Southwest May Adopt Assigned Seats on Flights

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Southwest May Adopt Assigned Seats on Flights

By Keith L. Alexander
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, May 17, 2006


Southwest Airlines acknowledged yesterday that it was considering abandoning its free-for-all boarding process and implementing assigned seating.

The nation's largest low-cost carrier said it spent $5 million to enhance its reservation system as part of an internal test to see if it could easily implement assigned seating. The company also is examining how assigned seating would affect its operations.

Southwest officials stressed that the airline has not decided to adopt assigned seating; it is merely aggressively exploring the possibility after complaints from passengers about the current system.

"In order to look at the possibility as to will this work for Southwest Airlines, we needed to bump up the reservation system a little bit," Southwest spokeswoman Beth Hardin said. "We're very much in the investigative mode as of now."

Southwest is the nation's only major carrier that does not offer assigned seating. Since the airline's founding 35 years ago, Southwest executives have been against designated seats, saying it would be costly to print boarding passes. The airline had also said the standard system would slow its ability to get flights out on time.

Despite the airline's low fares, some passengers, particularly business travelers, have never embraced the open-seating policy. To get a preferred seat, passengers have to arrive at the airport hours before their flight to be among the first group to board. Or they have to remember to check in for their flight via the Internet at least 24 hours before to earn a spot in that early-boarding group.

With a herd of passengers stampeding onto the aircraft to find seats, some travelers have likened the airline's boarding process to a cattle call.

On regular trips to Cleveland from Baltimore, Chevy Chase construction consultant Robert Salmon said he has often bought more expensive tickets on other carriers, such as Continental Airlines to avoid the risk of getting stuck in a middle seat on Southwest. Salmon says he has paid as much as $15 more each way, even when Southwest had lower price tickets available.

"I'm willing to pay for a reserved seat," Salmon said. "I don't consider [Southwest] because they don't reserve seats."

Southwest, the nation's sixth-largest airline, is the No. 1 carrier at Baltimore-Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport. In the fall, the airline will begin flying out of Washington Dulles International Airport.

As other airlines have cut costs and ticket prices and as budget carriers such as AirTran Airways and JetBlue Airways have expanded, industry experts said Southwest has lost some of its competitive edge.

"Southwest has to do this to stay competitive," said airline consultant Mike Boyd of the Denver-based Boyd Group. "They're going to be pushed out of markets if they don't."
 
Interesting. I was worried about this for our Dec trip. Logging on by internet before departure isn't a problem from home, but I won't be able to from the Poly on our return trip, AFAIK.

Cool pic!
 
I am holding my "A" boarding Pass for tomorrows flight....I rather like the "A B C" lines. :guilty:
 
holcomb-mania said:
Interesting. I was worried about this for our Dec trip. Logging on by internet before departure isn't a problem from home, but I won't be able to from the Poly on our return trip, AFAIK.

Cool pic!

yes but the poly's guest services counter will gladly do this for you... as will any wdw resort... just bring them the info a few hours before you need them to check in/print your boarding passes for you and they'll do it w/in a reasonable amount of time after your flight is available (for a 6pm flight they checked us in at 8pm the night before, thereby securing A boarding passes)

just one more bit of pixie dust! :wizard:
 

This is SWA biggest customer service gripe .Even with that they are still lowest with Customer service for complaint to fliers averages.I've never had a problem getting A's but also have no problem with seat assignments if they don't cause the rates to go up.

This was the entire point of them as some people won't purchase a flight if they know in advance that they can't sit together or only center seats are availible.

So we will have to wait and see.Maybe when they get to just centers they will put them up as DINGS and get real good rates on them.
 
holcomb-mania said:
Interesting. I was worried about this for our Dec trip. Logging on by internet before departure isn't a problem from home, but I won't be able to from the Poly on our return trip, AFAIK.

Cool pic!

Poly front desk will check you in and print your boarding passes for you.....

(whoops took to long to post)
 
That's why I don't fly Southwest. I'll gladly pay a bit more for an assigned seat. In fact, I bypassed a fare of $198 to Denver recently on Southwest for a flight on USAir at a cost of $329. I'm not a big fan of USAir, but at least I didn't have to deal with the cattle call.

What one pays is what one gets.
 
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I for one like SW the way it is. I hope they do not go to assigned seats. It helps keep the cost down. It's only an airline flight, not the rest of your life. Sit in the middle and make a new friend or two. I understand families with young children not wanting to split up, but they get to preboard anyway. So if our family of 4 must split up for 2 hours on our way down or back, no big deal. There are certainly more important things in life to worry about. JMO
 
SW had said this several times in the past and then backed away. I would not hold your breath. And for those of you booking others for "seat assignments", at least once a week I read a post that says something like ''Airline X took my seat assignments and scattered my kids all over the plane" Buying a ticket and picking your seat does NOT in any way gurantee your seat... (It helps if you are a frequent flyer with lots of miles traveling alone, I rarely get moved)
 
simzac said:
I understand families with young children not wanting to split up, but they get to preboard anyway.

how old do the children have to be in order to pre-board? I though they needed to be under 5 :confused3

My younger girls are 6 and 9....I would never want them to sit alone on any flight.

