Splash mountain refurbishment

[jvalic33]

Well put!

I disagree, I find it dehumanizing to erase it all because someone is too sensitive to take the time to remember it.

Remember it, elevate it, be thankful, realize that there were people who were still able to make the best of horrible situations and be grateful for all that came before us to get us to where we are today.

 

[Dreams&wishes]

Yeah, the issue has to do with a lack of context and that's important. It's one thing to tell a story and acknowledge the issues of the time and another to just gloss over those issues like they weren't there.

But I mean it was a children's movie, ofcurse they weren't gonna go into the harsh reality of things. Somewhat all the Disney movies that depict that context do so, Tom sawyer, Treasure of matecumbe etc
It probably has somewhat the same approach to "the Life is Beautiful" in a Jews context.

 

[Aluminum Falcon]

I disagree, I find it dehumanizing to erase it all because someone is too sensitive to take the time to remember it.

Remember it, elevate it, be thankful, realize that there were people who were still able to make the best of horrible situations and be grateful for all that came before us to get us to where we are today.

So would you be ok with a film depicting Hitler in a positive light, no one is saying to erase history, they are just saying you should portray history in a light that is reflective of that period in general, not white washing it and making an atrocity into something positive, just because there was bound to be good times and joy in there somewhere, is not a valid excuse to portray an awful time in history that way

 

[BrianL]

I disagree, I find it dehumanizing to erase it all because someone is too sensitive to take the time to remember it.

Remember it, elevate it, be thankful, realize that there were people who were still able to make the best of horrible situations and be grateful for all that came before us to get us to where we are today.

Well, one might say that it was the movie that was "erasing" things by not addressing them at all. I understand why they did it that way, however it is that very lack of context that makes the movie problematic. Is it the most offensive thing ever? No, not really, but it is really something we want to continue to propogate in a theme park? Again, it's about context.

EDIT: Also, this is getting a little far from the topic of the refurb, which it always does. To the topic, I will definitely miss Splash Mountain, and my hopes for the new ride is that they don't cheap out on it, and keep the "Mountain" in the name so it can still count as one. That's what's most important to me.

 

[giantsmets]

I disagree, I find it dehumanizing to erase it all because someone is too sensitive to take the time to remember it.

Remember it, elevate it, be thankful, realize that there were people who were still able to make the best of horrible situations and be grateful for all that came before us to get us to where we are today.

yeah we can remember good moments in bad periods without forcing people to remember America’s disgusting history of whitewashing racism while on their Disney vacations

 

[jjb1974]

I disagree, I find it dehumanizing to erase it all because someone is too sensitive to take the time to remember it.

Remember it, elevate it, be thankful, realize that there were people who were still able to make the best of horrible situations and be grateful for all that came before us to get us to where we are today.

You think that's dehumanizing, you ought to check out chattel slavery.

 

[HopperFan]

My grandmother grew up as the oldest of 11 during the Great Depression and never owned toy because they were so poor. That doesn't mean every time I'm reminded of her or a story she tells that I can't appreciate the fact that there were still times in her life she was happy and revel in her stories.

Through suffering comes redemption. Half of those slaves might be saints today in heaven whereas you or I who have easier lives might have more difficult roads to travel to redeem ourselves.

I can't separate my faith from how I think and I still see a purpose for what people endured and respect it. I can't erase it, erase them, erase their past or their suffering and maybe it isn't bad to remember that when I walk past it. There are sweet and sour emotions there but emotions worth having nonetheless. That is why I also wear a cross.

None of this ^ has anything to do with ... at it's simplest form .... the retheming of AN AMUSEMENT PARK RIDE! Nothing!

The problem here is that most people - even if they watched the movie (I have) - do not understand the core of the problem.

The books, the stories, the characters, the author - his point of view, his characterizations and the purpose of his writings. He wasn't sharing folklore for others. He took others' folklore, changed the stories and in the end made enough money to live very well. He didn't have the right to do that.

