Soarin' Line Cutter's

[JLS]

I am just amazed how MORALLY SUPERIOR people get on these Boards. Unbelievable. "Cutting" in line, IMO, means getting in line in front of people when you were never in that line before, so you are actually "cutting" in front of those people. If you have been in a standby line for an hour, and your child has to go to the bathroom, and you only had 10-15 minutes left until you are on the ride, and it makes you feel better about yourself to get your whole family out of line and then, after the bathroom, go to the end of the line and wait another hour, then good for you. But people who ask those around them if they can leave for the obvious reason and then rejoin the line politely a few minutes later have not cut in front of anyone. They were IN THE LINE. The people behind them never had any expectation that they would get to ride before you and your child did. This is completely different from getting into a line with one person ahead of you, and then all of a sudden a large group joins that person, shoving you behind all of those people who you were not previously behind.

 

[challada]

Well, the Happiest Place on Earth is that way because SUCKING all the Happiness right out of folks they minute they walk in the gates! LOL

I think it really is a perspective thing...with a large number of folks, we often found that people would squeeze in the middle of our group getting in line, forcing one of us to need to "catch up" to the rest or some of us to let others in front of us to "wait up" for the rest.

My personal favorite last week was the middle aged gentleman at the lobster buffet we went to...when our two young boys got plates to go around to the end of the buffet for the one thing they wanted (where there WAS no one waiting), this adult screamed and yelled at the children to bring them to tears. Even when I said something to him he continued ranting and raving and his lovely wife joined in. Other adults nearby even commented on how bad this adult was acting...but it doesn't negate the fact that my children will now always remember that. And, no, the lobster place did NOT run out of rolls before the big ape got there or by the time my boys did...what a surprise. Just as Disney will not run out of rides if I get there now or 5 minutes from now.

BTW...the movie runs at 5 minutes for Soaring...we always ask to cue to the front so we purposefully allow over 100 people to cue infront of us as we politely wait for the next run of the show.

 

[tlcintheberry]

I agree that this isn't a black and white issue. There are some gray areas here. I do not think that one person should be allowed to hold a place in line for a large group of adults or older kids. Having a 2 yr old however, I do know that sometimes it is better for the people around us if my husband stands in line with the other kids and I let her run around on the side. I also think that if I do this, I politely tell the person that I need to catch up with my husband. Of course, there have been many, "I need to go to the bathroom" cries while standing in line. I think the most annoying part for me would have been the shoving past without a word. If someone asks kindly, I'm very apt to say "no problem".

I agree, there are exceptions to all rules but when you just have person after person cutting , it makes me furious too and I am 4ft 11inches tall and weigh 100lbs and if someone is going to cut the line it is always in front of me. Do I get my feathers in an up roar? You bet!! All lil bit of me will open my big ole mouth and let them know how rude that is. Sorry but my mother taught me better than that and I would never cut the line just to be cutting b/c it is just not acceptable.

 

[Lorelai]

I am just amazed how MORALLY SUPERIOR people get on these Boards. Unbelievable. "Cutting" in line, IMO, means getting in line in front of people when you were never in that line before, so you are actually "cutting" in front of those people. If you have been in a standby line for an hour, and your child has to go to the bathroom, and you only had 10-15 minutes left until you are on the ride, and it makes you feel better about yourself to get your whole family out of line and then, after the bathroom, go to the end of the line and wait another hour, then good for you. But people who ask those around them if they can leave for the obvious reason and then rejoin the line politely a few minutes later have not cut in front of anyone. They were IN THE LINE. The people behind them never had any expectation that they would get to ride before you and your child did. This is completely different from getting into a line with one person ahead of you, and then all of a sudden a large group joins that person, shoving you behind all of those people who you were not previously behind.

Yes, I too think that there is a difference between a family already in line with one member leaving to bring a child to the bathroom vs. part of a family getting in line, and then having a group who was never there in the first place join them later on.

 

[Markstudy]

"Cutting" in line, IMO, means getting in line in front of people when you were never in that line before,

But people who ask those around them if they can leave for the obvious reason and then rejoin the line politely a few minutes later have not cut in front of anyone. They were IN THE LINE. QUOTE]

You make a very good point.

But it turns everyone into Judges. The other 50 people in line don't know who is cutting and who is coming back?

The reason rules work so well (like always stop at a stop sign) is that it keeps everyone else (who is sharing the same experiance) from having to guess what is going on.