We are considering using SW for our flight in January because we may have enough RR points to get a free ticket (thanks to DH's business travel). I plan on checking in online from our cruise the night before our departure home so I'm hoping the seating issue won't be a problem for us.
 
On regular trips to Cleveland from Baltimore, Chevy Chase construction consultant Robert Salmon said he has often bought more expensive tickets on other carriers, such as Continental Airlines to avoid the risk of getting stuck in a middle seat on Southwest. Salmon says he has paid as much as $15 more each way, even when Southwest had lower price tickets available.
As other airlines have cut costs and ticket prices...
Hmm... looks like some information in this article was outdated before it was printed... :)

cepmom said:
My younger girls are 6 and 9....I would never want them to sit alone on any flight.

We are considering using SW for our flight in January
Then you should probably check in online 24 hours in advance, arrive at the airport early, wait in the A line and move to the back of the plane (where more seats together will be available, especially during A boarding - because many passengers don't just want to be the first ones ON the plane, they also want to be first off.).
 
I was a flight attendant for Southwest and the reason for the lack of assigned seating was always to decrease turn around time. The amount of time in a "turn around" began the moment the plane lands until it departs again. By NOT assigning seats, customers are able to load into a plane more quickly. There is none of the "I think you may be in my seat" and "Can you show me where this seat is?" It simply makes the boarding run more smoothly and efficiently in MOST cases. Now I could start long narratives about instances when it wasn't smooth and efficient, but I will spare you those stories.....
Anyway, a more efficient turn around results in the low fares that SW is known and loved for by many people. If you don't have to worry about cost and prefer a slower more relaxed boarding, SW just may not be the airline for you... :thumbsup2 I just assume that assigning seats would have the potential to increase ticket prices..... :rolleyes:
 
Hmm... looks like some information in this article was outdated before it was printed... :)
Not really. Many folks have been noticing, recently, that the legacy carriers are now much more often than before coming in with a lower fare than the low-cost airlines.

I just assume that assigning seats would have the potential to increase ticket prices.
Or to justify fares that are already higher.
 
They just had a news report and it said DON'T expect this to happen until 2008 at the earliest.
 
CarolA said:
SW had said this several times in the past and then backed away. I would not hold your breath. And for those of you booking others for "seat assignments", at least once a week I read a post that says something like ''Airline X took my seat assignments and scattered my kids all over the plane" Buying a ticket and picking your seat does NOT in any way gurantee your seat... (It helps if you are a frequent flyer with lots of miles traveling alone, I rarely get moved)

So true!! Song did this to us! We purchased 8 months in advance, got our seat assignments and then they cancelled our flight, and moved us to another one with no seat assignments left available. We ended up fending for ourselves on the plane, and we had 2 four year olds that were scattered about the plane. Unbelievable! It worked out in the end, but not without a lot of tears first from my little ones, and certainly no thanks to the flight attendants.
 
I agree with simzac above........for a 2 hour flight sit and make a new friend or two......our family has been using SW exclusively for several years now and we have no problems with boarding the way it is......we check in 24 hours in advance and off we go....sometimes its just DH and I traveling, sometimes four of us, or sometimes six of us....it's simply never been a problem with us (and we do have a young grandson and never had a problem sitting together). Our 17 year old actually looks forward to finding a seat next to an interesting person and beginning a conversation. He's had several interesting seatmates over the last few years. He prefers to sit several rows away from the family just for this reason. Another poster above also mentioned this was SW's biggest customer service problem........yet, SW still is heads above other airlines in so far as good customer service. Doesn't that say something to the flying public??????
 
I love the current system. It is fair and equitable. I also think it contributes to their on time performance. Everybody is there early to get their seat.

I think it would be sad if they went to pre-assigned seats.

evaready51

Barrington, Il
 
I use to fly SW and I got tired of the rush to find your seat. It is good for some but not for me and I am glad they might attempt the process of assigning a seat. This will take away from the pre-boarders stealing the exit row seats when technically they should not be allowed to sit there and this will stop the saving of seats. What I mean by saving seats is an A boarder putting things in the other seats for their friends who are C Boarders. Something has to change because it truly is a cattle call process. Another reason why it's good is because of the times that I hear that the FA's will ask over the PA if people can relocate so families can sit together. If they wanted to sit together then they would have shown up to the airport earlier or flown an airline with assigned seating.


Rex
 
NO, say it isn't so!

I love the way SWA does its boarding and I am always travelling with a family of 6! DH, myself and 4 DD's.

We have never once on a flight, with assigned seats, sat all together! We have been rows apart and seperated many different ways. We have been assigned seats of 2, 2, & 3 and 4 & 2.

I love the quick turnaround of flights with SWA and the just walk on and find a seat - which in several flights with them, we have never not sat side by side.
 














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