State of Fast Pass Return (or replacement)

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Why is there a need for fastpass? That would just make the standby lines longer.
Even if that were true—and I think this phenomenon is often exaggerated—that wouldn’t change the need for fastpasses. The whole point of fastpasses is that you could bypass those long lines for at least 3 rides, and usually many more with subsequent refreshing.
 
Im here now. TOT had 50 posted and was on in about 27 mins. MMRR was posted as 65. Took about 47 mins. On SDD now with 100 posted. ( touring plans says 60 ) Will update when off. Got the clock running. Touring plans app is more accurate
47 minutes instead of 65 is still too long when you could get on within 15 min with a FP. And then to have to do multiple 45-90 minute waits when you used to be able to use FP is just not enjoyable for my family. We’ve always been go go go in the morning with a combo of getting there early and FP, but we also got a lot done in a couple of hours. Now we’re lucky if we can get 2 rides in. Experiences can also change within seconds creating crazy lines. We just made it on Slinky dog the other day in 45 minutes (line said 60). Right when we were getting on all of the slinky crew came out and the head CM said she wanted to get on the next train. Well they already opened the gates so we got to ride. After we got off, ride was down. Headed to Toy Story Mania with maybe a 15 minute wait. Got out and the entire SDD must have lined up for Mania. Skipped saucers because the wait had gone from 10 min to 40. By the time we left the area, Toy Story Mania line was all the way back to Joffrey‘s coffee outside the entrance to the land. Waited 70 minutes for MFSR on an afternoon we parkhopped. All of us determined after that ride was not worth that kind of wait. It really depends on what ride you decide to rope drop and whether that ride behaves at opening. We’ve made some bad decisions at least 3 days this week because those rides decided they couldn’t run and would have significant delays. If you jump in a headliner that doesn’t function you’re out of luck and it impacts your entire day without recovery FPs to use later.
 

Even if that were true—and I think this phenomenon is often exaggerated—that wouldn’t change the need for fastpasses. The whole point of fastpasses is that you could bypass those long lines for at least 3 rides, and usually many more with subsequent refreshing.

Great, so I want to pay $150 a ticket with my head buried in a screen all day? Ill pass.

Open up restaurants, shows, meet and greets and everything else and the wait times will drop.

Lower capacity and the wait times will drop.

Fastpass crams more people through that line than would be in the standby line otherwise, hence yes lines would be longer.
 
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Fastpass crams more people through that line than would be in the standby line otherwise, hence yes lines would be longer.

True that you have to periodically wait for FP guests to go through while in SB. Without that FP line, wouldn’t the SB also be longer to hold everyone, including those who would have used FP? An extra long SB line may turn away some from entering, but as those higher wait times become normalized, those guests would have to adjust their expectations or not go.

More options such as all of the available dining could help wait times, but that’s the case whether there are FP lines or not.
 
Open up restaurants, shows, meet and greets and everything else and the wait times will drop.

Lower capacity and the wait times will drop.
I don’t disagree. But it’s pretty clear that Disney isn’t going to reduce capacity. Nor could they without canceling people’s park reservations, which is a nonstarter. And it seems that Disney doesn’t have the employee resources to open everything up. They never should have increased capacity in the first place. But here we are. And to continue to withhold fastpasses just compounds the error.
 
Great, so I want to pay $150 a ticket with my head buried in a screen all day? Ill pass.

Open up restaurants, shows, meet and greets and everything else and the wait times will drop.

Lower capacity and the wait times will drop.

Fastpass crams more people through that line than would be in the standby line otherwise, hence yes lines would be longer.
I got at least 10-12 FPs a day and was very, very, very far from having my head buried in a screen all day. I'm always incredibly confused when people use this exaggeration. 2-3 minutes max, to get each. Usually much quicker than that. Very seldom a few minutes more. Almost always had our next FP before we got to the boarding area of the ride we were in line for.
 
Why is there a need for fastpass? That would just



Why is there a need for fastpass? That would just make the standby lines longer.


The only thing there is a need for is opening more experiences which is why the lines are the way they are. Disney got greedy (shocker) and raised capacity before they could handle it.
It would redistribute some of the crowd so not everyone is arriving at the same set of headliners at the same time. Rope drop used to be arrive a little before opening time, not an hour + before. And for the most part, the rides are no longer opening early. And if the majority of people who have park reservations that day decide they need to arrive at rope drop because there is no FP, there is no longer a rope drop advantage. Also if a ride breaks down during your FP return, you automatically get a recovery FP. Right now they are doing very little recovery.
 
How do you figure?
If like most people and groups you plan your FP's at 60 days then you would bunch them up into about a 3-4 hour window, most times.
Then multiply that by thousands and that takes a lot guests out of the standby line and enjoying snacks, shopping..and A/C, mostly in the AM but if like me in the afternoon. Of course sometimes you can only get the headliners when you can get them....YRMV... :)
Unless you are a local AP and then your opinion is a bit jaded and not very enthusiastic about FP+ returning...:(
 
According to Sirlink at WDWMAGIC


All three resorts will allow pay for individual FP per person per attraction
WDW and DL will have plans think 'old' DDP: Counter Service, Regular and Deluxe, however I'm told these will be ticket add-ons
Individual and plans will have seasonal pricing
Attractions will be divided into 3 categories: Classics, Headliner, Super Headliner
Examples: Classics think PPF, Headliner think BTMR, Super Headliner think FoP.
With the plans when you run out of your credits you can buy MORE!
Current internal debate around redeeming credits. i.e. do two Classic credits redeemed get you a Headliner and do two Headliner credits redeemed get you a Super Headliner.
Another is how many are you given and do you get them all up front or do none tokens used get stacked on to the next day.
P.S. UK visitors get ready for another round of ticket changes to reflect the new front of line access passes and to include seasonal pricing.