 

[a*lil*bit*goofy]

I am just amazed how MORALLY SUPERIOR people get on these Boards. Unbelievable. "Cutting" in line, IMO, means getting in line in front of people when you were never in that line before, so you are actually "cutting" in front of those people. If you have been in a standby line for an hour, and your child has to go to the bathroom, and you only had 10-15 minutes left until you are on the ride, and it makes you feel better about yourself to get your whole family out of line and then, after the bathroom, go to the end of the line and wait another hour, then good for you. But people who ask those around them if they can leave for the obvious reason and then rejoin the line politely a few minutes later have not cut in front of anyone. They were IN THE LINE. The people behind them never had any expectation that they would get to ride before you and your child did. This is completely different from getting into a line with one person ahead of you, and then all of a sudden a large group joins that person, shoving you behind all of those people who you were not previously behind.

thanks. u said it better than i could

 

[a*lil*bit*goofy]

there will be someone who takes advantage regardless of the situation. I am just trying to convey to some of you that there can be reasons, legitimate. ..

I understand and enjoy the debate.

But I still feel that the the scammers, con artist, rude people, and cheats all use the bathroom loop-hole to make a joke out of waiting your turn.


What would you do if Disney did what Six Flags did and made line cutting for any reason against the rules, and added enforcement?[/QUOTE]

line cutting SHOULD be against the rules. Period. otherwise, why have a line?

but i still firmly believe that if u have already BEEN in line and have to leave, (and again giving benefit of the doubt those people would say 'excuse me, bathroom calls" rather than just abruptly leaving the line) and then rejoining your spot in line, is NOT cutting in.

but again, thats just my opinion!

 

[grimley1968]

I was at the football in Liverpool saturday and waiting in line outside the pub where I was meeting my Dad. While I was waiting there were four people who came up with children using the "child wants the toilet" routine. All were rebuffed. Except one. He, his son and his wife were there when he asked, and the man on the door said his wife could take the child in, as she set off the doorman stopped the husband and told him to wait outside for them. He then went on his mobile phone and told his wife to come out as he wasn't going to get in. We all had to wait in the cold outside, but he felt above that.

What would you do if Disney did what Six Flags did and made line cutting for any reason against the rules, and added enforcement?

Cheer!

I realize there are exceptions to rules, but the number of people I've seen actively cutting in line FAR, FAR exceed the numbers of people I've seen taking their kids to the potty in the middle of a line after waiting a long time. We've been to WDW when our girls were 8 mos, 18 mos, 2,3,4,5 and now 6 years old, and have never once tried to hold our place in line to take one of our DDs to the potty. We always just assumed it was just too bad and we either did something else or got in the back of the line. I think a little enforcement by WDW would be great. It's glaringly obvious who the line cutters are in most situations. If there are truly exceptions, then enforcers could make those exceptions for people who truly need them. I hate that line cutting guests currently put the onus of either enforcing common sense behavior, or waiting extra time to allow the line cutting, on other guests.

 

[kellyanne731]

I am never rude or confrontational about this, but I do tend to keep both hands on the rails when in line, so that if somebody wants to push past me they have to actually push past, or look me in teh eye and ask me to move, which gives them a chance to justify why they are more deserving of the front place than me.
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DF and I do the same thing. Neither of us is large, but we tend to "expand" when we're in line. So if you want to get past us, you have to address us. For me, like a lot of the other posters, it has to do with "the gray area." If someone politely asks to get by, or has to make an emergency potty break, I'm much more inclined to move aside nicely.

After all, I try to remember that I'm on vacation with the man I love, and try not to let too much bother me.

However, if someone's rude and pushes me, I do push back (figuratively).

And as for the elderly women cutting the line, they aren't entitled to ANYTHING!! Age, sex, race. None of that entitles anyone to special treatment. They were simply rude and disrespectful. I wouldn't have let them through at all. And I would have had a polite, condescending smile on my face the whole time.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

What would you do if Disney did what Six Flags did and made line cutting for any reason against the rules, and added enforcement?

Follow the rules. But I'd still let mom and kid that I know went out from in front of me come back through and not say anything about it. But our nearestl Six Flags had to put that in. They had groups of teens that simply cut, didn't care, and just shoved people aside. It was a bad problem. They had to do something about it at that point. From what I observed at Disney, they weren't nearly at that point. Are they in mid-summer at that point do you think?

 

[grimley1968]

Follow the rules. But I'd still let mom and kid that I know went out from in front of me come back through and not say anything about it. But our nearestl Six Flags had to put that in. They had groups of teens that simply cut, didn't care, and just shoved people aside. It was a bad problem. They had to do something about it at that point. From what I observed at Disney, they weren't nearly at that point. Are they in mid-summer at that point do you think?

Unfortunately, I think Disney has reached this point. I think some enforcement of common sense is needed. Again, there are exceptions, and I think quickly getting out of line to use the potty with a little one and getting back in the same spot is one of them. But if there was enforcement, this would not be an issue, since that person could be keeping an eye out for things like this.

