Stem Cell research and Fertility Clinics.

[yeartolate]

That is no different than an abortion clinic selling (you do know they are a big money making business?) abortions even to the point of making sure a woman does not hear her babies heart beating.

Are you being sarcastic, or is this supposed to be a true statement -- about abortions being a big money making business. If this is suposed tobe true, I would hope you can back up that stement. A private doctor in a private cash setting in perhaps a ambulatory surgery center might make a decent amount for a fe minutes work......I hardly see how Planned Parenthood clinics working on sliding scale and depending on outside suport to stay alive are making big bucks over abortions. But I would be interested to hear credible evidence that "abortion clinics" are big money making.....

 

[robertsmom]

Well, according to some states, it does.

Also, how do you come to terms with California being able to charge a person(Scott Peterson) with two murders in which one of them is unborn?

But if Lacy went to get an abortion, it's not murder.

Laci was only a few weeks away from delivering. No doctor would perform an abortion at that stage. If Connor had been allowed to be born at the time his mother was killed, he would have been a viable baby. That is why Scott was charged with two murders.

 

[JennyMominRI]

I don't agree with abortion, or the destruction of embyros. Not really a religious reason, I just have a very strong belief in unwasted life. But as the embryonic cells that aren't used will probably be destroyed anyway, better put them to good use. It is a bittersweet thing I guess.

Btw, I believe that life does begin at the moment it is concieved. And if it is not, it will eventually become life. I don't think anyone can argue that point.

Actually believe a fertilzed egg only has around a 70% chance of going to full term..Isn't it true that about 30% of pregnances end in misscarriage..Many of them so early that the women doesn't even know she was pregnant?

 

[goofygirl]

Laci was only a few weeks away from delivering. No doctor would perform an abortion at that stage. If Connor had been allowed to be born at the time his mother was killed, he would have been a viable baby. That is why Scott was charged with two murders.

Good point. I'd also like to add thatan evil unstable person brutally murdering a fetus about to be born along with its mother and dumping them in the ocean is a far cry from a stable woman who is making a conscious choice in terminating a pregnancy at 4 or 6 weeks in a safe, sterile clinic.


Embryos and babies are not one of the same. Ever see an egg? Ever see a whole chicken? Big difference. When I eat a dozen eggs, am I eating a dozen chickens? No.

 

[Galahad]

But I would be interested to hear credible evidence that "abortion clinics" are big money making.....

They are not at all money makers.

 

[yeartolate]

They are not at all money makers.

So, do you think the poster who stated it was being sarcastic or .

 

[Cool-Beans]

Are you being sarcastic, or is this supposed to be a true statement -- about abortions being a big money making business. If this is suposed tobe true, I would hope you can back up that stement. A private doctor in a private cash setting in perhaps a ambulatory surgery center might make a decent amount for a fe minutes work......I hardly see how Planned Parenthood clinics working on sliding scale and depending on outside suport to stay alive are making big bucks over abortions. But I would be interested to hear credible evidence that "abortion clinics" are big money making.....

A friend of mine in high school couldn't get an abortion because she couldn't come up with the $300. Maybe things have changed since then, but I know that back then they did it for the money and not to help young women, regardless of ability to pay.

My friend's born-again mother tossed her and the baby out on the street. The father was nowhere to be found - the family just up and moved. She struggled for years as a single mom, cleaning houses and living in a rotten neighborhood. Then she met and married a very nice man who is able to support her and her son (who is 21 now and in college working on a business degree.)

I'm sure if she had it to do over she'd do the same thing...but it wasn't the life she'd hoped for. She got As and Bs in school. Could have gone on to much better things.

But nobody would give her an abortion because she didn't have the dough.

 

[JennyMominRI]

A friend of mine in high school couldn't get an abortion because she couldn't come up with the $300. Maybe things have changed since then, but I know that back then they did it for the money and not to help young women, regardless of ability to pay.

My friend's born-again mother tossed her and the baby out on the street. The father was nowhere to be found - the family just up and moved. She struggled for years as a single mom, cleaning houses and living in a rotten neighborhood. Then she met and married a very nice man who is able to support her and her son (who is 21 now and in college working on a business degree.)

I'm sure if she had it to do over she'd do the same thing...but it wasn't the life she'd hoped for. She got As and Bs in school. Could have gone on to much better things.

