Some true facts regarding BWV & OKW room sizes

[Richyams]

Thanks for the research. I believe one thing no one found was that BWV dues were over 30% higher at one point.

But I must thank you for prompting the research.

I can now assuredly say: Bwv dues are 25% higher than OKW, the rooms are 25% smaller and the points are 25% higher.

Thanks.

 

[robinb]

I can now assuredly say: Bwv dues are 25% higher than OKW, the rooms are 25% smaller and the points are 25% higher.

Rich, that's a little too simplistic . As a OKW and BWV owner I can say:

• BWV dues are 22% higher.
• OKW rooms are, on average, 18.75% bigger.
• BWV rooms use, on average including SV and PV, 24.2% points.

 

[Richyams]

Who is now going to take the gauntlet and post that minor correction each and every time I post the 25% thing?

I will just have to do my research and find the years that BWV was 30% higher..

 

[EmptyNester]

Many may not believe this, but DH and I spent an entire week at OKW WITHOUT a car! We took to buses to the parks (and from there to other resorts) and the boat to DTD. I don't think we waited longer than fifteen minutes for any of the transportation. We visited the parks, we enjoyed wonderful dinners at Artist Point and Jiko, we strolled around the Boardwalk, visited Jellyrolls, enjoyed a show at the Comedy Warehouse - we had a great vacation! (And isn't that what really matters?)

We did the DVC tour while there; when we came home we purchased an OKW resale. It represents what WE happen to look for in vacation accommodations - a very comfortable, quiet place to unwind after a busy day (kinda like home )

We live in the country. We like it here; but, I know many people who wouldn't like the seclusion. Neither of us is "wrong"...To each his own, different strokes for different folks... (kinda like DVC. )

That said, I'd like to thank the opposing teams for the entertainment value of their posts (I find both amusing)

 

[PamOKW]

find the years that BWV was 30% higher..

Why?

Rich -- I wouldn't pursue the dues angle much longer. We could come out the losers on that one. I only have BWV #s since 2000. In 2000, the gap between BWV and OKW was $.86. In the next two years, that gap was narrowed to $.70. From 2000 to 2002, BWV dues went DOWN $.10 and OKW went UP $.06. We may reach the point of convergence soon.

 

[Peterd]

"I'm not exactly sure how a smaller room "feels" bigger, but it's probably because of the 3/4 size furniture it's outfitted with."

or the wasted space.... Ben have you stayed in a BW GV yet?

The BW GV wastes space on the Laundry room, which you could fit another small bath, or something else. The Okw GV wastes a lot of space like the 1 and 2 BRs there.

How does a "smaller" room feel bigger? Get a clue. How many closets do you need? The Okw GV sure bigger, but wasted wasted space. Have you ever entertained in one? The BW puts the space they have for good use. Our last trip, we probably had about 45 to 50 guests in the room. Couldn't do that at the Okw, why would 50 people be in a room at the Okw at night, to decide where they should drive to. A guest told me we had about 30 people on the balcony watching the fireworks one night, didn't notice it.

YES, it seems larger, they don't waste AS MUCH space on bathrooms, closets, and the other crap. So if you're talking entertaining or actual living space, yes the BW is larger, but who cares. Stay at the Okw, it's bigger and cheaper and you can drive to anywhere you want to, but don't drink and drive ok.

 

[ralphd]

Just request the secret VIP villa that is twice as large as the other villas.

ralphd

 

[DeeP]

Who is now going to take the gauntlet and post that minor correction each and every time I post the 25% thing?

Why can't you just post true facts???????????????? If you intend, and I am sure you do, to continue to post your tired old: % higher dues, etc, etc , then fill in the correct %, distinquish the % differences between the SV and PV and also the % difference between the different size units. I think it is sooooooo funny that the OKW GV that you ALWAYS stay in is only 5.5% larger than BWV and that is still a question since I used the higher sq footage number that was posted on Deb Willis site not the lower number that is posted here on the DIS, so it may be the BWV is the larger of the two if we use the DIS posted figures which has the BWV GV at 2,142 and OKW GV at 2,022! Since you are such a size sensitive, size hung up type of person this must be a real blow for you to only have a possible, at the most 5.5% difference.

BTW, what difference does it make what the dues were years ago, what bearing do they have on today and what people are paying today???? Makes absolutely no sense at all!

 

[Desperado]

"Why can't you just post true facts????????????????"

A clear track record of posting disshonest information has been established for some posters. The constant obsession with posting known incorrect info has elliminated all credibility. Thank you DeeP for your homework and demonstrating honesty with information you post. You have established a strong track record of credibility in the information you provide. Keep up the great work.

Nice post, Peterd. Well said.

 

[Richyams]

Thanks to you guys, we now have the true facts.

Do you think I am going to add all that superflous information. It is plenty accurate to say that dues are 25% higher, rooms are 25% smaller and points 25% higher, we all do now realize that this makes BWV dues 75% higher than OKW per sq ft per night.

I thank you guys again for prompting the research.

Would you guys feel better if I added: All numbers are accurate to within 5%????

I could even add this disclaimer:

Many people feel that the location of the BWV and the BW area itself make up for the dramatically higher dues, tiny units and rude point schedule.

