South African runner Semenya An Intersexed Individual

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South African runner Caster Semenya reportedly is a hermaphrodite — a person with male and female sexual characteristics.
Semenya, 18, won the women's 800 metres with ease at last month's world track and field championships in Berlin amid accusations that she is a man.
Several media outlets reported Thursday that gender tests conducted by the International Association of Athletics Federations in July reveal she has internal testes — male sexual organs which produce testosterone — and no womb or ovaries.
Semenya also has three times more testosterone in her system than a normal female.
IAAF spokesman Nick Davies confirmed to The Associated Press in an e-mail that the test results had been received by track's governing body but won't be made public for "at least a few weeks."
"They now need to be examined by a group of experts and we will not be in a position to speak to the athlete about them for at least a few weeks," he wrote. "After that, depending on the results, we will meet privately with the athlete to discuss further action."
"I see it all as a joke," Semenya told You, a South African magazine in which she strikes a glamorous pose on the cover of the most recent issue.
"It doesn't upset me. God made me the way I am and I accept myself.
"I am who I am and I'm proud of myself. I don't want to talk about the tests — I'm not even thinking about them."
The tests incited outrage in South Africa which has embraced Semenya as a national heroine, regardless of her sexual ambiguity.
As such, the IAAF is reluctant to revoke her gold medal and/or disqualify her from future competitions.
"There certainly is evidence Semenya is a hermaphrodite," an anonymous source familiar with the IAAF inquiry told the Sydney Daily Telegraph. "The trouble is the IAAF now have the whole ANC and the whole of South Africa on their backs.
"Everything is going to have to be done absolutely by the book. No question of a challenge to our findings."
'It is complicated'

South African track coach Wilfred Daniels resigned in shame, admitting he failed Semenya for not telling her the IAAF planned to test her.
Once mandatory for female Olympians, gender testing was scrapped in 1999.
Final results on Semenya will be forthcoming in two weeks.
"There is all sorts of scans you do," the source was quoted in the Daily Telegraph. "This is why it is complicated.
"In the past, you used to do a gynecological exam, blood test, chromosome test, whatever. That is why they [results] were challenged because it is not quite so simple.
"What they do now is they do everything and then they can say, 'Look, not only has she got this, she has got that and the other.'
"The problem for us is to avoid it being an issue now which is very personal. Of the organs being a hermaphrodite, of not being a real woman, it is very dramatic."

Should her win still count?
 
I think it's fine that she has pride in herself and thinks that God made her who she is. However, the issue is whether it's fair for her to compete against females and I think the answer to that is no.

I also think it's ridiculous for her to cry racism. Don't you think that 99.9% of black female athletes don't want to compete against her?
 
I agree...it's not fair to the other female athletes. On the news, they said she has something like 10 times the testosterone of a "normal" woman.
 
If she is a woman, then why is it not okay that she competes with women? Is she supposed to compete wiht men ? Does she have enough testosterone to be considered a man ? It is not racist but it is discriminatory ! I think her win should count.
 

This is kind of tricky. It doesn't seem fair to the other women for Semenya to compete against them (given her naturally elevated testosterone levels). And it doesn't seem fair to Semenya to make her compete against men. It also doesn't seem fair to Semenya to prohibit her from competing at all. It appears that there just isn't a category.

I'm just not sure what should be done if anything.
 
This is a really tough situation. I don't think Semenya purposely tried to decieve anyone. She probably didn't even know she had internal testes and high testosterone- just that she was muscular and not typically "feminine" looking. While I do thnk her gender ambiguity causes her to have an unfiar advantage over other female athletes, I don't think her gold should be taken away from her. Going forward- now that is a sticky situation. She really shouldn't compete against women, but she shouldn't compete against men, either. It is a tough call, and whatever the result is, it isn't going to result in her competing on a "level playing field". I feel bad for her, especially having this revealed in the public eye.
 
