Special Needs Pass

Kristen'smom

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Has anyone else heard of this and how does it exactly work. My family, DH, DD and I will be visiting WDW in the fall with my DH's sister, brother in law and 2 kids, so there's going to be 7 of us total. My nephew, age 9, is Autistic and I not sure how he's going to be, I'm really not around him alot. Would the "Pass" be a good thing to check into? I really want him to have a good time!
 
My husband has multiple sclerosis, and at epcot, AK, and MGM we had NO problems whatsoever as we had rented an ECV. however, MK gave us grief at every turn because we hadn't gotten a special needs pass. I would very highly suggest getting a note from the doctor explaining that you are travelling with a special needs child and what types of accomodations would work best for him. check with Guest Services at the entrance to every park and ask for a pass, but carry that letter as well. a strong suggestion would be that if he has trouble in crowds, to have that spelled out in the letter as many rides have a special entrance for special needs that avoids the crowds and in some cases a lot of overwhelming stimulation that you are stuck near for long periods of time. However, you should note that only a limited number of people are allowed to "jump line" to ride with a special needs person, so from the size of your group, you may be splitting up a bit. we did find however that if you time your rides to their quieter times, they did let in larger groups than the technical limit on rides that handled large numbers of people per hour.
 
I dont have an any info to offer you. But if you dont get any responses here you might want to check out the Disability Boards. They are very helpful over there.
 

Kristen'smom said:
Has anyone else heard of this and how does it exactly work. My family, DH, DD and I will be visiting WDW in the fall with my DH's sister, brother in law and 2 kids, so there's going to be 7 of us total. My nephew, age 9, is Autistic and I not sure how he's going to be, I'm really not around him alot. Would the "Pass" be a good thing to check into? I really want him to have a good time!
From the DISabilities forum under the sticky for FAQ's:

Here's a summary of information about GACs (Guest Assistance Cards):

To request one, go to Guest Services in any of the parks and talk to the CM there about your problems and needs. You don't need a doctor's letter.

The diagnosis is not really that important because people with the same diagnosis can have very different needs. The GAC is not given based on diagnosis at all (for example, there is not a "list" of appropriate diagnosis for a GAC); the GAC is given based on needs and the accomidations that meet those needs.

The GAC is usually given for up to 6 people (5 plus the person with a disability) and is valid at all the parks for your length of stay (you don't need to get a new one at each theme park).

A few other things:

The GAC is not meant to be a pass that gives immediate access. In fact, about 6 years ago, they renamed it to Card because when it was called a Pass, people thought it mean front of the line access. It says right on the card that it will not shorten or eliminate waits in line.

It is meant as a tool to tell the CMs what the person's needs are so that they can provide appropriate accomidation for the person it was issued to. Some examples of accomidations might be a quieter place to wait, a place out of the sun (for those times when the line is in the sun for a prolonged period of time), using a stroller as a wheelchair, avoiding stairs.

Even if you have a GAC, not all accomidations are available at each attraction (especially, some may not have a place to sit)

Because what is stamped on the GAC is based on needs, not all GACs say the same thing.

Think of the GAC like an insurance card, not necessarily needed or used all the time, but there for when you need it.

Even on the same attraction, the GAC is not always handled the same each time. Exactly what happens depends on how busy it is, how many other people with special needs are there at the time and staffing. Some times you may be sent thru the regular standby line, occassionally the fastpass line; sometimes the person with the GAC and a member of their party will be given an alternate place to wait while the rest of the party goes thru the standby line - and then meet up with them when they get to the front. Sometimes you might be given a slip and told you can come back at the time written on the slip (usually equal to the standby time); very occassionally, you might be taken right in. It depends on what they call "attraction considerations" (which is basically the things I listed in the second sentence).

Fastpass is a good way to avoid waits in line. You don't have to be present to get a fastpass, you can send one member of your party ahead with all the park passes to get fastpasses. When you report back to the ride at your fastpass return time, your wait will be 15 minutes or less.

For people who are concerned about stamina or endurance, Disney suggests a wheelchair renting a motorized scooter (also called ecv; for over 18 yrs and up). The distance and time spent going around the parks is much greater than the time and distance spent in line. With an ecv or wheelchair, you will always have a place to sit and can conserve energy for fun, instead of just getting around. There is information about ecvs/wheelchairs farther up in this disABILITIES FAQs. Most lines are wheelchair/ecv accessible.