I think line cutting of the pushing and sneaking aside type has grown worse in the last few years and needs to be curbed. It's unfair to put that burden on rule-obeying guests, IMHO, though. It'd be better with some kind of enforcement. I don't know about kicking people out of the park entirely. I think forcing offenders to the back of a line is enforcement enough.

 

[tinklovesme]

Respect and kindness are a two way street. I think some people forget that and just expect things without thinking.

 

[Markstudy]

And Diseny only needs staff at a few rides.

Most of the old lines are very hard to push past other guest.

Soaring is the hot ride and I have no idea why they made the line wide enough for 3 wheel chairs at a time

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

And as for the elderly women cutting the line, they aren't entitled to ANYTHING!! Age, sex, race. None of that entitles anyone to special treatment. They were simply rude and disrespectful. I wouldn't have let them through at all. And I would have had a polite, condescending smile on my face the whole time.

Edit. whoops. Sorry. I forgot to put the top half in quotes. It's not originally mine. I see someone quoted it as mine but it isn't. But hey, that plagiarism might get me a blogger job with the new Wapo blogs.

Here here!!! And when they demanded special treatment, I'd have just smiled and said something like, "Why I did give you special respect because you're a senior citizen. I didn't give you a depends wedgie for cutting in front of this fine Woman now behind you in line did i? What more do you want?"

 

[Pedler]

I think I know what the real problem is, people are spending too much time in lines. I just finished reading this and people are talking about spending 30 minutes, 40 minutes or even, God help us, an hour in line. Forget the line cutters and start using touring plans or TGM to avoid the lines.

Why wait more than 15 minutes for a ride even during the peak seasons is beyond me.

Seriously I do see why you can't have the Disney police patroling this. While I am in general against line cutters., (And for baseball, apple pie and the American way ) There are clearly exceptions. For the family that has inexplicably waited 30 plus minutes (Did I mention TGM yet?) and suddently jr anounces they have to go now I have a lot of sympathy. I guess if it is someone that had to leave the line and came back then I am OK with it. If it someone that is joining the party that was never in the line they that I have an issue with.

Still, to avoid all this unpleasantness I still suggest working on plans to avoid the lines. (Hmmm... did I say that enough times. )

 

[Pedler]

And as for the elderly women cutting the line, they aren't entitled to ANYTHING!! Age, sex, race. None of that entitles anyone to special treatment. They were simply rude and disrespectful. I wouldn't have let them through at all. And I would have had a polite, condescending smile on my face the whole time.
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I agree totally. I don't understand how something that is considered bad behavior for someone under 60 is considered acceptable for the 60+ crowd. Talk about an entitlement mentality . (FYI I am talking about the able seniors) It is not like just because you managed to have the biology and good luck to live past 60 you suddenly get to engage in rude and otherwise unacceptable behavior.

On the flip side if it the case that when you hit a certain age normal social graces go out the door can we get that age lowered so I can participate in it sooner?

 

[teachingmykids]

I was sitting outside Thunder Mtn. and saw 7 teenage boys, one in a wheel chair, exit the ride. The wheel chair kid hopped up, another boy took his place and the gang proceeded to the entrance where the whole "group" was allowed on since they were with the wheel chair. Amazing......

 

[kellyanne731]

I agree totally. I don't understand how something that is considered bad behavior for someone under 60 is considered acceptable for the 60+ crowd. Talk about an entitlement mentality . (FYI I am talking about the able seniors) It is not like just because you managed to have the biology and good luck to live past 60 you suddenly get to engage in rude and otherwise unacceptable behavior.

On the flip side if it the case that when you hit a certain age normal social graces go out the door can we get that age lowered so I can participate in it sooner?

I just have to say that the "as for the elderly women" comment was mine from pg 6.

It's the first time I've posted something in a debate that people agree with, so I need to take my credit.

But I am glad that I'm not getting flamed for it. Didn't know which way it would go.

 

[Gonz Of Lancashire]

I was sitting outside Thunder Mtn. and saw 7 teenage boys, one in a wheel chair, exit the ride. The wheel chair kid hopped up, another boy took his place and the gang proceeded to the entrance where the whole "group" was allowed on since they were with the wheel chair. Amazing......

I've noticed there is quite a lot of people who are walking normally going to the front of the queue, but with the walking stick in there hand for added effect. Also, why are ridiculously fat* people allowed to the front too? Are they being rewarded for over eating?

*political correctness is not recognised in my house.

 

[Gonz Of Lancashire]

But I am glad that I'm not getting flamed for it. Didn't know which way it would go.

That comment about the elderley is outrageous











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