So would you be ok with a film depicting Hitler in a positive light, no one is saying to erase history, they are just saying you should portray history in a light that is reflective of that period in general, not white washing it and making an atrocity into something positive, just because there was bound to be good times and joy in there somewhere, is not a valid excuse to portray an awful time in history that way

And this is the whole point. IF the attraction was themed with the purpose to tell a story in a truthful way from the perspective of those who the stories belong to ... that is another discussion. These are stories that were not his to tell and he changed them so that they presented his point of view and changed history.

Here is a short article by Alice Walker that helps explain ... that these stories were handed down generation to generation in their proper perspective - with no need to read Mr. Harris' books - that changed the stories.

I live in Georgia, it is not unusual for history or stories to be rewritten. Sadly it still happens.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/23268234?seq=3#metadata_info_tab_contents

EDIT: Also, this is getting a little far from the topic of the refurb, which is always does. To the topic, I will definitely miss Splash Mountain, and my hopes for the new ride is that they don't cheap out on it, and keep the "Mountain" in the name so it can still count as one. That's what's most important to me.

Not totally off topic when it is the purpose of the re-theme of the ride that OP seems to want to keep as is. Disney can't do this fast enough so we can start to enjoy the new story, new characters and new music.

 

[middlechild]

Disney has locked the movie away. Never to see the light of day again. Discussing the movie will get the thread locked. The subject of the thread is the ride, a collection of cartoon characters with multiple catchy songs. If you are Internet capable, you could find the stories by Joel Chandler Harris concerning Br'er Rabbit and company. Amazon has a link for $12.99, verified moments ago. Everything in the ride harkens back to this book. And those stories contain a moral such as not running away from trouble. The ride may induce people to research these characters, or perhaps not. But the three moral messages at the center of Br'er Rabbit et al should not be lost or erased.

 

[Aluminum Falcon]

EDIT: Also, this is getting a little far from the topic of the refurb, which is always does. To the topic, I will definitely miss Splash Mountain, and my hopes for the new ride is that they don't cheap out on it, and keep the "Mountain" in the name so it can still count as one. That's what's most important to me.

i think you're right, I'm done replying haha

 

[Aluminum Falcon]

Disney has locked the movie away. Never to see the light of day again. Discussing the movie will get the thread locked. The subject of the thread is the ride, a collection of cartoon characters with multiple catchy songs. If you are Internet capable, you could find the stories by Joel Chandler Harris concerning Br'er Rabbit and company. Amazon has a link for $12.99, verified moments ago. Everything in the ride harkens back to this book. And those stories contain a moral such as not running away from trouble. The ride may induce people to research these characters, or perhaps not. But the three moral messages at the center of Br'er Rabbit et al should not be lost or erased.

I agree, but they don't have to be maintained by Disney either, especially if they are going to take a PR hit from it

 

[jjb1974]

The subject of the thread is the ride, a collection of cartoon characters with multiple catchy songs.

From a racist movie.

And those stories contain a moral such as not running away from trouble.

Splash Mountain is edutainment?

The ride may induce people to research these characters, or perhaps not.

It might encourage people to hollow out logs and use them to float downstream, or perhaps not.

But the three moral messages at the center of Br'er Rabbit et al should not be lost or erased.

Good thing we got books, then, because "don't runaway from trouble" is a message delivered by no other story.

 

[giantsmets]

Disney has locked the movie away. Never to see the light of day again. Discussing the movie will get the thread locked. The subject of the thread is the ride, a collection of cartoon characters with multiple catchy songs. If you are Internet capable, you could find the stories by Joel Chandler Harris concerning Br'er Rabbit and company. Amazon has a link for $12.99, verified moments ago. Everything in the ride harkens back to this book. And those stories contain a moral such as not running away from trouble. The ride may induce people to research these characters, or perhaps not. But the three moral messages at the center of Br'er Rabbit et al should not be lost or erased.