If you get tired and needs to lie down in air conditioning for a while, there is a First Aid station in each park. They have cots in individual cubicles for resting.
 
I know that you don't need a doctor's letter, but speaking from experience, they can be VERY handy to have. I'd mentioned we got a lot of grief at MK (which was just plain shocking, I'd never heard of anyone having the horrid experiences we did) over my husband's disability and having that doctor's letter with us on letterhead saved us a lot of trouble in that park. is it needed? NO. Might you be happy you had it? You very well might be.
 
Figment1964 said:
From the DISabilities forum under the sticky for FAQ's:
Thank you for copying the information. I was going to post a link, but this is better.
Several points, just for emphasis:
You don't need a doctor's letter. Some people feel more confident asking about a Guest Assistance Card at Guest Relations if they have a letter, but you don't need a letter and the CMs will often not want to look at it.
The GAC is based on needs that need accomidation, not on the diagnosis that the person has.
Using an ECV or wheelchair "cues" the CM in to the need for an accessible entrance, so most people with ECVs or wheelchairs don't need a GAC (unless they have additional needs).
The GAC you get at one park is valid at all the theme parks. If you go to a water park, you need to stop at Guest Services to get information about what accomidations are available or what limitations there might be because of the disability (ie, some water park rides are only accessible with stairs, for some you must be a good swimmer, etc),


There are quite a few frequent posters on the disABILITIES Board who have children on the autism spectrum, so if you look around a bit, you will find quite a few helpful threads.
 
Problems with Guest Assistance Cards usually occur because the CM at a ride does not follow its instructions correctly, and this is exacerbated because each guest's GAC is different.

Usually an error is in the guest's favor and results in quicker entrance to the ride, but then the guest is surprised when the CM at the next ride follows the instructions on the card and does not grant such quick entrance.

Once in awhile the error is against the guest and results in such frustrations as having to go out and around to a different entrance.

>>> grief (,which was ... ?) at every turn

A GAC is not mandatory simply because you are using a wheelchair or because you use a cane and move unusually slowly. The GAC would be needed if you are unable to go through the line that "most people in wheelchairs" go through.

Disney hints:
http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/disney.htm
 
seashoreCM said:
Problems with Guest Assistance Cards usually occur because the CM at a ride does not follow its instructions correctly, and this is exacerbated because each guest's GAC is different.[/url]
One of the problems is that the GAC can sometimes not be followed exactly the same on all attractions. People assume they can and the CMs sometimes don't do a good job (or don't have time to) explain.
Sometimes the accomidation that was available at one attaction is not available at another. And sometimes, what happens depends on when you come, how busy it is, how many other people with special needs are already waiting and the staffing for that attraction. So, you might even end up being handled differently during 2 visits to the same attraction.

For example, at Haunted Mansion, sometimes the waiting area for people with special needs is already full when you arrive and the CM may give you a slip of paper with a return time on it. If the CM doesn't explain why they are doing that, the guest may feel they are being mistreated (especially if the standby line has a short or no wait). Occasionally, there is no one with special needs waiting and the CM may take the party with special needs right away for what I would call operational needs - ie, maybe the CM knows that the staffing is good right now, but someone is going to lunch in 15 minutes. So, if they handle the party with special needs right away, they can be done before the CM's lunch period begins. If that happens at one attraction, guests might think that is the way it's supposed to happen.
You can end up handled both ways at Haunted Mansion, depending on "operational needs".
So which way is right? They both are.

There are also situations where a particular queue is not wheelchair accessible and the guest is taken in thru an alternate entrance. There are very few of these and most are at MK; because the park is old, it was not possible to make some of the attractions accessible. Some guests assume that is the way all the attractions are supposed to work and are puzzled when they are asked to go in the regular line for the next attraction. There are also some attractions that are wheelchair accessible, but not accessible to ECVs.
I know one attraction that people have complained about having to leave their ECVs outside is Pirates. People have written that they could not see why they needed to do this since the walk into the attraction is wide with no steps. People have suggested that they should be able to take their ECV into the exit and board there. The things guests can't see are that the boarding and exit area are actually in 2 different buildings. If a guest with an ECV or non-folding wheelchair boards at the regular boarding area, there needs to be a CM free who can take the ECV to the exit area. And, for that attraction, it's not possible to board at the exit because right after guests get off, the boats go up thru an area that is just high enough for the boats to fit thru (no room for guests). It was an attraction designed a long time ago when accessibility was not really thought of.

