Sorry to bring up again, but does anyone feel like me? How do I get past this?

Originally posted by DisneyRoys
I am having the same feelings as you. I just don't understand how this could have happened. My stomach has been in knots, I'm on the verge of tears, and I am terrified of what the next four years will now bring. You're not alone. :grouphug:

This is exactly how I felt when Bill Clinton was elected in 1992. We are exactly the same age (our birthdays are 1 day apart), and I'd been aware of his abysmal treatment of women for years and just could not believe that we had elected someone like that. And these were NOT made up stories from his opposition - the worst things I heard about him were from his democratic cronies in Arkansas long before he ran for president.

And the world went on. Besides dropping his drawers and embarrassing himself and his family (no surprise here) he managed to get through 8 years without destroying our country. The USA is a great country. No one person on either side of the fence has the power to do us in.

I worked very hard to get GWB re-elected, but if my side had not been successful then I would have really, really, really hoped that Kerry would have stepped up to the task, and I truly would have wanted him to be successful for the sake of our nation.
 
Regarding Laura Jean's quip of, "got an issue? use a tissue!". C'mon you guys, get a grip! After the horrors of the past year or so, we aren't entitled to gloat even a little? You are upset. I am gleeful. LauraJean, I dare to say, is gleeful, too, but her comments are completely appropriate in a very silly way.

If Kerry won, what kind of sympathetic words would you be saying to those of us who would be horrified at Bush's defeat? Considering what's been said during this campaign, would you be saying, "Oh, Kendra, it'll get better. At least Kerry isn't Hitler." or "oh, Kendra, it's okay Kerry won, Europe will like us now." What are you expecting?

So now, even a little humor is considered a bit too impolitic for you? Funny, too. . . when I found all the Bush bashing offensive, none of you seemed to care too much! Sensitive souls, akll of you are, when it suits you.

I want to mention to the OP. I completely understand your feelings. I would have felt exactly the same way. I really believed Bush would win, but during the coverage on TV, of course I was scared that he wouldn't. And, I felt very strongly that Bush needed to remain in office. I avoided DIS the day before the election, until after the results were in. I avoided news shows, etc. I really just couldn't bear it, I believed, if Bush lost.

So, with all the heightened emotions over the past several months or more, how can you not expect us---AT ALL-- to be happy. I believe the Democrats ran a really dirty campaign, and I believe it came back to haunt them tenfold. Had they held their tongues a little bit, screamed a little bit less, picked a centrist candidate, you might all be gleeful yourselves right about now.
 
Originally posted by Kendra17
Regarding Laura Jean's quip of, "got an issue? use a tissue!". C'mon you guys, get a grip! After the horrors of the past year or so, we aren't entitled to gloat even a little? You are upset. I am gleeful. LauraJean, I dare to say, is gleeful, too, but her comments are completely appropriate in a very silly way.

If Kerry won, what kind of sympathetic words would you be saying to those of us who would be horrified at Bush's defeat? Considering what's been said during this campaign, would you be saying, "Oh, Kendra, it'll get better. At least Kerry isn't Hitler." or "oh, Kendra, it's okay Kerry won, Europe will like us now." What are you expecting?

Considering that the OP seemed to be expressing very real emotions, I think it was very tacky to post such a snide comment. While I don't deny you or the poster of that comment the right to feel glee, that doesn't give you the right to rup the OP's "nose in it". I think that poster's choice for a place to express her glee in whatever way showed for little tact and caring... something I find has become all too common on the DIS of late.

If Kerry had won, you may not have gotten a sympathetic word from me but I would have at least shown the restraint to not post to a thread where you were seeking consolation for feeling the loss. Let's take politics out of this and say the OP had just lost a job and was posting to express her disappointment, concerns, worries, etc. If the "get a tissue" comment had been made, would you have been as understanding of it?

Kendra, we may not agree on many things related to politics but I don't think we've ever disagreed as strongly as on this one. This isn't about attacking someone's politics or preferred candidate but a very direct personal attack... again one of many directed at the Kerry supporters. Go ahead, do your happy dance, think "I told you so", blow raspberries, or whatever you want to do to express your glee that Bush won... as long as you do not use that glee to kick someone when they are down.
 
Originally posted by LisaZoe


Kendra, we may not agree on many things related to politics but I don't think we've ever disagreed as strongly as on this one.