 

[Cruelladeville]

Hey! There are a lot of us who don't think bathrooms and closets represent "wasted" space, and it's not nice to call something "crap" just because it isn't your viewpoint!! I am a BWV and BCV member, and I'm glad I bought there, but there are certain things that I care about, and they are NOT crap! Now, having stayed many times at both OKW and BWV I feel qualified to say that I thought you all lied when you said that OKW was so much larger--I stayed in a studio, and I was sadly disappointed. It took A LOT for my husband to convince me to go back to OKW to try a 1 bedroom--now, you're talking more space!! Wonderful closets! A whole room devoted to laundry!!!!!! Now, that's excitement! A view of men and their balls hitting my balcony--well, you can't have perfection, no matter where you stay. There are wonderful things about all the DVC resorts, don't knock it just because you don't happen to value those things that I value.

 

[DeeP]

Do you think I am going to add all that superflous information. It is plenty accurate to say that dues are 25% higher, rooms are 25% smaller and points 25% higher, we all do now realize that this makes BWV dues 75% higher than OKW per sq ft per night.

So sad, it has been shown the numbers are not correct not even within 5%, and the % difference is even much less than 25% if you take into account the differences that vary greatly between the room sizes, SV, PV, times of the year, etc. This is far from "superflous" it is quite necessary to get a true picture. But yet you continue to rant that your incorrect blanket statement is the truth. It is so sad that someone has to be so anal and refuse to admit the information they have posted over and over again is incorrect. Post whatever you want and others will just refute whatever misinformation that you post with accurate information. Maybe a disclaimer could be added to the posts that refute the false information such as: Many people feel the OKW larger 1 BR units, slightly lower dues and lower pts which varies greatly <,>according to the unit size and time of the year, are worth the trade off of being located far from all parks, having no deluxe resort amenities, 1 restaurant, 1 mode of transportation, no nighttime entertainment, remote location and a medicore pool.
No problem!

 

[Desperado]

"I thought you all lied when you said that OKW was so much larger-"

Sorry to here that false information posted here put a damper on your trip. There is an ongoing pattern of false information coming from a small minority of posters, one incidence of which Deep has demonstrated in this thread. I don't think what is important to you is crap either.

"There are wonderful things about all the DVC resorts, don't knock it just because you don't happen to value those things that I value."

Very well said.

 

[ez]

When we became dvc members a couple years ago, my best friend, who is very math minded, immediately had to calculate how much our purchase cost, per point or whatever, calculated over the 40+ years. She said, oh so you are paying x amount then, really. I was just like, I don't know, whatever, I don't need you to calculate numbers to make me feel good about my purchase, I just know my family is really enjoying it. This is how I feel about room sizes, dues, and point debates. Yes I do like accurate statistics and wish people wouldn't manipute them or whatnot to make them feel they got a better deal in their purchase. Really, I am mostly like, who cares????We stayed in a beautiful 2 bedroom at vero earlier this month. We are staying at BCV in Sept. We are staying in OKW this thanksgiving.Oh, yes, and we stayed at our home resort, bwv, earlier this year. We love all dvc has to offer, and I think thats what dvc is all about, Charlie Brown.

 

[trishy]

I'm very glad that the DVC resorts come in all shapes, sizes, atmospheres, locations - gosh, why would anyone want them all to be the same anyway. The fight over minute % differences is irrelevant - it just shows obvious hostility which is being vented here. Our family loves BWV in the summer, OKW in the winter and VWL any time of the year. The only thing in this thread that I found interesting was 30 people on the balcony Wooooaaaaaaaaaa That must have been some sight!

 

[ralphd]

I agree with Trishy that the only interesting thing in the thread is the ' 30 people on the balcony'.
The villa sizes have been posted numerous times.
Move on..............

ralphd

 

[robinb]

Desperado:

Maybe you should re-read what you said back in March on thread http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=1547585#post1547585

People can present opposing views and still be courteous. Too many people are describing problems in the quotes listed above for them to be ignored. What's the point of being a jerk?

{plonk} Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[dvcHammer]

what an amazing use of worthless math! A good way to improve your spreadsheet skills, but what, in the end, is the point of it all?

stay where you like, buy what you want, dont stay where you dont like, dont buy your points where you dont want to stay...

we own at BV, have stayed at OKW, may try AK soon, and we will not be packing a yardstick

 

[manning]

DvcHammer - I couldn't have said it better. The mrs and I chose based on our needs and wants. We did the best we knew how at the time and we aren't going to worry about it. Life is too short. Just enjoy it.

 

[Peterd]

A post by Cruella,
"Hey! There are a lot of us who don't think bathrooms and closets represent "wasted" space, and it's not nice to call something "crap" just because it isn't your viewpoint!! "

Cruella sorry if I offended, but I was answering the comment below.
"I find they FEEL more spacious than the OKW GV' The reply was:

"I'm not exactly sure how a smaller room "feels" bigger, but it's probably because of the 3/4 size furniture it's outfitted with."


I was trying to show how a room could be larger because of the wasted space in them, but another can be larger for entertaining, like the BW. We have tried to entertain at the Okw but you can't, the BW GV is definitely larger for entertaining purposes. The people that say it's so small, haven't paid the points, experienced it, entertained in it, or stayed in it. I love the extra space in the closets and washer/dryer areas, but was just trying to explain why the square footage comparisons are silly. Usable space.

Trish,
"The only thing in this thread that I found interesting was 30 people on the balcony Wooooaaaaaaaaaa That must have been some sight! "

I didn't really notice it, we take two of our good friends every trip, and one told me, did you Know we had over 30 on the balcony last night? We had close to 20 in the room at the same time. We were not counting, but you could have easily entertained another 30 or so comfortably. We had about 11 rooms and it was great, six balconies in the GV. Doing it again in Nov. The kids and the parents loved it. If you have the extra points, you have to try a BW GV for two weeks some time. Never worried about our dues statement, and the rooms were definitely better than any other GV options DVC offered on property.