Ok but do that message about facing your troubles but with another one of the million films about it.

 

[jvalic33]

But I mean it was a children's movie, ofcurse they weren't gonna go into the harsh reality of things. Somewhat all the Disney movies that depict that context do so, Tom sawyer, Treasure of matecumbe etc
It probably has somewhat the same approach to "the Life is Beautiful" in a Jews context.

I don't want to argue. My perception of the movie is different. There were good people back then, there were white abolitionists, there were slaves who chose to remain with some of the families that they worked for because some of them were treated well and treated as part of the family. Yes, I know it may only have been because it was impossible to go from chattel to emancipated over night, but there were good people in the South.

I guess I can find good in almost anything. I've even seen the good in a cancer diagnosis...just who I am and when I hear Zipadeedoohdah, I imagine that for one moment, Uncle Remus and or whomever the slave he would have represented, had peace for a moment when he appreciated the sun rising that day. It is hope and perseverance that keeps people going, no matter how grave the situation is.

 

[Aluminum Falcon]

I don't want to argue. My perception of the movie is different. There were good people back then, there were white abolitionists, there were slaves who chose to remain with some of the families that they worked for because some of them were treated well and treated as part of the family. Yes, I know it may only have been because it was impossible to go from chattel to emancipated over night, but there were good people in the South.

I guess I can find good in almost anything. I've even seen the good in a cancer diagnosis...just who I am and when I hear Zipadeedoohdah, I imagine that for one moment, Uncle Remus and or whomever the slave he would have represented, had peace for a moment when he appreciated the sun rising that day. It is hope and perseverance that keeps people going, no matter how grave the situation is.

I don't want to argue. My perception of the movie is different. There were good people back then, there were white abolitionists, there were slaves who chose to remain with some of the families that they were enslaved to, because some of them were treated well and treated as part of the family. Yes, I know it may only have been because it was impossible to go from chattel to emancipated over night, but there were good people in the South.

Fixed it for you

 

[wfjny]

no offense but I think the idea of walking into an outlet mall and riding a vr Disney attraction really cheapens the experience.

There is a reason that Disney has not hired me.

Yeah, this was not a well thought out business plan, just an idea of offering something for people, while kinda doing some advertising as well.

The trick is to give them an experience and make them want more. We bought our DVC after Disney had a mock 2 bedroom suite set up in Roosevelt Field Mall in New York.

 

[BrianL]

There is a reason that Disney has not hired me.

Yeah, this was not a well thought out business plan, just an idea of offering something for people, while kinda doing some advertising as well.

The trick is to give them an experience and make them want more. We bought our DVC after Disney had a mock 2 bedroom suite set up in Roosevelt Field Mall in New York.

I do like your idea, but I think they should keep it out of malls and such. I think it would be cool to have at Disney Springs or maybe even in Epcot in an Innoventions type of space, maybe the Play Pavilion should that ever get finished. The trick though would be having enough VR units to meet demand, not to mention currently the cleaning for each turnaround. It could be done though.

 

[luv2cheer92]

I'm always amazed at the things people are willingly to publicly say about themselves, anonymous or not.

 

[Airb330]

I'm always amazed at the things people are willingly to publicly say about themselves, anonymous or not.

Me too. This thread is shocking, and shows how far this country needs to go.

I didn't get to ride SM at all last week as it was down every time we were in the area and closed during boo bash. Oh well . I would like to ride it one more time before it closes though tbh.

 

[umichigan10]

To go back to the crux of this thread, have they even said when this refurb is going to get done? They seem to be slow pedaling this to the highest degree possible, and there’s been one very small follow up from Disney about the update since they first announced it last year

 

[luv2cheer92]

To go back to the crux of this thread, have they even said when this refurb is going to get done? They seem to be slow pedaling this to the highest degree possible, and there’s been one very small follow up from Disney about the update since they first announced it last year

The only indication I've seen is that it will be "a while"