Song of the South/Splash Mountain

[goofyernmost]

What's all the legal smeggel about? If Disney doesn't want the DVD bootlegged than make it available. I hate laws that are set up just to protect the interests of a business. Supply, demand and pricing regulate whether or not something gets bootlegged. It may be illegal to copy it, but, since I have no way of knowing if it is authentic or not then, I don't really care. I hate having censorship thrust upon me in the name of commerce. If they want to send me to jail for buying a DVD, then they really ought to re-evaluate their priorities.

Disclaimer: The above statement reflects the opinion of my rightiously indignant side and is not necessarily the opinion of my law abiding, angelic side. They are constantly at odds with each other.

 

[glitterkittyy]

What's all the legal smeggel about? If Disney doesn't want the DVD bootlegged than make it available. I hate laws that are set up just to protect the interests of a business. Supply, demand and pricing regulate whether or not something gets bootlegged. It may be illegal to copy it, but, since I have no way of knowing if it is authentic or not then, I don't really care. I hate having censorship thrust upon me in the name of commerce. If they want to send me to jail for buying a DVD, then they really ought to re-evaluate their priorities.

Disclaimer: The above statement reflects the opinion of my rightiously indignant side and is not necessarily the opinion of my law abiding, angelic side. They are constantly at odds with each other.

I see things from a different view perhaps because my brother is a singer/songwriter (gospel music). I view copyright as a protection for the owner of the material. The one who should profit from a sale is the copyright holder. Buying a bootleg puts money into the pocket of those who did nothing more than copy someone else's hard work. I am as anti-censorship as they come. However, I am also anti-bootleg because it hurts the artists (or in this case, the corporation) and makes for an inferior product. JMHO because you asked. Not trying to be preachy or anything.

 

[Jennasis]

Also, James BAscket(Uncle Remus) was the first African-American to receive an oscar. ARe you kidding, the first to receive an oscar and Disney doesn't want you to know that either.

Actually, Hattie McDaniel of GWTW was the first African-American to win an Oscar.

 

[Todd&Copper]

Uncle Remus was the wisest character in the movie, and the villians were the rotten little redneck-inbred boys. Seriously, people get their panties in a bunch over the most ridiculous things.

 

[jeffbear]

Uncle Remus was the wisest character in the movie, and the villians were the rotten little redneck-inbred boys. Seriously, people get their panties in a bunch over the most ridiculous things.

And you NEVER hear "redneck-inbred" people complain about the thing. Just sayin ....

Seriously, we Southerners are ever amazed that our history causes people from other regions WAY more angst than we spend on it. Stuff happened. Get the story right and move on.

 

[daisax]

Chances are they'll remake it one day -- keep all the music, carry over as much as they can manage to work into the modern version, and outdo it with modern techniques.

In the meantime... the stories pre-dated the movie and stand on their own. Just like Snow White and Cinderella and Beauty and the Beast and The Little Mermaid and Pinocchio and Peter Pan and Winnie the Pooh.

 

[goofyernmost]

I see things from a different view perhaps because my brother is a singer/songwriter (gospel music). I view copyright as a protection for the owner of the material. The one who should profit from a sale is the copyright holder. Buying a bootleg puts money into the pocket of those who did nothing more than copy someone else's hard work. I am as anti-censorship as they come. However, I am also anti-bootleg because it hurts the artists (or in this case, the corporation) and makes for an inferior product. JMHO because you asked. Not trying to be preachy or anything.

My law abiding, angelic side understands that completely, but, in this case the "corporation" is not trying to profit. If they were trying to sell the "real" thing I would be in line with placards.

Instead, because of their fear that some might be offended they have taken it off the open market and deprived everyone of the opportunity to experience SotS. That is censorship and that is the part that I am opposed to and therefore supportive of the Bootleg version. At least, then I get a chance to decide for myself.

Hopefully, that explains my split personality on this topic.

 

[yaksack]

I saw it as a child and loved it.

I think Disney should sell it and put a warning label on it sensoring history.

If someone could send me a pm and tell me wehre to get a copy, I'd appreciate it.

 

[DisneyCatMom]

Like it or not, that was our history and the film many times showed the thinking of the time. However, the end, if you will allow me the comparison, depicted the black man far superior to the white crowd. If kids were not exposed to that bigoted way of thinking in their current experience, they will not even put any emphasis on some of the negative and if they did, and asked about it...what better opportunity will one ever have to confront and destroy the stereotype once and for all. No one ever learned any lessons that were hidden away. You bring them to the surface and then dispel them.[/QUOTE]

 

[inkkognito]

I hate political correctness; ignoring uncomfortable things doesn't make them go away. Better to use them as educational opportunities.

I grew up in an integrated city and thought that racism wasn't much of a problem anymore. One African-American friend told me it scared him to drive through certain parts of the south on vacation, and I thought he was exaggerating. Then I moved down south and discovered that he was right on the money...things aren't as harmonious as we would like to believe, and the more education that can be done to stop it, the better.