But nobody would give her an abortion because she didn't have the dough.

Elective abortions are not consdereing life saving procedures.. Non life savng procedures get turned down all the timeif people can't pay for them..You can't just walk nto a hosptal and ask for an echo if you can't pay for it and expect a hospital to provide for it

 

[Cool-Beans]

Elective abortions are not consdereing life saving procedures.. Non life savng procedures get turned down all the timeif people can't pay for them..You can't just walk nto a hosptal and ask for an echo if you can't pay for it and expect a hospital to provide for it

I didn't say anyone SHOULD or SHOULD NOT get an abortion for free. Wasn't my point at all.

I just said that the clinics are making money doing it. They aren't doing it for free to help young women.

ETA: And if you walk into the hospital and say the magic words: "I have chest pain," and ask for the echo, you probably will get it. People make up chest pain they don't have and get echos they don't need every single day. Just WHY these folks like to be in the hospital, I dunno. But they do. Free graham crackers and diet ginger ale! Woo-hoo!

 

[JennyMominRI]

I didn't say anyone SHOULD or SHOULD NOT get an abortion for free. Wasn't my point at all.

I just said that the clinics are making money doing it. They aren't doing it for free to help young women.

And I don't disagree with you really,My point is thatmost medacine is about money..Medcine is a business. That's not to say that medical professionals aren't about helping people..They are..They are also about earning a living and this is a non-medically needed procedure

 

[yeartolate]

A friend of mine in high school couldn't get an abortion because she couldn't come up with the $300. Maybe things have changed since then, but I know that back then they did it for the money and not to help young women, regardless of ability to pay......

But nobody would give her an abortion because she didn't have the dough.

May I enquire what year this was in?

Abortions could be done by your private MD (I guarantee a pretty penny more than $300 but we are talking clinics). If they are done at a place like Planned Parenthod, I believe they go on sliding scale . I guarantee this is not a money making venture. Do you realize how many $300 abortions a clinic would have to do to keep up with his overhead? I think you are deluding yourselfif you believe that abortion is big business.

 

[Cool-Beans]

May I enquire what year this was in?

Abortions could be done by your private MD (I guarantee a pretty penny more than $300 but we are talking clinics). If they are done at a place like Planned Parenthod, I believe they go on sliding scale . I guarantee this is not a money making venture. Do you realize how many $300 abortions a clinic would have to do to keep up with his overhead? I think you are deluding yourselfif you believe that abortion is big business.

I kinda have to laugh, because I said the kid is 21. 1985. She was 16.

Now I feel old, calling a 21-year-old a kid.

She called 3 doctors, two of them wouldn't do it, the other wanted to be paid much more that the abortion clinics.

I don't know (and don't want to know) what the price is for abortions now. But they aren't doing it for free. If you think they are a bunch of big-hearted folks there to help young women and pricing this on ability to pay, you're wrong.

They aren't do-gooders. They are in it for the money, like most places. And if they weren't making a profit, they'd quit. It is a business. Whether or not people think it is a GOOD business is one thing. But they are surely making money.

What overhead? It isn't like they need lots of expensive machines. A table, a vaccuum, a doctor, nurses and a receptionist. Electric and phone.

How long can an abortion take? Can't be more than an hour, which means $2400 a day in 1985. That's a nice chunk of change.

 

[JennyMominRI]

I kinda have to laugh, because I said the kid is 21. 1985. She was 16.

Now I feel old, calling a 21-year-old a kid.

She called 3 doctors, two of them wouldn't do it, the other wanted to be paid much more that the abortion clinics.

I don't know (and don't want to know) what the price is for abortions now. But they aren't doing it for free. If you think they are a bunch of big-hearted folks there to help young women and pricing this on ability to pay, you're wrong.

They aren't do-gooders. They are in it for the money, like most places. And if they weren't making a profit, they'd quit. It is a business. Whether or not people think it is a GOOD business is one thing. But they are surely making money.

What overhead? It isn't like they need lots of expensive machines. A table, a vaccuum, a doctor, nurses and a receptionist. Electric and phone.

How long can an abortion take? Can't be more than an hour, which means $2400 a day in 1985. That's a nice chunk of change.