Yes, we have. Nevertheless, the job loss is a poor example. You are absolutely correct that a comment such as "get a tissue' would be rude. However, considering most of us here have participated in very heated debates over the past months or year or whatever, I disagree in this case.

Also, I found the comment regarding the poster who stated she felt as desperate as a suicide bomber (I paraphrase) much much worse than, "get a tissue". Funny how we see things so much differently.

When I came on this thread, I had no idea what it was about, though I guessed it might be a political thing. The poster did NOT specify "Kerry supporters only". I'm sure you haven't noticed, but I haven't even entered any of the Kerry supporters only threads, much less post on them.

On this thread, I was included on a list of people who weren't helpful. Until I made that list, I hadn't posted anything rude or snide or controversial on this thread. I had commented about the suicide bombing post, but that's it.

Your skin just seems a bit too thin. All of you seem offended beyond belief at the "have an issue, get a tissue" comment, but none of you found the suicide bombing thing at all offensive? The comparisons of Bush and Rumsfeld (as discussed on previous threads) to Hitler, Goerring, Saddam, and OBL, offensive? You don't find the constant insults regarding bush's intelligence to be offensive? What about the Koolaid comments that were constantly directed to Republicans?

I don't understand why all of you would even respond to such a silly comment as the one LauraJean made. It's funny, but it's silly. I'm taking it to mean "go have a good cry. . . you lost". What's offensive to that?

Yeah, we disagree but this is mild. We've disagreed on much much more than this. You would consider her comment divisive, then. . . but not the examples I cited in a previous paragraph? Those are okay? What about the haikus on the thread you started? I considered it all in good fun, but maybe I should reconsider and take all those personally, as well.
 

Originally posted by snoopy
How gracious of you. :rolleyes:

The one really nice thing about this election and its relation to the DIS boards is it has separated those with class from those who have none.

I just have to go out on a limb, even though I know I shouldn't post on these sorts of threads.....

I have to say that I cannot count the times something absolutely NASTY or horrible or utterly offensive to me, has been posted on the pro-Bush threads. I mean to the point where my jaw was dropped on the console and could not believe that another American was writing this about the President. I couldn't stand Clinton, but I thought he deserved at least my respect at the CiC. Sure, a joke about his wandering eye, or even a joke about Bush's misuse of our vocabulary- fine. Who cares about those kinds of things.

I think BOTH sides have shown completely classless-ness on these boards...gimme a break. Sure, the poster was being snarky, but I don't think it was ruthless or hateful like some of the other posts I have seen towards Bush or Bush supporters.
 
Originally posted by Kendra17
Yes, we have. Nevertheless, the job loss is a poor example. You are absolutely correct that a comment such as "get a tissue' would be rude. However, considering most of us here have participated in very heated debates over the past months or year or whatever, I disagree in this case.

Fine, if the OP had been bashing Bush then defending him, rubbing it in that Bush won, etc. would have been understandable. This thread, though, seemed to be more about a feeling of personal loss - no matter what the cause of the feeling it was personal. Coming on this thread to gloat was unkind no matter how heated debates may have been. I've seen so many posts about how we should get past the politics and all be friends again... then I see posts like that and realize it's obvious it won't happen. I know those kind of posts crop up on non-political threads and I would be just as irritated by them as I am by this one. When someone is down, why would anyone find enjoyment in making them feel worse?

On this thread, I was included on a list of people who weren't helpful. Until I made that list, I hadn't posted anything rude or snide or controversial on this thread. I had commented about the suicide bombing post, but that's it.

You have every right to defend yourself in such an event. If the OP had directed a comment at the poster who made the "tissue" comment, then I'd consider it to be a mutual confrontation and leave it alone.

Your skin just seems a bit too thin.

Probably because so many are "rubbing it in" and have worn us raw. Again, go ahead and gloat but don't do so at the expense of making someone feel even worse... it takes so much of the shine off the win, I'd think.

All of you seem offended beyond belief at the "have an issue, get a tissue" comment, but none of you found the suicide bombing thing at all offensive? The comparisons of Bush and Rumsfeld (as discussed on previous threads) to Hitler, Goerring, Saddam, and OBL, offensive? You don't find the constant insults regarding bush's intelligence to be offensive? What about the Koolaid comments that were constantly directed to Republicans?

Again, if the OP had started a thread making such a comment, I'd feel it was "hands off". I've seen enough such threads from both sides and usually avoid them. I missed the "suicide bomber" post so cannot comment on it - but probably would not comment if another poster had ridiculed such a statement.