There are a few CMs who just don't "get it". One problem attraction which people have written about (and we have also experienced) is Splash Mountain. There is a point where the standby line goes up a flight of steps; at that point, there is also a chain "gate" with a wheelchair symbol on it. When the person with a wheelchair or ECV gets to that point, they are supposed to wait there for the CM to open the chain.
Some guests open the chain themselves and continue up that path (that sometimes makes the CM mad). We have had the experience of waiting patiently at that gate and when the CM comes, she's said she "can't let" us go thru the gate because that would be "cutting in line". And pointed us back to the regular line which goes up the stairs.
Even though we pointed out to her that DD is using a wheelchair and can't walk up the steps (and is too heavy to carry at 5 feet tall and 84 pounds). That CM would not budge; when we asked for a supervisor, she said of course we could not be expected to take a wheelchair up the stairs. That same thing has happened to other people. Plus, because DD has other needs besides needs for accessibility, we also had a GAC. So, having a GAC doesn't always help.

Another situation that other people have also experienced was on Small World. Even when the line of people waiting is short, some CMs seem to enjoy making people with wheelchairs and ECVs "snake" thru the regular line. In sseveral situations I'm aware of (us personally and people posting), there was no one ahead in the line until you got to the point near the regular boarding area where the wheelchair and ECV users are routed to the exit to board because the regular boarding area is not accessible. That seemed to be more a "power play" by the CM than anything else; the person with a wheelchair or ECV would not have gotten on board any faster if they were sent directly to the wheelchair boarding area, but the trip thru the line would have been easier.

In most situations, getting a supervisor involved clears up the problem. Sometimes and individual CM is just not informed or is overzealous (the case in Splash Mountain) or is just kind of nasty (the case in the Small World situation). Getting the supervisor invloved also educates the CM who is not doing things correctly.

And sometimes, there is a good reason why the CM is telling the guest that they can't do what they want to do - a guest once complained that her "rights had been violated" because her service dog was not allowed on Peter Pan. She got into a big arguement with the CMs at Peter Pan. She posted about it on this board and the disABILITIES Board (still very angry); we were able to explain to her satisfaction that there were some attractions the dog couldn't go on, why that was the case and how to find out which ones were a problem. She had not looked at the Guidebook for Guests with Disabilities, the park map or the sign at the attraction that said dogs were not allowed on that particular attraction, so she just assumed when she was told "no" that her right were being violated.

I'd be interested in finding out from the poster who had problems, what the problems were and on which attractions. We may be able to clear them up or help them not happen to other people (I know CMs read these boards regularly).
 
SueM in MN said:
One of the problems is that the GAC can sometimes not be followed exactly the same on all attractions. People assume they can and the CMs sometimes don't do a good job (or don't have time to) explain.
Sometimes the accomidation that was available at one attaction is not available at another. And sometimes, what happens depends on when you come, how busy it is, how many other people with special needs are already waiting and the staffing for that attraction. So, you might even end up being handled differently during 2 visits to the same attraction...............


I know one attraction that people have complained about having to leave their ECVs outside is Pirates. People have written that they could not see why they needed to do this since the walk into the attraction is wide with no steps. People have suggested that they should be able to take their ECV into the exit and board there. The things guests can't see are that the boarding and exit area are actually in 2 different buildings. If a guest with an ECV or non-folding wheelchair boards at the regular boarding area, there needs to be a CM free who can take the ECV to the exit area. And, for that attraction, it's not possible to board at the exit because right after guests get off, the boats go up thru an area that is just high enough for the boats to fit thru (no room for guests). It was an attraction designed a long time ago when accessibility was not really thought of.

I'd be interested in finding out from the poster who had problems, what the problems were and on which attractions. We may be able to clear them up or help them not happen to other people (I know CMs read these boards regularly).

Sue,
Thanks for great info about the inconsistencies that GAC or WC/ECV
users may experience when accessing Disney's attractions.
I am an EVC user and was aware the PoC was not EVC accessible but I was unaware the boarding area and exit are actually in different buildings.
Very interesting.
Thanks for the explanation.
 












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