I don't think it's her fault at all, but I still don't think she should be allowed to compete against women.
 
ok, according to the article posted by the OP: "she has internal testes — male sexual organs which produce testosterone — and no womb or ovaries. Semenya also has three times more testosterone in her system than a normal female." this means she is genetically a he, no matter how she perceives herself. i can't say whether or not it is fair for her to compete against female athletes, because i honestly don't know whether or not the additional testosterone gives her an edge (i assume it would), but i wouldn't be surprised if her win were called into question or set aside.
 
I don't think it's fair to the other women, but I don't know what is fair to her.
 
That's why I came here. I wanted other opinions. I feel bad for her, but I also feel sorry for any women that have to compete against her....seems like an unfair advantage even if it's not her fault. I do think, however, that she knew about her physical differences before this...and I guess someone misspoke on the news when they said 10 times the testosterone rather than three times.
 
I feel absoultely horrible for this young lady. She has been humiliated world wide with this discussion. The Olympic committee handled this badly and should be ashamed of themselves.

Imagine being this girl coming from this tiny village where now she will be considered a freakshow let alone what the world is saying about her. I don't think she knew it personally. It's very common for female athletes to not have normal cycles that result in periods. I don't think she was out there trying to dupe the world and that she should keep her records.

I guess to continue to compete she will have to get hormone shots to counter act the testerone unless some kind of surgery removal can happen.

I wish I could just let this girl hide in my house untl all this conversation dies down. I can't imagine being 19 and having all this conversation about me and my body all over the world. Poor girl.
 
When I first saw a picture of her, and heard about the controversy surrounding her I actually wondered if she had both male and female parts. She does look more like a man than a woman, and if she has 10 times the amount of testosterone that a regular woman has I'm not sure she should be competing with women. Is her "winning" then really all that accurate?
 
I feel awful for this girl. I dont think she should be able to compete against women, but I really dont know how to make things right for her either. We would not allow someone that didn't qualify for the special olympics to compete against people do qualify because it clearly gives that person an advantage over the others and the playing field is not level.

Since this is obviously rare and unique it's not like they would have a special olympics for her to compete in against others like her.
 
The reason I'm pretty sure she knew is that her coach said (when all the controversy started), "We entered her as a woman and we want to keep it that way." He obviously knew something was different and how would he know if she didn't?
 
The reason I'm pretty sure she knew is that her coach said (when all the controversy started), "We entered her as a woman and we want to keep it that way." He obviously knew something was different and how would he know if she didn't?

Yes, and her grandmother has been quoted as saying there have been issues about her gender her entire life.
 
She is the way she was made. She should not be barred from competition. Maybe she could be , I dunno...handicapped, like a racehorse, to level the field?

Poor girl.
 
The Wikipedia article about intersex people has a reference to this woman:

Edinanci Fernandes da Silva (born August 23, 1976 in Sousa, Paraíba) is a judoka from Brazil, who won the gold medal in the half heavyweight division (– 78 kg) at the Pan American Games. A resident of São Paulo, she represented the country at three consecutive Summer Olympics, starting in 1996 in Atlanta, Georgia.

Edinanci was born with both male and female sex organs. In the mid-1990s she had surgery, in order to live and compete as a woman.

Note that she had surgery in order to compete as a woman.
 
According to health.discovery.com, "Most men produce 6-8 mg of the male hormone testosterone (an androgen) per day, compared to most women who produce 0.5 mg daily." If she is producing three times as much, that still only amounts to 1.5 mg a day, which is way less than a normal male, and not that far off the normal "high" end of the range for some women (0.2 - 1.0 mg daily). I think she should keep her medal, and be allowed to compete. A hormonal "imbalance," so to speak, shouldn't invalidate someone's athletic achievement.
 
A hormonal "imbalance," so to speak, shouldn't invalidate someone's athletic achievement.

But having male sexual organs and not female sexual organs should invalidate a person's future ability to compete as a female.
 













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