagree. IMO referring to the situation of the way she keeps her house as crazy, rude, extreme, etc. is the same as calling the OP that. You did indeed miss the caged animal remark, it was there.

My remark about acting as if she committed a murder, referred to the seriousness with which people are taking what I consider to be a non-controversial topic. If I saw a post about murder I would expect nastiness and strong opinions, I didn't expect it on a thread about how people use their living rooms - and honestly felt it was uncalled for.
 
Originally posted by disykat
Rather than going back and quoting each one, I'd rather agree to disagree.
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Okay - that's fine with me.. No hard feelings.. I guess I just missed some of the posts (or portions of) that you were referring to and what I did read, I interpeted in a different way..

Have a great day! :)
 
I try to keep the rest of my house clean and fairly picked up, but with 4 kids, 2 dogs, 2 cats and 2 afterschool daycare children, it actually gets dirty and cluttered faster than I can clean it. I would probably be able to keep the house totally **** n span, but I would drive my family crazy and, what's more important, I wouldn't have time for the DIS! So, I settle for keeping my living, dining, and foyer clutter free (more or less). We do still use those rooms, though.

Don't get me wrong my house isn't 100% **** and span. I only do once weekly "cleaning." But I do keep it neat and organized. It doesn't drive my family crazy at all. I have a dh with adult ADD and dyslexia (and 2 drs have diagnosed dd as well, but she is young enough yet that I'm not totally sold on that). Dh does much better with an organized environment, he has a really hard time with clutter. DD is the same. It doesn't take any time at all either. When we moved into this house I made sure everything had a place. I installed closet organizers in every closet (the kids are adjustable so right now they are suited perfectly to the kids height, allowing them to pick out and put away their own stuff), made sure the kids had adequate and easy to use toy storage for each different toy, etc, etc. Its amazing what kids (and husbands) will do on their own if they just know what to do... no yelling or driving crazy required. Most clutter I find is not laziness its has more to do with not knowing whats expected. If everything has its own place (and that place is functional and convienent) things are much more likely to be put away. And i keep the kids very involved in their own storage issues. They can pick the place for things (within reason) and pick out the container to put it in and decorate it themselves (their own version of labeling). We've actually all been much happier and functioning much better... and I have more time for other things. Like now instead of running all over the house searching for dd's ballet and tap shoes I know that they are in her ballet bag hanging on her purse rack in her room. I know this must sound so anal, but I swear its so much nicer for us then the alternative.
 
I am soooo confused, so are we rats in a lab part of an experiment??????
I was really enjoying this post, I was ready to send my kids and husband down to New Jersey, so that they would learn from the OP to stay out of a room, I have tried to have my own room, so far no luck where ever Mom is, is where everybody is (and I would not change it for the anything in the world).
We just got 2 kittens, I can imagine what would happen in that house:crazy:
 
I think that the OP has a dibby dab of a personality disorder, not to mention a lotsy of a control issue. :earseek: Instead of a class, a full workup is what she needs...

T&B
 
Originally posted by JoNo
IF it IS for her psychology class, one must remember that deception is often used in psychological experiments. However it isn't considered "unethical" as long as the tester informs the subjects after the experiment is over.

It's a common practice which I learned of in my psychology class just yesterday :)
I'm not certain where you are taking your class, but your instructor is certainly NOT following approved APA standards for psychological experiments. I offer the following quotes from the APA:
It is of the utmost importance that psychological research is carried out to the highest possible ethical standards. The role of research psychologists puts the individual in a position of authority that is open to abuse. The key principles are normally taken to be (i) doing no harm, (ii) informed consent, (iii) freedom to withdraw and (iv) confidentiality, and these are the main principles identified by the British Psychological Society in the ethical code of conduct (BPS, 1996). American ethical codes tend to be more extensive and also include such as plans for data security, reporting of results, publication credit, plagiarism and sharing data (APA, 1992).