I don't understand why all of you would even respond to such a silly comment as the one LauraJean made. It's funny, but it's silly. I'm taking it to mean "go have a good cry. . . you lost". What's offensive to that?

Basically, it's a low blow. Kicking anyone who is down is poor form... even in boxing.

Yeah, we disagree but this is mild. We've disagreed on much much more than this. You would consider her comment divisive, then. . . but not the examples I cited in a previous paragraph? Those are okay?

Again, I'm not saying you should not respond to posts attacking you or your beliefs. Was the OP of this thread doing so? If not, why was it necessary to attack her - even if you felt it was a silly comment?

What about the haikus on the thread you started? I considered it all in good fun, but maybe I should reconsider and take all those personally, as well.

The haiku thread was all in fun... as much as it could be when it involved politics. Did I attack you or any DIS user by name in a haiku? If I did, then it would be understandable if you took it personally. Until I get personal, you should not take things personally.
 
Originally posted by babar
I really feel very upset about this election. I don't mean that it wasn't fair, but I honestly felt that Bush needed to go. I felt it very strongly!!

How do I get past this? How can I feel I'm being spoken for or represented in this country? This is one of the worst days I can remember.....:(

Take my word for it....you are most definitely not alone. I honestly feel that Bush is ....whatever. Doesn't matter now.

It will be OK.
 
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Babar,

You may be able to relate to this article which explains how many NYers was feeling:

A Blue City (Disconsolate, Even) Bewildered by a Red America
By Joseph Berger
The New York Times

Thursday 04 November 2004

Striking a characteristic New York pose near Lincoln Center yesterday, Beverly Camhe clutched three morning newspapers to her chest while balancing a large latte and talked about how disconsolate she was to realize that not only had her candidate, John Kerry, lost but that she and her city were so out of step with the rest of the country.

"Do you know how I described New York to my European friends?" she said. "New York is an island off the coast of Europe."

Like Ms. Camhe, a film producer, three of every four voters in New York City gave Mr. Kerry their vote, a starkly different choice from the rest of the nation. So they awoke yesterday with something of a woozy existential hangover and had to confront once again how much of a 51st State they are, different in their sensibilities, lifestyles and polyglot texture from most of America. The election seemed to reverse the perspective of the famous Saul Steinberg cartoon, with much of the land mass of America now in the foreground and New York a tiny, distant and irrelevant dot.

Some New Yorkers, like Meredith Hackett, a 25-year-old barmaid in Brooklyn, said they didn't even know any people who had voted for President Bush. (In both Manhattan and the Bronx, Mr. Bush received 16.7 percent of the vote.) Others spoke of a feeling of isolation from their fellow Americans, a sense that perhaps Middle America doesn't care as much about New York and its animating concerns as it seemed to in the weeks immediately after the attack on the World Trade Center.

"Everybody seems to hate us these days," said Zito Joseph, a 63-year-old retired psychiatrist. "None of the people who are likely to be hit by a terrorist attack voted for Bush. But the heartland people seemed to be saying, 'We're not affected by it if there would be another terrorist attack.' "

City residents talked about this chasm between outlooks with characteristic New York bluntness.

Dr. Joseph, a bearded, broad-shouldered man with silken gray hair, was sharing coffee and cigarettes with his fellow dog walker, Roberta Kimmel Cohn, at an outdoor table outside the hole-in-the-wall Breadsoul Cafe near Lincoln Center. The site was almost a cliché corner of cosmopolitan Manhattan, with a newsstand next door selling French and Italian newspapers and, a bit farther down, the Lincoln Plaza theater showing foreign movies.

"I'm saddened by what I feel is the obtuseness and shortsightedness of a good part of the country - the heartland," Dr. Joseph said. "This kind of redneck, shoot-from-the-hip mentality and a very concrete interpretation of religion is prevalent in Bush country - in the heartland."

"New Yorkers are more sophisticated and at a level of consciousness where we realize we have to think of globalization, of one mankind, that what's going to injure masses of people is not good for us," he said.

His friend, Ms. Cohn, a native of Wisconsin who deals in art, contended that New Yorkers were not as fooled by Mr. Bush's statements as other Americans might be. "New Yorkers are savvy," she said. "We have street smarts. Whereas people in the Midwest are more influenced by what their friends say."