I am a very high risk patient who had a therapuetic abortion 16 months ago...It cost around 4000$ took 20 Minutes,and I pad for it myself because my insurence refused,despite 3 doctors tellng them it was medically neccassary

And you forget anesthesia and an anesthesiologist

 

[seven dwarfs]

FYI:
Our local news just stated that the bush adm. has approved fed money for stem cell research on already created embryos that are being distroyed.

 

[JennyMominRI]

FYI:
Our local news just stated that the bush adm. has approved fed money for stem cell research on already created embryos that are being distroyed.

If this is true I gve them big props

 

[yeartolate]

I kinda have to laugh, because I said the kid is 21. 1985. She was 16.

Now I feel old, calling a 21-year-old a kid.

She called 3 doctors, two of them wouldn't do it, the other wanted to be paid much more that the abortion clinics.

I don't know (and don't want to know) what the price is for abortions now. But they aren't doing it for free. If you think they are a bunch of big-hearted folks there to help young women and pricing this on ability to pay, you're wrong.

They aren't do-gooders. They are in it for the money, like most places. And if they weren't making a profit, they'd quit. It is a business. Whether or not people think it is a GOOD business is one thing. But they are surely making money.

What overhead? It isn't like they need lots of expensive machines. A table, a vaccuum, a doctor, nurses and a receptionist. Electric and phone.

How long can an abortion take? Can't be more than an hour, which means $2400 a day in 1985. That's a nice chunk of change.

I just googled planned paranthood - cost for an abortion for low income person is $400 -This is for ALL fees (tests, sonograms, medications, anesthesia) NO WAY is this money making. They are clear that many of the low income folks will qualify for med-cal - I am sure their reimbursement is less than $400.


Facility rent
MD
Anesthesiologist or nurse anesthisist
Scrub or circulating nurse
Clinic nurse/recovery nurse
Malpractce insurance
Cost of anesthesia or sedatives
Cost of oxygen
Cost of medications
Cost of sterile supplies
Cost of medical equipment
Cost of upkeep and repair of medical equipment
Office supplies
Lab costs
Receptionist
social worker on staff?
Security staff?
Licensing fees

Yup they probably are making a mint off of all the abortions.

 

[Cool-Beans]

I am a very high risk patient who had a therapuetic abortion 16 months ago...It cost around 4000$ took 20 Minutes,and I pad for it myself because my insurence refused,despite 3 doctors tellng them it was medically neccassary

And you forget anesthesia and an anesthesiologist

You are right, they have anesthetists. But women don't HAVE to be knocked out. They can numb the area. Still, making money on it. Not saying they shouldn't. That's not my fight.

I'm sorry to hear about your baby. That is such rotten luck. I'll pray for you tonight.

 

[yeartolate]

They can numb the area. Still, making money on it.

I quoted you the costs. Do you think $400 would leave a huge profit?

 

[Cool-Beans]

I just googled planned paranthood - cost for an abortion for low income person is $400 -This is for ALL fees (tests, sonograms, medications, anesthesia) NO WAY is this money making. They are clear that many of the low income folks will qualify for med-cal - I am sure their reimbursement is less than $400.


Facility rent
MD
Anesthesiologist or nurse anesthisist
Scrub or circulating nurse
Clinic nurse/recovery nurse
Malpractce insurance
Cost of anesthesia or sedatives
Cost of oxygen
Cost of medications
Cost of sterile supplies
Cost of medical equipment
Cost of upkeep and repair of medical equipment
Office supplies
Lab costs
Receptionist
social worker on staff?
Security staff?
Licensing fees

Yup they probably are making a mint off of all the abortions.

Of course they are making money. Unlike government agencies, business that don't make money have to close up shop. Why does it bother you that they make money?

You tell me why they turn away people who can't pay if they aren't doing it for money.

 

[jenfur]

I didn't read through the whole thread, so If I missed something important forgive me, but I think people oppose Fed. funds for stem cells, while there is no public funding for fertility clinics whatsoever.

I think people are placing alot of false hope in embryonic stem cells. There have been no postive outcomes in any research done with them, if there was so much evidence that there could be, we wouldn't need Fed. money, private corporations would be all over it. Adult stem cells on the other hand have been miraclous in so many areas. It is sad that the media, interest groups ect. aren't pushing more funding in that area. Even umbilical cord blood is more promising than embryonic stem cells.