P.S.S I've been told DDP when it comes back will be undergoing similar changes:
Either with DDP tokens at sit down dining and signature it would go to a prix fixe menu at all locations and remain the same policies as was in place previously for counter service and snacks
Or they give out a credit amount so if a plan is worth $60 per day it shows on your MDE as $60, to suitably force users from the higher priced options. I'm told from multiple F+B managers either of the plans would be a god send
 
How do you figure?

Because I don't allow my brain to trick me into thinking that something is what it is not. You think fastpass creates a longer standby line because you get upset when people pass you. That part of your brain that gets triggered when somebody cuts the line gets triggered when someone walks past you in the fast pass line whether you realize it or not. And you subconsciously tell yourself that that is adding another 10 or 15 minutes to your wait time because someone passed you. I can't help you with that. There have been studies that have been done by Touring Plans and other Disney websites that show the fastpass does not add any significant time to the standby lines. It doesn't add any sort of serious amount of time to the standby lines. Fact. If you want to continue to think that it adds more time to your standby wait, which I'm sure that you I'm more than happy to do so, then so be it. I'm hoping they bring fast pass back because I was never silly enough to wait in a line that was over 30 minutes for an attraction. This is all I'm going to say on the subject with you since the discussion keeps going in circles amongst everybody who wants to debate FP+ adding more wait time. It's a subject that no matter how much empirical evidence is thrown at you, if you hate FP+ you're never going to believe any of it. It doesn't matter if God Almighty came down from the heavens and stamped it into some stone tablets those that hate FP+ still wouldn't believe it. Have a nice day. 🙋
 
According to Sirlink at WDWMAGIC


All three resorts will allow pay for individual FP per person per attraction
WDW and DL will have plans think 'old' DDP: Counter Service, Regular and Deluxe, however I'm told these will be ticket add-ons
Individual and plans will have seasonal pricing
Attractions will be divided into 3 categories: Classics, Headliner, Super Headliner
Examples: Classics think PPF, Headliner think BTMR, Super Headliner think FoP.
With the plans when you run out of your credits you can buy MORE!
Current internal debate around redeeming credits. i.e. do two Classic credits redeemed get you a Headliner and do two Headliner credits redeemed get you a Super Headliner.
Another is how many are you given and do you get them all up front or do none tokens used get stacked on to the next day.
P.S. UK visitors get ready for another round of ticket changes to reflect the new front of line access passes and to include seasonal pricing.

P.S.S I've been told DDP when it comes back will be undergoing similar changes:
Either with DDP tokens at sit down dining and signature it would go to a prix fixe menu at all locations and remain the same policies as was in place previously for counter service and snacks
Or they give out a credit amount so if a plan is worth $60 per day it shows on your MDE as $60, to suitably force users from the higher priced options. I'm told from multiple F+B managers either of the plans would be a god send
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If I posted a rumor saying FP+ was coming back I'm sure you wouldn't be laughing. No amount of rumors will change your love for FP+. It doesn't matter if God Almighty came down from the heavens and stamped it into some stone tablets those that love FP+ still wouldn't believe it.
 
According to Sirlink at WDWMAGIC


All three resorts will allow pay for individual FP per person per attraction
WDW and DL will have plans think 'old' DDP: Counter Service, Regular and Deluxe, however I'm told these will be ticket add-ons
Individual and plans will have seasonal pricing
Attractions will be divided into 3 categories: Classics, Headliner, Super Headliner
Examples: Classics think PPF, Headliner think BTMR, Super Headliner think FoP.
With the plans when you run out of your credits you can buy MORE!
Current internal debate around redeeming credits. i.e. do two Classic credits redeemed get you a Headliner and do two Headliner credits redeemed get you a Super Headliner.
Another is how many are you given and do you get them all up front or do none tokens used get stacked on to the next day.
P.S. UK visitors get ready for another round of ticket changes to reflect the new front of line access passes and to include seasonal pricing.

P.S.S I've been told DDP when it comes back will be undergoing similar changes:
Either with DDP tokens at sit down dining and signature it would go to a prix fixe menu at all locations and remain the same policies as was in place previously for counter service and snacks
Or they give out a credit amount so if a plan is worth $60 per day it shows on your MDE as $60, to suitably force users from the higher priced options. I'm told from multiple F+B managers either of the plans would be a god send

Um-- Boo !!
 
Great, so I want to pay $150 a ticket with my head buried in a screen all day? Ill pass.

Open up restaurants, shows, meet and greets and everything else and the wait times will drop.

Lower capacity and the wait times will drop.

Fastpass crams more people through that line than would be in the standby line otherwise, hence yes lines would be longer.
You set your fast passes up way before your trip. Why is your head buried in a screen? If you have your face buried in a screen even after you set up fast passes then that is your fault. Don't blame people that prefer fastpasses. I utilized fastpass like a surgeon and I never had my face buried in a screen all day. I barely even looked at my phone.

And your logic for fastpass making the lines longer is extremely flawed.
 
If I posted a rumor saying FP+ was coming back I'm sure you wouldn't be laughing. No amount of rumors will change your love for FP+. It doesn't matter if God Almighty came down from the heavens and stamped it into some stone tablets those that love FP+ still wouldn't believe it.
As if you would ever post anything positive about fastpass.
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