"They're very 1950's," she said of Midwesterners. "When I go back there, I feel I'm in a time warp."

Dr. Joseph acknowledged that such attitudes could feed into the perception that New Yorkers are cultural elitists, but he didn't apologize for it.

"People who are more competitive and proficient at what they do tend to gravitate toward cities," he said.

Like those in the rest of the country, New Yorkers stayed up late watching the results, and some went to bed with a glimmer of hope that Mr. Kerry might yet find victory in some fortuitous combination of battleground states. But they awoke to reality. Some politically conscious children were disheartened - or sleepy -enough to ask parents if they could stay home. But even grownups were unnerved.

"To paraphrase our current president, I'm in shock and awe," said Keithe Sales, a 58-year-old former publishing administrator walking a dog near Central Park. He said he and friends shared a feeling of "disempowerment" as a result of the country's choice of President Bush. "There is a feeling of 'What do I have to do to get this man out of office?'''


You can read the entire article here:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/110504Y.shtml


Editor's Note | A centerpiece of the Bush campaign was their claim that Bush was the best man to keep America safe from another terrorist attack. It is worthwhile to note, therefore, the reaction of the city of New York to the election results on Tuesday. This great city, which absorbed the horrific blow of 9/11, did not think Bush was the right man for the job. - wrp
 
Originally posted by Island_Lauri
Babar,

You may be able to relate to this article which explains how many NYers was feeling:

A Blue City (Disconsolate, Even) Bewildered by a Red America
By Joseph Berger
The New York Times

Thursday 04 November 2004

Striking a characteristic New York pose near Lincoln Center yesterday, Beverly Camhe clutched three morning newspapers to her chest while balancing a large latte and talked about how disconsolate she was to realize that not only had her candidate, John Kerry, lost but that she and her city were so out of step with the rest of the country.

"Do you know how I described New York to my European friends?" she said. "New York is an island off the coast of Europe."

Like Ms. Camhe, a film producer, three of every four voters in New York City gave Mr. Kerry their vote, a starkly different choice from the rest of the nation. So they awoke yesterday with something of a woozy existential hangover and had to confront once again how much of a 51st State they are, different in their sensibilities, lifestyles and polyglot texture from most of America. The election seemed to reverse the perspective of the famous Saul Steinberg cartoon, with much of the land mass of America now in the foreground and New York a tiny, distant and irrelevant dot.

Some New Yorkers, like Meredith Hackett, a 25-year-old barmaid in Brooklyn, said they didn't even know any people who had voted for President Bush. (In both Manhattan and the Bronx, Mr. Bush received 16.7 percent of the vote.) Others spoke of a feeling of isolation from their fellow Americans, a sense that perhaps Middle America doesn't care as much about New York and its animating concerns as it seemed to in the weeks immediately after the attack on the World Trade Center.

"Everybody seems to hate us these days," said Zito Joseph, a 63-year-old retired psychiatrist. "None of the people who are likely to be hit by a terrorist attack voted for Bush. But the heartland people seemed to be saying, 'We're not affected by it if there would be another terrorist attack.' "

City residents talked about this chasm between outlooks with characteristic New York bluntness.

Dr. Joseph, a bearded, broad-shouldered man with silken gray hair, was sharing coffee and cigarettes with his fellow dog walker, Roberta Kimmel Cohn, at an outdoor table outside the hole-in-the-wall Breadsoul Cafe near Lincoln Center. The site was almost a cliché corner of cosmopolitan Manhattan, with a newsstand next door selling French and Italian newspapers and, a bit farther down, the Lincoln Plaza theater showing foreign movies.

"I'm saddened by what I feel is the obtuseness and shortsightedness of a good part of the country - the heartland," Dr. Joseph said. "This kind of redneck, shoot-from-the-hip mentality and a very concrete interpretation of religion is prevalent in Bush country - in the heartland."

"New Yorkers are more sophisticated and at a level of consciousness where we realize we have to think of globalization, of one mankind, that what's going to injure masses of people is not good for us," he said.

His friend, Ms. Cohn, a native of Wisconsin who deals in art, contended that New Yorkers were not as fooled by Mr. Bush's statements as other Americans might be. "New Yorkers are savvy," she said. "We have street smarts. Whereas people in the Midwest are more influenced by what their friends say."

"They're very 1950's," she said of Midwesterners. "When I go back there, I feel I'm in a time warp."