And what about other classes of people who are being discriminated against openly these days? I don't want to start a debate, but as an example, people face discrimination (often legally sanctioned) every day. A movie like "Song of the South" can be used to open discussion of racial issues and discrimination in general.

Let's quit trying to sanitize history and let's USE it instead to make sure it doesn't repeat itself.

Okay, stepping off soapbox now!

 

[Robo]

I saw it as a child and loved it.

I think Disney should sell it and put a warning label on it sensoring history.

If someone could send me a pm and tell me wehre to get a copy, I'd appreciate it.

HERE ya go.

Have at it.

 

[TDC Nala]

So why, in the few years pre-1992, would Disney theme a feature attraction with a 1946 story that is "too racist" for us to even watch these days?

This is but just one of the bizarre points I had about this ride when I rode it last week for the first time.

As far as I can tell there is nothing racist about the attraction itself. If anybody sees such a thing in it, that's a new one on me.

 

[MandyMaloo]

To this day, I know Uncle Remus is one of my most adored Disney Characters. I didn't look to much into it, but I know that my parents wanted to discuss anything with me before I noticed it for myself. I personally don't see any of that in the ride, but to be honest, I wasn't looking either. I just enjoy a good ride at a great park that will inevitably drench me .

 

[goofyernmost]

The character of Uncle Remus is not in the ride and even though they say that the ride is based on the movie "song of the south", it really isn't. It is based on the lessons of brer rabbit and friends, which happen to be included in Song of the South.

It is a tribute to those stories.

 

[eeyoresnr]

I saw it as a child and loved it...I bought it about 2 years ago and still love it! Splash Mountain is my favorite ride....just the music brings back wonderful memories of seeing the movie as a child

 

[Clotho]

And in that Al Gore gobal warming film (I forgot it's name) there's a sceen where he claims he's flying over Antartica inspecting the ice that used to be larger. But a reporter proved it was just footage from the movie Day After Tomorrow.

A little OT: Gore never claimed it was him flying over the glaciers. He said "If you were to fly over the glaciers in a helicopter, you would see they are 700 feet tall." and goes on to talk about the majesty of the glaciers.

I don't see anything wrong with using unreal footage to educate about real problems. After all, the Discover Channel and Animal Planet and others do this ALL the time. Audiences today demand spoon feeding, and if you aren't giving them imagery to go along with the facts, the tune out. So they used some compelling imagery to keep the audience interest while they delivered their message. I don't see how that ONE thing negates the very real and important message of that entire documentary.

A little YouTube to see for yourself and decide for yourself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FfiCP0qGPQ


On Topic: I think the issue here for Disney is that they sell everything about a movie: they sell characters, they sell stories, and they merchandise everything. They sell these "ideas" to kids. And they don't want to sell the ideas that may be portrayed in this movie, not in this day and age. History it may be, but they can't *sell* it, all of it. And they would surely get a lot a lot a lot of negative pushback after all this time of NOT releasing it for reasons of it not being PC...then what happens when they do release it? Without the right spin doctors on the case, it could be a political nightmare for Disney.

I agree that I think it would be great including extras and info about when it was made, why it was made, etc, as edutainment, which Disney is great at. But racism is a sticky widget, and maybe they don't want to put their foot in it just now...

 

[disneyjunkie]

Seriously, we Southerners are ever amazed that our history causes people from other regions WAY more angst than we spend on it. Stuff happened. Get the story right and move on.

Not all southerners feel as you do. My family surely doesn't.

The character of Uncle Remus is not in the ride and even though they say that the ride is based on the movie "song of the south", it really isn't. It is based on the lessons of brer rabbit and friends, which happen to be included in Song of the South.

It is a tribute to those stories.

.I think they should remake the movie using just the animation. The cast isn't included in the ride, so they aren't needed for a movie based on the ride.
We have a few copies of the movie. Whenever I watch, I just fast forward to the animation. The rest of it really annoys me.

 

[centurythree]

Not all southerners feel as you do. My family surely doesn't.




.I think they should remake the movie using just the animation. The cast isn't included in the ride, so they aren't needed for a movie based on the ride.
We have a few copies of the movie. Whenever I watch, I just fast forward to the animation. The rest of it really annoys me.

I agree on both points.

I actually grew up with a read along book and audio with stories based only on the animated parts of the movie, as well as a few of the songs. Never missed the rest.

 

[Mike©]

Here's the link to get the DVD from the ad below this thread.

http://mysongofthesouth.com/hi_friend.htm

 

[SuperTink]

The movie (unlike BOAN and others) is not hateful, just ignorant. But it is also in many parts delightful, taken in context. I'm bi-racial, and I remember the movie fondly. Sure, there were parts that made me uncomfortable, but like I said, I never got a sense of malice, and that made a difference. And if I ever do see it again and watch with my kids, I'll be sure to provide educational commentary, just to set the record straight. I don't consider that too much of a drain--I actually would consider it worth it.