1.4.2 Consent

No-one should be coerced to take part in a study. Subjects must be told what is going to happen to them, they must understand what they are told and they must give consent on that basis. If the research extends over a period of time then consent must be sought on several occasions. Children’s consent should be obtained from parents or teachers (who act ‘in loco parentis’) as well ideally as from the children themselves. The emphasis here is on informed consent. If a subject agrees to take part in a study that agreement can only be to that which he understands his participation in the study to involve.

1.4.3 Deception

Sometimes psychological research requires the subject is not aware of all the features of an experiment. Sometimes the deception is trivial as when a researcher asks everyone in the room to complete the questionnaire in front of them clearly implying that there is only one definitive questionnaire, when in fact there are four different versions around the room each with subtle differences in instructions. More usually though deception in the past has involved telling a subject that she has performed poorly on a test of intelligence to observe the nature of her contributions to a decision-making group subsequently to test the impact of low self-esteem on social confidence. If we tell subjects everything about a study the study will be pointless since they will alter their behaviour. If we tell them nothing then they will occasionally and understandably complain that we have deceived them. Where do we draw the line? The general rule is that deception should not be used unless: (i) subjects are not likely to object once they are told about how they were deceived, and (ii) the prospective scientific, educational, or applied value justifies the deception, and (iii) there are no alternatives. Although psychologists are urged by both the BPS and the APA to consult with disinterested and independent advisors the application of these principles is the responsibility of the individual researcher.

1.4.5 Confidentiality

All information gained about a subject during an experiment is confidential unless explicitly agreed in advance with individual subjects. Thus subjects must never be named or otherwise made identifiable from any written report on the study. Legal considerations might overrule this in terms of the Data Protection Act or court order. Psychologists do not enjoy the kind of privileged relationship with their subjects as doctors do with their patients or lawyers with their clients. Subjects are often reassured to be told that results will only ever be presented as aggregates with no individual data being identified. A distinction must be drawn between anonymity and confidentiality. ‘Anonymity’ means that the subject cannot be identified subsequently, even by the researcher while ‘confidentiality’ implies that although the subject is in principle identifiable no identification will in fact be made. It is important when running your own experiments not to promise anonymity when what you mean is confidentiality.
 
Originally posted by Tink&SquirtsMom
Don't get me wrong my house isn't 100% **** and span. I only do once weekly "cleaning." But I do keep it neat and organized. It doesn't drive my family crazy at all.

I wasn't trying to pick on you or say that you drove your family crazy. I'm sure you don't and you most certainly don't sound excessive. :teeth:

I've become a lot more organized in the last few years and it's so much nicer. I'm a happier person `when things are more or less in their place. Still a lot of work to do, but I'm getting there. The cleaning is such a never ending job, though. But I view it as exercise. :D

T&B
 
Wow, what an interesting thread. :rolleyes:

I had about 5 different responses typed out that I just deleted.

I just think this was a very tacky thing to do! Granted, it didn't hurt me in any way, but talk about a slap in the face. :rolleyes: Don't professors have some sort of ethic they need to follow?
 
Uh, no. I don't understand. Why have a television and a living room if you're not going to use them?? :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by phorsenuf
Please tell me you are kidding!
I was thinking the same thing! I sure as heck wouldn't wanna watch someone giving birth, eating popcorn in their off limits living room!!
 
OK. So let's get this straight. The OP is busy posting on other threads. Like nothing ever happened. She has yet to return to explain to us, her guinea pigs, anything about her "study". How very, very unethical. I wonder if this is a violation of the college where she is a "professor"? Hmmm. Interesting to say the least.

So, Tanya, please have the decency to fill us all in on the experiment we all unwillingly took part in. I am especially interested in your control group information. Do tell!

Furthermore, Moderators...Is this against any board policy? I am only speaking for myself, but I come to this board for polite conversation and light hearted debates. I love this board, but I don't enjoy being used as a lab rat. Where to draw the line? That is, if the OP is telling the truth. Again, I am sure the university that she is employed by would be very interested to know that she is an unethical employee.
 












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