Dr. Joseph acknowledged that such attitudes could feed into the perception that New Yorkers are cultural elitists, but he didn't apologize for it.

"People who are more competitive and proficient at what they do tend to gravitate toward cities," he said.

Like those in the rest of the country, New Yorkers stayed up late watching the results, and some went to bed with a glimmer of hope that Mr. Kerry might yet find victory in some fortuitous combination of battleground states. But they awoke to reality. Some politically conscious children were disheartened - or sleepy -enough to ask parents if they could stay home. But even grownups were unnerved.

"To paraphrase our current president, I'm in shock and awe," said Keithe Sales, a 58-year-old former publishing administrator walking a dog near Central Park. He said he and friends shared a feeling of "disempowerment" as a result of the country's choice of President Bush. "There is a feeling of 'What do I have to do to get this man out of office?'''


You can read the entire article here:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/110504Y.shtml


Editor's Note | A centerpiece of the Bush campaign was their claim that Bush was the best man to keep America safe from another terrorist attack. It is worthwhile to note, therefore, the reaction of the city of New York to the election results on Tuesday. This great city, which absorbed the horrific blow of 9/11, did not think Bush was the right man for the job. - wrp

My goodness......how condescending can an article get?
 
Originally posted by Wish I lived in Fl
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The only thing worse than a sore loser is a spiteful winner.
Go to your own Bush victory thread!

My comments had nothing to do with winning or losing. I thought (& still think) the original comment about suicide bombers was in extremely poor taste. Sorry you can't see the difference. Obviously, I wasn't the only one who felt this way.
 
Originally posted by Island_Lauri


http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/110504Y.shtml


Editor's Note | A centerpiece of the Bush campaign was their claim that Bush was the best man to keep America safe from another terrorist attack. It is worthwhile to note, therefore, the reaction of the city of New York to the election results on Tuesday. This great city, which absorbed the horrific blow of 9/11, did not think Bush was the right man for the job. - wrp

That last bit is in the article is a big reason why me and so many of my friends and co-workers here feel betrayed by the rest of the country.
 
Originally posted by LoraJ
That last bit is in the article is a big reason why me and so many of my friends and co-workers here feel betrayed by the rest of the country.

Now I'm offended.

We betrayed you !!??!!!

Some nerve you got there missy.
 
Originally posted by LisaZoe
Considering that the OP seemed to be expressing very real emotions, I think it was very tacky to post such a snide comment. While I don't deny you or the poster of that comment the right to feel glee, that doesn't give you the right to rup the OP's "nose in it". I think that poster's choice for a place to express her glee in whatever way showed for little tact and caring... something I find has become all too common on the DIS of late.


Once the OP said she understood how suicide bombers felt, my sympathy for her went out the door. Feelings like that don't require sympathy, they require professional help. That was my advice.
 
Originally posted by LoraJ
That last bit is in the article is a big reason why me and so many of my friends and co-workers here feel betrayed by the rest of the country.

I guess there is truth to the saying "Time heals all wounds". See, this is why we have a NATIONAL election not based on POPULAR VOTE.
 
How can we, be accused of rubbing your noses in our winning, when you are rubbing our noses in your loss?

*(We in the general sense of Republicans. You in the general sense of Democrats.)
 
Originally posted by LoraJ
That last bit is in the article is a big reason why me and so many of my friends and co-workers here feel betrayed by the rest of the country.

I guess there is truth to the saying "Time heals all wounds". See, this is why we have a NATIONAL election not based on POPULAR VOTE.
 
Originally posted by dmadman43
I guess there is truth to the saying "Time heals all wounds". See, this is why we have a NATIONAL election not based on POPULAR VOTE.

And then there is that other saying; "Time wounds all heels". I won't expand on that, but those in "mourning" may want to take time to reflect. I allowed 24 hours but alas, that is all I could spare. ;)
 
Originally posted by dmadman43
Once the OP said she understood how suicide bombers felt, my sympathy for her went out the door. Feelings like that don't require sympathy, they require professional help. That was my advice.

Please tell me on which page of this thread that Babar, the OP, ever made such a comment. I saw it made by another poster but not the OP.
 
Originally posted by DawnCt1
And then there is that other saying; "Time wounds all heels". I won't expand on that, but those in "mourning" may want to take time to reflect. I allowed 24 hours but alas, that is all I could spare. ;)

You allowed? Oh thank you so very much. Remind me to kiss your ring.:rolleyes:
 














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